NEWTEK: Could you please get the author of LWCad to write a manual?

mdunakin

New member
Yeah, that's how I was going through things too.
You pretty much have to have the Numeric Window open,
or you truely will be lost even more then already.

If I come up with something, i.e. I have some extra time later tonight,
I'll try and post a short tutorial or something if and when
I get it wired a little bit more.
I know how most of the tools work already, just from messing around,
though a lot, if not most things that are in those GIFs, don't
actually match up to what you see on screen.

Like look at how he shows you all those Patterns displayed right in Modeler,
yet the only place I was able to see them was in a Presets window,
not right inside the actual modeling window.

............md :)

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cc3d

since Videoscape3D
lording myself? give me a break.

1) Follow the examples for each tool on their website

a). try what it shows you

2) Come up with a practicle excersie to use the tool

3) Try that until you figure it out.

There's your manual.

As for time playing the guessing game. You spent FOUR HOURS on it! Looks like you had some time there! Certainly more than I did!

And for my time, I've spent all I will on this pointless argument.

have anice day :)
 

mdunakin

New member
In otherwords, you didn't actually figure it out,
judging by your supposed steps there LOL

And this wasn't an argument.
It was a request for better info, which you just gave wasn't
any better then what came with the thing in the first place.
And you were the first one to start in with demeaning comments
to others who couldn't figure the thing out and you were
so briliant that you "were" able to figure it out.
Obviously, it looks like you haven't or you could've gave some better steps.

It's no biggie.
If you don't have anything "real" to contribute, then don't.
And you didn't.
So there ya go.

Someone here will post up something "usefull" soon enough.

And I'm glad that you are enjoying the thing.
I too plan on enjoying it later on.
As for my hours spent, it was spent trying to follow the tutorial,
not screwing around pressing buttons and guessing what steps
you take to do what, as that's what I'll end up having to do anyway.
In otherwords, it isn't so much I "won't" figure it out,
it was I was trying to see how THEY did things.
NOT how I might find a method to get the same job done.
And it's fine with me if you don't want to spend anymore time on this,
you haven't contributed anything but make out like everyone else is
an idiot if they didn't figure the thing out anyway and just
because they want an actual manual for the thing.

..............md :)

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Dellik

New member
mdunakin said:
Like look at how he shows you all those Patterns displayed right in Modeler,
yet the only place I was able to see them was in a Presets window,
not right inside the actual modeling window.
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For anyone else who's stuck on using the patterns this is how it works for me...
  1. Click LWCADext tab at the top.
  2. Click Pattern 2D Tool button in the menu.
  3. Drag the pattern out in one of the views with the left mouse button.
  4. Then click and hold on the L surrounded by a dashed circle at the bottom right of the pattern you just dragged out
  5. Now drag you mouse left or right and while ignoring the graphics which appear, see which text is selected by a box below the graphics. That is the pattern library you want to use. Let go of the mouse button when your choice is selected.
  6. Next click and hold the P button and this time look at the patterns while you drag your mouse left or right as this time your selecting which pattern you want to use. Let go of your mouse button once you've chosen one.
  7. The H & V buttons just flip the graphic either Horizontally or Vertically.

The Pattern 1D Tool works the same except you need to click & drag twice to display the pattern. Once you've messed around with it a while it should make more sense... i hope!
Sorry if my explanation is confusing, but that's how it works for me so i hope that helps a little.
 

mdunakin

New member
Oh no, Dellik, you made good sense :)
And thanx a zillion.
Currently, since I decided that the only way for me to figure any of this out,
was to open each GIF in Image Ready and look at each frame one at a time
while having Modeler open and then just struggle my way through untill I
figure it out and then I was going to post up my findings.
I still will of course, but now that someone good like you and Colin have
posted a couple of steps for us, I'm going to paste them into a text
file and post the file in a thread here with a link to the file.
And everytime anyone adds more info to this or any other page on this subject,
I'll add those to the text file as well and that way keep it up to
date and all on one simple download for everyone to just click on to
download the text and read up on what others are doing with LW-CAD.

Sound like a plan?
Does to me :)

So, I'll get that started and collect the
parts I've seen so far and put those in there.
After I get enough of them I'll try and organize them
as best I can to be in any catagories, if needed that is.
Later, if I have enough info and it seems like something doable,
I'll create a video out of the text showing a visual of the steps.

Anyway, thanx again, and I'm working my way through right now.

.................md :)

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Dellik

New member
Great idea to combine everything into one file.
Look forward to seeing any tutorials and hints and tips that might come out in the future as theres loads of stuff i dont really understand in it at the moment.

My memory is like a sieve so if you can include a large hammer in the file so i can make sure things are well and truly fixed in my head that would be great too! :D
 

LW_jackn

LW 8.3 User
mdunakin said:
I agree.
There was really no need for this kind of comment:
No good deed goes unpunished eh Newtek?

Well that's just tough... I'm free to make it, I stand behind it, so move on...

I wasn't talking to you anyway, Newtek reads these forums, and it was directed to them.

ciao!
 

BeeVee

ex-LightWave documentation
Hi all,

You can also use the presets window with LWCAD so you don't have the issue of the presets whizzing by too fast. To be honest, the LWCAD documentation is relatively complete, yes there may be steps missing in the tutorials provided, but I'm sure there will be other tutorials posted now that more people have access to the tools LWCAD provides.

B
 

Matt

Valiant NewTeKnight
I'm interested, to those who are requesting a manual, which aspects of the program would you like to see more documentation on, or is it just a general 'run-through all the tools' manual?

