FCP X vs SE2

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Just watched a webinar preview and learned that Final Cut Pro X is not based on Quicktime, will not support log and capture as tape does not have metadata. It supports multiple sequences, similar to SE sub-projects. It has clip markers. It allows for clip connection and the timeline has no hard fixed tracks. Storyboards are available within complex clips. Sequence duration adjustments can be done with speed ramps. Subframe timeline accuracy is used for audio clips. Built in colour correction and automated colour balancing upon intake. Titling with animation.
So far it seems that SpeedEdit does most of this, except for the timeline accuracy, metadata organization and 64bit. FCPX does look nice though ... if you have a Mac. Apple expects to sell a few million copies in the first year and it is meant to use along with FCP7 and not replace it.
Newtek has obviously been ahead of developing some of these ideas. Apple is putting it's resources to marketing and expanding on the direction. Newtek could ride this wave for those on a Windows computer if they focus their marketing team on SpeedEdit.
 
Wow, that is amazing. Not Quick Time huh? I've been bragging about the no fixed tracks on the timeline in SpeedEdit/VT for years. They really are mining NewTek for ideas!
 
i've been watching the final cut x webinar video. it sure looks good. except for the part where you have to buy a mac to use it.
 
It appears to me that Apple are aiming this at the digital SLR market and turning FCP X into a mass market product for $399 bucks it's cheap ?
 
digiview said:
and turning FCP X into a mass market product for $399 bucks it's cheap ?
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I can't see how Apple can turn it into a mass market product, since that would mean extending their software to non Apple customers and I don't see them doing that in my lifetime. So it'll always be a niche product.
 
Even if it is only for those with a Mac, they are still expecting to sell a few million. It is priced ($299) to be affordable to most of their cult. :jester:

I would call that mass marketing.
 
donx said:
Even if it is only for those with a Mac, they are still expecting to sell a few million. It is priced ($299) to be affordable to most of their cult. :jester:

I would call that mass marketing.
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That depends on your understanding of market size and market share.
 
A million is much bigger than Newtek's market share and Apple is talking about closer to 5 million.
:eek:ye:
It takes a lot of promotion and marketing.... which Newtek is learning through promotion of Tricaster.
It takes a price point that makes for a casual purchase.... $1000 for SpeedEdit seems a bit too expensive.
It's a pity that all of those people that experience Newteks advert blitz and can't justify spending $40k on video gear, don't have the option of walking away with an inexpensive copy of Newtek's other product... SpeedEdit.
Newtek should become more of an opportunist and get these folks to buy something while they have their attention. :seicon:
 
Again, Apple has caught up to some of the features that SE has had for years (e.g. background rendering), and probably improved up many others...It will be interesting to see how the "old-dog-slow" editing speed of FCP matches up to SE.

SE should be being marketed as an entry-level branding application for NewTek. I would guess that the numbers of people (outside of the Tricaster crowd?) using it is a miniscule percentage of the NLE market, consumers and otherwise (VERY few pro editors know about it).
 
Move on it

This could be a good time for Newtek to make a move to get SE out to the pros...Most of pros seem not to like what Apple did with Final Cut X.
The folks that use tape import and export feel abandoned because this app was really made just for card based footage. If Newtek would add batch capture to SE maybe they could get some new users who now feel that Apple sold them out.
 
I was about to buy FCP X for a mere $300 until I found out it needs the latest video card which would be another $300. Then there is the $50 application for rendering different formats (but not AVI) also Motion app for titling and keyframe effects for another $50.
I have not figured out a workflow for using SE in conjunction with FCP X. AVI and MOV are living in different realms. SE doesn't create good MOV and FCP doesn't create AVI.

I hope Newtek keeps upgrading and improving SE.

I sit and wait for more reviews to come in about FCP X before making the leap
 
Our editors at work just got Final cut pro x and it is a really really big dissapointment...not made with professional editors in mind at all.

I will definitely be editing my next project coming up in speed edit 2..I hope it can handle the canon 5D footage well enough. Its really too bad that Newtek doesn't have more resources to use on speededit too go along with the Tricaster development...now really would be a good oppurtunity to grab the attention of a lot of dissapointed final cut users.

this will be my first serious HD project in speededit 2 and I'm interested to how well it handles it.
 
interesting how many complaints on FCP x... I downloaded it and i have an 2008 intel 8 core with a gforce 8800. seems to work very well.... I can scrub Hd footage unlike i can in SE....I love SE mind you.... but the more i take the time to find things in FCPx the more i like it...
I suppose one thing would be nice is in and out points.... so far... I heard that they are going to be adding a few things to it in updates so we'll see.
I have not done a full project in it yet as far as out to Encore for making my DVDs... And using Motion to edit the DVEs and effects is really cool...
I know some complain probably because its not what they were thinking it would be but as it is its pretty nifty.....
PS. hopefully ill be saying that next week too!!!!
thanks, my 2 cents.
 
well playing with it helped a little more..a setting in the event library let me see the clip i wanted to set my in and out points frame by frame. the only thing i see is i cant type in a time code in and out.....
 
Thanks Rich.

Larry's blog was very informative. I'm no Apple fan (as some of you will attest) but I like to take an interest in what they're up to and FCP X (which I was never going to buy) has piqued my interest for a while.

So reading Larry's piece was a real eye opener.

So thanks again for the link.
 
What is ironic, or maybe not, is that in adopting some of SE's "features," FCP-X has moved closer to being a NON-Professional NLE, like SE.

