The Corona Virus

Marander

Active member
In Poland yesterday morning 20 infected, today morning 44 infected. First cases "imported" from Italy and Germany, now starting spreading... All school, kindergarten etc. is closed for two weeks. My company is preparing for remote work from monday.

Probably too late as the drastic increase will come in 2-3 weeks in Europe in my opinion. and the virus will be around for many months. Also closing school will expose elderly more since they might be the ones taking care of the kids.
 

Marander

Active member
Yeah, cold and flu season is a drag. The media seems to be stoking people up a bit. "Fear is the mind killer" Though if you are 90, or already dying, a cold or flu can be your body killer. Still that happens every year, circle of life and all. Don't worry.

Get informed. That is not flu and if it will spread like flu there will be a multitude of lethal cases. We're just at the beginning now.
 

prometheus

REBORN
Probably too late as the drastic increase will come in 2-3 weeks in Europe in my opinion. and the virus will be around for many months. Also closing school will expose elderly more since they might be the ones taking care of the kids.

I don´t agree on this, I think the risc of kids spreading the infection around Generally is far higher than elderly getting exposed to their specific kids, and if any family has a common sense of responisbility, if they see their kids being sick..they don´t let their elderly take care of the kids.

Now norway as denmark also decided to close the shools, sweden doesn´t ..which I feel is the wrong decision to take, the state epidemic expert just says...no need to close down unecessary..blah.
They will have a meeting with their nordic collegues, maybe they change their mind, I think they will have to do it anyway soon..so why not as soon as possible.

Our primeminister emphazises the importance of Everyones responsibility, to make sure if you are sick with these symtoms...don´t go out and meet others.
 

adrian

Audere-Est-Facere
Ireland has announced today that schools and colleges will be closed for two weeks, will the UK follow suit? I somehow doubt it but you never know. I work in a University with many foreign students (including a large contingent of Chinese) so it's really quite a surprise we haven't had an official case of it here yet.
 

raymondtrace

Founding member
Ireland has announced today that schools and colleges will be closed for two weeks, will the UK follow suit? I somehow doubt it but you never know. I work in a University with many foreign students (including a large contingent of Chinese) so it's really quite a surprise we haven't had an official case of it here yet.

Closing colleges/universities has its own risk, as most students must leave campus and travel to their homes in various parts of the world...offering more possibility for viral spread. I have a student on her way back home now. We're preparing a bed for her in the garage. There's no need to bring that viral risk into the home.

...Watch this interview with this infectious disease expert with Joe Rogan to get a better idea of the impending storm this virus will cause...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw

As a consumer of a lot of media on this topic, this interview is the most comprehensive. It's definitely worth a listen.
 
US just closed all passenger flights from most of the EU countries for 30 days.

Now I just have to question is that to protect the spread in the US or Europe? Or maybe it's to prevent both from intermingling? :D A growing number of Canadians returning from trips to the US recently tested positive so the spread it likely huge.

In my opinion the number of the cases that likely exist in the US is way higher than they currently have confirmed or estimate which is likely somewhat the same in Europe and even here in Canada.
 
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Marander

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... and if any family has a common sense of responisbility, if they see their kids being sick..they don´t let their elderly take care of the kids...
... , to make sure if you are sick with these symtoms...don´t go out and meet others.

Well that's the tricky thing here, most kids don't even show symptoms and even if there are symptoms, the virus has spread long before.

Sick with symptoms, that's too late. Just by breathing next to an infected person that has no symptoms for several days to come is enough to get infected.

I'm not saying closing schools or not is a good thing, that's a tricky situation and depends on each family situation.

But I would say it's too late for that. From what was seen in China (that is reluctant about providing info) we should have seen it coming. In the beginning our government followed every case of infection and ordered individual quarantine.

This while planes and trains arrive hourly with thousands of passengers from all over the world, about 70k employees come daily to work in our country from Italy while their health system is already collapsing.

Also, how long should schools be closed when experts say the virus will be around for several months? Same applies for restaurants, shops, travel / tourism, leisure and sport clubs, concerts etc. Many jobs and the world economic as a whole are at stake too. Tricky tricky...

We only hear officially tested cases, how many are infected without knowing it for one or two weeks we don't know.

It will affect our lifes in various ways for sure but just do the best you can for yourself and your environment without panic.
 
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prometheus

REBORN
Well that's the tricky thing here, most kids don't even show symptoms and even if there are symptoms, the virus has spread long before.

Sick with symptoms, that's too late. Just by breathing next to an infected person that has no symptoms for several days to come is enough to get infected.

I'm not saying closing schools or not is a good thing, that's a tricky situation and depends on each family situation.

But I would say it's too late for that. From what was seen in China (that is reluctant about providing info) we should have seen it coming. In the beginning our government followed every case of infection and ordered individual quarantine.

This while planes and trains arrive hourly with thousands of passengers from all over the world, about 70k employees come daily to work in our country from Italy while their health system is already collapsing.

Also, how long should schools be closed when experts say the virus will be around for several months? Same applies for restaurants, shops, travel / tourism, leisure and sport clubs, concerts etc. Many jobs and the world economic as a whole are at stake too. Tricky tricky...

We only hear officially tested cases, how many are infected without knowing it for one or two weeks we don't know.

It will affect our lifes in various ways for sure but just do the best you can for yourself and your environment without panic.

Yes it is tricky.
But as far as only breathing next to a person as you say as being enough, I dare to challenge if that is correct?
As I am aware of, it´s not airborne, and you would need sneezed particles landing on your skin and also put that in to yourself in the mouth or in the nose or in the eyes.
So really..just breathing next to an infected person? doubt that really, another story if the person actually sneezes or coughs so we get tiny water particles hitting you.
 
