to buy or not to buy syflex for Lightwave ?

mataori

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They say
Lightwave promotion:
Nodelock license: $US 200 per seat until March 2014.windows only.

I googled about syflex for Lightwave. But have not much and not the latest information.
 

Megalodon2.0

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Well, I've rarely used it, but when I did it worked just fine. And when I bought it the cost was over $1700 on sale. $200 is a steal. Although I don't know if they are continuing to develop it since apparently there weren't too many LW people interested enough to buy it at the regular price of $2200.
 

Greenlaw

Eat your peas.
Are they still developing Syflex for LightWave? If so, I'll check it out.

I bought a student license many years ago for about $250. It worked very well at the time when I was R&D-ing it for a project but it seemed like there was some limitation that sent me back to using ClothFX for production work (besides the high cost for the pro license, and the copy I owned being a non-commercial license I mean.) It was definitely faster than ClothFX but something about it made it less practical for many of the situations I faced on the job--sorry, I don't remember the details. Keep in mind, that was a very long time ago though--I don't even know if will work for LightWave 11.6.2.

I do remember that the license system was a little annoying--I had to keep reactivating it every time I wanted to run a test because it wouldn't remember the activation from a previous session. Very weird. Hopefully they changed or fixed that.

I did take an interest in Marvelous Designer for a while. This worked much better in my tests, except that you had to model all the 'cloth' material within the program. That was fine with me at my home studio but not as practical at my workplace.

I haven't done much cloth sim stuff lately except for animating hair guides using Bullet. Bullet cloth works great for long hair animations which I've used for a couple of projects in the past year. For fabric animations, I've used Bullet only for a few simple tests and it seems to work well--I haven't had a chance to prove it in production yet though. I'll probably use it for cloth on our next film after we finish our current film project.

G.
 
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hrgiger

I'm my Clone
I also had the student version and haven't used it for some time. I would also like to know if they've seen improvements. $200 is a great price though, I think that's what I paid for my student license.
 

Greenlaw

Eat your peas.
Just looked at the website--I see that it's now x64 bit and LW 11.6 compatible. Hmm...$200 is very tempting. I wish it wasn't still node locked though as I need to be able to move tools between my home workstation and laptop.

G.
 

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Just looked at the website--I see that it's now x64 bit and LW 11.6 compatible. Hmm...$200 is very tempting. I wish it wasn't still node locked though as I need to be able to move tools between my home workstation and laptop.

G.

It says "choose between a nodelock or floating license."

I wonder what they'll charge me to upgrade? ;)
 

Greenlaw

Eat your peas.
There's a contradiction on their site...on the Home page it says you can choose but if you click on the on the 'Order' page button it specifically states LightWave promotion: node-locked license. Either way, thought, it doesn't allow me to move the license between a workstation and a mobile computer.

G.
 

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There's a contradiction on their site...on the Home page it says you can choose but if you click on the on the 'Order' page button it specifically states LightWave promotion: node-locked license. Either way, thought, it doesn't allow me to move the license between a workstation and a mobile computer.

G.

I'd hold them to their world on their site - it does say CHOOSE - and with no difference in price. Since this is such a HUGE price reduction, I don't see why they'd give you any grief. I've already emailed them to see if I have to pay for the upgrade to 1.3. I'm hoping it's a free upgrade considering what I paid originally. ;)
 

jboudreau

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Does anyone know if Syflex would be better than just using Bullet - soft body dynamics? Can you do the same with bullet as you can do with syflex or is Syflex more advanced?

Also I just wrote a letter to Syflex asking them some questions. For example why they don't have any information, a demo, video etc regarding Syflex for lightwave. It's a fantastic promotion but the lack of information and horrible marketing makes it really hard for us lightwavers to decide whether to buy it or not. I also asked about the node locked vs floating. I will keep you posted with what I hear back

Thanks
Jason
 

Syflex is actually more limited than Bullet to my knowledge,

but syflex is faster. not sure how much more faster it is these days...

as for the final look / behavior, i think Syflex can work better at times for thin cloth.

says here Syflex does indeed support self-collision, though not sure how good / accurate...
http://www.syflex.biz/features.html

for limits like this, it might be better to use Bullet >
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_QLP08PNQo

another interesting test >
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS3vZxj_xLw
as you can see, nCloth is more realistic, while Syflex eliminates Jitter...