Many features that pros rely on, and reasons why some moved to FCP rather than the non-pro SE, have allegedly been removed:

Assignable Audio/Video tracks, DVD Chapter markers and export, XML and EDL Import/Export, OMF support, Copy/Past clip attributes (a clumsy "Clip Inherit), PSD layers support, in/out timeline parameter marker export, output to tape, batch capture from tape (which was always more robust than VT-SE's ever was), multiple timelines per project.

Don't dream about Newtek moving SE into the Pro market. They never had that aspiration for SE, and never will. Not to diss the brilliant and innovative R&D staff at Newtek, but they don't have a background in traditional post-house workflows. The Newtek staff doesn't poll that niche, and this horse has been beaten to a pulp several times over, believe me.

FCP-X has taken not only some of Newtek's innovation, again, but is also seemingly taking on the same "market projections" philosophy.

What this "downgrading" of FCP-X means is that Apple can now cannibalize people that were using a "non-pro" NLE like SE, not the other way around, and THIS is what Newtek should be concerned with, not the Pro market, which they are not capable of getting. As this video indicates (link below), FCP-X is "iMovie" pro, and it would appear that Apple is turning their backs on the pros, going for the high-end online video trend, or people that see iPads as their final distribution destination.



Conan's Editors' Take on FCP-X
 
tmon said:
What is ironic, or maybe not, is that in adopting some of SE's "features," FCP-X has moved closer to being a NON-Professional NLE, like SE.

Many features that pros rely on, and reasons why some moved to FCP rather than the non-pro SE, have allegedly been removed:

Assignable Audio/Video tracks, DVD Chapter markers and export, XML and EDL Import/Export, OMF support, Copy/Past clip attributes (a clumsy "Clip Inherit), PSD layers support, in/out timeline parameter marker export, output to tape, batch capture from tape (which was always more robust than VT-SE's ever was), multiple timelines per project.

Don't dream about Newtek moving SE into the Pro market. They never had that aspiration for SE, and never will. Not to diss the brilliant and innovative R&D staff at Newtek, but they don't have a background in traditional post-house workflows. The Newtek staff doesn't poll that niche, and this horse has been beaten to a pulp several times over, believe me.

FCP-X has taken not only some of Newtek's innovation, again, but is also seemingly taking on the same "market projections" philosophy.

What this "downgrading" of FCP-X means is that Apple can now cannibalize people that were using a "non-pro" NLE like SE, not the other way around, and THIS is what Newtek should be concerned with, not the Pro market, which they are not capable of getting. As this video indicates (link below), FCP-X is "iMovie" pro, and it would appear that Apple is turning their backs on the pros, going for the high-end online video trend, or people that see iPads as their final distribution destination.



Conan's Editors' Take on FCP-X
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:) I was just going to post that Conan link myself, you beat me to it.
Newtek advertised the VT as a affordable "Studio in a Box" it had most of the pro features for a price that was thousands of dollars less than anything else out there. SE was a offshoot of the VT because we asked them to unbundle it from the VT card. I don't think that SE should be considered a non professional NLE, it should be looked at as a unfinished pro app. SE was designed for pros and not the consumer market. At this point Newtek has a opportunity to make SE into a app that is good for the pros and the video hobbyist, They can build word of mouth for the product using there new found Tricaster fame. Sell against Apple and Adobe- sell it for around $500.00 and make sure that it has everything a pro would need, don't try selling in pieces like Apple is trying to do with Final Cut X.
 
tmon said:
What is ironic, or maybe not, is that in adopting some of SE's "features," FCP-X has moved closer to being a NON-Professional NLE, like SE.

Many features that pros rely on, and reasons why some moved to FCP rather than the non-pro SE, have allegedly been removed:

Assignable Audio/Video tracks, DVD Chapter markers and export, XML and EDL Import/Export, OMF support, Copy/Past clip attributes (a clumsy "Clip Inherit), PSD layers support, in/out timeline parameter marker export, output to tape, batch capture from tape (which was always more robust than VT-SE's ever was), multiple timelines per project.

Don't dream about Newtek moving SE into the Pro market. They never had that aspiration for SE, and never will. Not to diss the brilliant and innovative R&D staff at Newtek, but they don't have a background in traditional post-house workflows. The Newtek staff doesn't poll that niche, and this horse has been beaten to a pulp several times over, believe me.

FCP-X has taken not only some of Newtek's innovation, again, but is also seemingly taking on the same "market projections" philosophy.

What this "downgrading" of FCP-X means is that Apple can now cannibalize people that were using a "non-pro" NLE like SE, not the other way around, and THIS is what Newtek should be concerned with, not the Pro market, which they are not capable of getting. As this video indicates (link below), FCP-X is "iMovie" pro, and it would appear that Apple is turning their backs on the pros, going for the high-end online video trend, or people that see iPads as their final distribution destination.



Conan's Editors' Take on FCP-X
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I probably shouldn't really comment on this since it may start a flaming war, but I feel I have to.

It REALLY irks me when people bandy around terms like 'Professional' this and 'non-professional' that. Because it seems to me that those people have a profound lack of understanding of what constitutes 'Professional'.

The only difference between a Professional and an Amateur (or non-professional to put it another more simplistic way) is one gets paid to do something and the other one doesn't.

So to say that SE is not a professional video editor and couldn't break into the 'professional' market, is probably one of the most idiotic things anyone could say.

I don't know of any industry where the tool itself is what makes you qualify as a professional. It's the person wielding that tool and their ability to get paid that makes that distinction. And to say dumb things like the above really 'Grinds My Gears'.

If it's said that SE doesn't have all or many of the features that a professional editor needs or would like incorporated and therefore is losing market share because of this neglect then fine. Point made and agreement is in the offing. But don't say SE is 'non-professional' software, because you don't go to the lengths of developing something and selling it for $1000 only to market it as non professional.

That's just idiotic.
 
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