Yes it is tricky.
But as far as only breathing next to a person as you say as being enough, I dare to challenge if that is correct?
As I am aware of, it´s not airborne, and you would need sneezed particles landing on your skin and also put that in to yourself in the mouth or in the nose or in the eyes.
So really..just breathing next to an infected person? doubt that really, another story if the person actually sneezes or coughs so we get tiny water particles hitting you.

On the original interview I posted in this thread with Joe Rogan the virus reseacher in the interview says it is in fact mostly transferred through the air from what they are learning but from surfaces as well. It's a really long interview so I think it was in the long version of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw

It seems to be highly contagious and spreads at an exponential rate.
 

raymondtrace

Founding member
Yes it is tricky.
But as far as only breathing next to a person as you say as being enough, I dare to challenge if that is correct?
As I am aware of, it´s not airborne, and you would need sneezed particles landing on your skin and also put that in to yourself in the mouth or in the nose or in the eyes.
So really..just breathing next to an infected person? doubt that really, another story if the person actually sneezes or coughs so we get tiny water particles hitting you.

Do you have evidence that supports that? Even at this point, health organizations are not able to be certain of the transmission method: "COVID-19 is a new disease and we are still learning how it spreads" [ https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/transmission.html ]

The fact that this is spreading so quickly suggests it is airborne (or lingers well on surfaces). You cannot assume you are safe because you have not been around someone who is coughing or sneezing next to you. It is very possible for you to touch something that a person coughed or sneezed on hours ago...or as we're still learning, it is possible that it can be transferred by ordinary exhalation. Even ordinary exhalation carries particles.
 

prometheus

REBORN
Do you have evidence that supports that? Even at this point, health organizations are not able to be certain of the transmission method: "COVID-19 is a new disease and we are still learning how it spreads" [ https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/transmission.html ]

The fact that this is spreading so quickly suggests it is airborne (or lingers well on surfaces). You cannot assume you are safe because you have not been around someone who is coughing or sneezing next to you. It is very possible for you to touch something that a person coughed or sneezed on hours ago...or as we're still learning, it is possible that it can be transferred by ordinary exhalation. Even ordinary exhalation carries particles.

Nope..but I don´t think Maranders thesis about it had that backed up either, if he has he can of course correct me.
What I refer to is what our swedish experts says, the question is as you point out, if they really are competent to make such claimes.

I didn´t assume I was safe by touching something, I was solely talking about breathing contact.
What you say about touching something that a person coughed on?..I never said anything about that, so not sure why you bring that up..it´s declared even with swedish exports that it probably will infect you if you touch something that someone else has left slime on, I haven´t and are not arguing against that...but just breathing next to a person??
I think normal air particles with some humidity in them ...isn´t large enough to sustain the virus, coughing out larger particles or sneezing would.

An article..https://www.livescience.com/how-coronavirus-spreads.html

Unlike some extremely contagious pathogens, the virus is not thought to spread via smaller droplets that can remain airborne for long periods of time. Measles, for example, can live in the air for hours after an infected person coughs or sneezes. This is not currently believed to be the case for SARS-CoV-2.
he new coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 appears to be fairly easily spread. But the good news is that it's not among the most transmissible diseases out there.

The new coronavirus spreads mostly through person-to-person contact within about a 6-foot (1.8 meters) radius, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). People with COVID-19, which is the disease caused by the coronavirus, spread viral particles through coughing and sneezing. The particles can land in the mouths or noses of those nearby.

It might also be possible to catch SARS-CoV-2 by touching a surface where the virus has recently landed and then touching one's mouth, nose or eyes, but CDC officials believe this method of transmission is less common. Some coronaviruses can live on surfaces for days, but not much is known about the new coronavirus' ability to survive on surfaces. Fortunately, ethanol, hydrogen-peroxide or bleach-based cleaners are effective at killing those coronaviruses that do survive on surfaces.

 

prometheus

REBORN
On the original interview I posted in this thread with Joe Rogan the virus reseacher in the interview says it is in fact mostly transferred through the air from what they are learning but from surfaces as well. It's a really long interview so I think it was in the long version of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw

It seems to be highly contagious and spreads at an exponential rate.

Again...not airborne, transmitted through coffing and sneezing comfirmed...just by breathing next to you on the side..who knows, they still say it´s not airborne.
Either there is a lot of confusion, some are right some are wrong...or the experts simply do not know.

Nuke the entire site from orbit..only way to be sure.
 
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prometheus

REBORN
Article...
"Is coronavirus airborne like measles?

The jury is out. As of Thusday, it did not appear to be an airborne virus in the same vein as measles or chickenpox, said Luis Ostrosky, a professor and vice chairman of internal medicine at McGovern Medical School in Houston, Texas. “It’s a virus that travels in droplets. This is very good news. With an airborne virus, one person could infect the whole room.”

Now for the bad news: Airborne transmission is “plausible,” according to a study (that has not been peer reviewed) posted online this week from scientists at Princeton University, the University of California, Los Angeles and the National Institutes of Health. The researchers concluded that the virus could remain airborne for “up to 3 hours post aerosolization.”

In the meantime, officials recommend “social distancing” in public spaces. “You would need to touch contaminated secretions to become infected, or to be within six feet of a sick person who is coughing or sneezing,” Ostrosky said. “Studies have looked at how far spit and little droplets fly, and that’s the magic number.” Meeting in outdoor spaces, in theory, could give the virus less of a chance to spread."

Full article..
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/i...s-and-confirming-facts-of-covid-19-2020-03-12

Please don´t cough...
 
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