Syflex vs nCloth, might be a good read (note... from 2007..! )
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=560337

Syflex vs nCloth (2012...)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=968862

Syflex is more realistic than Bullet, which tends to look rubbery
ClothFX can actually produce realistic cloth, but a huge problem is the lack of self-collision and the jitter problem, so this unfortunatly leaves ClothFX out of the game in most cases...
 
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Marvelous Designer should be considered as well >


two things to note about MD though >
- it can jitter, usually it doesn't, but be aware...
- it's not a plugin, so you have to jump back and forth between LW and MD...
- making external objects interact with the cloth can be tricky
- a nice thing is that it also makes it easy to create cloth...
- another minus is that the cloth mesh resolution cannot be changed

- yet another minus... the price for MD went up... :/


soo.... maybe $200 for Syflex ain't that bad after all...
 
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vipvip242

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Hi,
thanks for this post and infos.
After hesitating (some minutes :) ), i've registered my copy of Syflex, and i've just one thing to tell: it is wonderfull: extremely fast, powerfull and simple to use... I would never imagine it would be so great !
i now have to learn more about but it is on my opinion a must have, at this price (150 euros in europe after conversion )...
Just one thing: be aware to install in in the SUUPORT/PLUGIN folder, otherwise it won't work .
Cheers
 

mataori

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I got Syflex. hmm,I need to cut down on drinking next month.
Anyway I'm testing ,good for now.But it seems not to work for subpatch cloth object.
I need to freeze it.
 

Greenlaw

Eat your peas.
After hesitating (some minutes :) ), i've registered my copy of Syflex, and i've just one thing to tell: it is wonderfull: extremely fast, powerfull and simple to use... I would never imagine it would be so great !

Thanks for the info! A couple of questions: Did you get the Float or Node Locked license? How does the Float system work? Can it work with a mobile computer? Is there any allowance for moving the node locked license?

Ugh...I wish I had known about this a month or so ago. At $200 I'm tempted to purchase now and ask questions later but I may have to back off because I've been putting aside money for certain deals I'm anticipating at NAB next week.

One day left in the sale. Will have to think about this and decide tonight. (I'm such a software junkie.) :p

G.
 
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vipvip242

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i've installed the nodelock version and it works well but sorry, didn't try the float licence...
For the power, my workstation is an intel 2600K @ 4.5gHz and Syflex is working like a charm with this: i gather with 2x~3x less power, it will be totally usuable in realtime for medium polys simulations.
After playing this afternoon with Syflex, i can confirm my first impression, even if there is sometimes some crashes but i've to learn deeper... hope they will follow updates and bug corrections.
one thing is sure, it is the right complement for bullets but they are not totally comparable, as Syflex has of course all to do real clothes ( nails etc )...
Speed is really fast and experimenting real-time tweaking for clothes/SB is now a reality, no more a dream :)
 
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GregMalick

New member
Hi,
thanks for this post and infos.
After hesitating (some minutes :) ), i've registered my copy of Syflex, and i've just one thing to tell: it is wonderfull: extremely fast, powerfull and simple to use... I would never imagine it would be so great !
i now have to learn more about but it is on my opinion a must have, at this price (150 euros in europe after conversion )...
Just one thing: be aware to install in in the SUUPORT/PLUGIN folder, otherwise it won't work .
Cheers
It says you can save the cache - but how can that be used elsewhere?
Can the cloth movement be captured with MDD?
If not how can that movement be brought into another program for rendering?
 

vipvip242

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Can the cloth movement be captured with MDD?
yes there is a cache option, i didn't try yet the MDD saving but it should work as the plugin is a fully integrated displacement plugin ( for example i saved a transformed LWO and the object was saved with syflex transformations )
 

Megalodon2.0

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Thanks for the info! A couple of questions: Did you get the Float or Node Locked license? How does the Float system work? Can it work with a mobile computer? Is there any allowance for moving the node locked license?

Ugh...I wish I had known about this a month or so ago. At $200 I'm tempted to purchase now and ask questions later but I may have to back off because I've been putting aside money for certain deals I'm anticipating at NAB next week.

One day left in the sale. Will have to think about this and decide tonight. (I'm such a software junkie.) :p

G.

I would just email Gerard at Syflex - he responded to my query from last night so I would bet you'll get your answer quick.

[email protected]
 
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