Matt
 

colkai

How Old? Really? Aww Heck
My personal take?
I feel many of the commands / usages are skimmed over.

Must admit though, have to mention to my boss we don't need documentation anymore, simply tell our new users our existing users didn't need docs for this release. :p ;)

Sorry, couldn't help myself. Hehe..
I think th eproblem is, previous users are CAD based people who sort of "get" the tool flow as is. However, with this (very sweet) offer from Newtek, a lot more people are going to be looking at this who aren't "au fait" with CAD style actions.
 

mdunakin

New member
Basically, what colkai just said, is about how it is, at least to me :)

I think I'll be able to get a lot of this thing figured out pretty soon,
I just haven't had much time to play with it since the first day I got it.
(been too busy with computer problems and still am, uhg)
But I opened up the GIFs in Image Ready and manually went through
each frame to see exactly what was going on in some of those
frames that he speeds right through, for whatever reason.
From looking at those and with some of the info so generously provided
by a few already, I think I can get the rest figured out soon enough.
What I want to do is piece together a visual (with screen shots) tutorial
that might help others out like myself who weren't able to get this thing
when they first get into it without all the headaches.

I think like Matt asked about, a basic run through that DOESN'T skip
any steps would be most wanted without having to spend any real
time with too many details, but enough to fill in the gaps.
Maybe something like that?

Gonna be gone today, thanx..................md :)

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tonybliss

The Arts are alive in me
Sorry to be rude but are you guys are retarded, yes the tutorials are not perfect, but you don't NEED a tutorial to figure out how to use basic straight foward tools, sasquatch maybe, ogo taiki maybe, LW CAD the program is straight foward and i was able to handle pefectly the tutorials. You ladies bitch about everything ... at the end of the day what would you say if NT just decided to do away with upgrade bundles as a result.
Like most of you i don't have time to try to figure out stuff because of deadlines but for the sanity of already stressed programmers, tech writers and marketing et al, experiment and STFU



Cheers ... and luv you all :D

below some pics based on both tutorials done in twenty minutes after browsing the tuts for the first time. Note that in order to create windows select the two faces and bridge(l) them.
 

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bryphi77

Banned
cgswami said:
Sorry to be rude but are you guys retarded, yes the tutorials are not perfect, but you don't NEED a tutorial to figure out how to use basic straight foward tools, sasquatch maybe, ogo taiki maybe, LW CAD the program is straight foward and i was able to handle pefectly the tutorials. You ladies bitch about everything ... at the end of the day what would you say if NT just decided to do away with upgrade bundles as a result.
Like most of you i don't have time to try to figure out stuff because of deadlines but for the sanity of already stressed programmers, tech writers, marketing et al experiment and STFU
Cheers ... and luv you all :D

You may have mastered lwcad but you certainly haven't mastered LW, from what I can see. I don't mind at all being insulted but at least make sure you have the work to back it up. You don't!

PS
I would much rather be retarded then have no talent.:)
 

mdunakin

New member
Cheers ... and luv you all
Oh yeah, you really showed the "love" there LOL
BTW, I had no problems with SAS Full or Lite at all.
Got right into with no problems at all.
Of course, both of those had actual manuals to go along with them,
like every other program that sells for $200 bucks or more.
But then, Sas seemed pretty self explanitory to me, but it isn't to others.
I don't call them retarded because they don't get it as well as I was able to though.

I'm so glad you were able to jump right in and use LW-CAD, but of course,
you like the others who "claim" to have mastered that thing in no time at all,
just sit there and name call everyone else, instead of contributing your
massive amount of knowlege with this plugin.
I guess it's because you all are so much farther above the rest of us
retards out here, it would be too much beneith you to come
down to our level and give a helping hand?
Thanx for "The Love" LOL

Typical...............md
P.S. I'm not refering to those who HAVE contributed, BTW,
just these few who think themselves better then the rest of us.

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richcz3

Looking forward to LW 14
After reading about this thread I decided to fire Modeler up.
I am not a CAD person. So I think if I was looking to make a building, I wouldn't know where to start, but for regular LW modeling these tools are very unique and a nice addition.

Like it has already been mentioned. Keep the Numeric Panel Open
For starters most of the Tools are self explanatory.

"Boolean 2D" and "Curve Knife" work with Splines are great.
These edits offer the Illustrator/Freehand feel to them.

Convert Curves
Turn Splines to Polys or Polys to Splines in a click and adjust their density.
Reduce the Curves in a transformed Poly by using Join Curves.
About the only drawback I see at the moment is Poly to Curves does not create a bezier type curve.

Now with a little more experimentation I can see how to fit this new tool set into my everyday modeling. Thanks NewTek. :thumbsup:
 

tonybliss

The Arts are alive in me
bryphi77 said:
You may have mastered lwcad but you certainly haven't mastered LW, from what I can see. I don't mind at all being insulted but at least make sure you have the work to back it up. You don't!

PS
I would much rather be retarded then have no talent.:)

What do you have to back up that statement, have you ever seen any of my work ??? The crowd animation tut, latest ik boost tut and the lw 8 rigging tut on the lw site are my writings, i have done work that you may not have seen, some of which i choose to post at spinquad. But its all good.
BTW I definitely do not think i am better than ANYONE (i have learnt and continue to learn from everyone here and spinquad), but i do believe that lw cad can be learnt to an efficient level with the docs provided. The pics i provided was ONLY to test the tools for the first time, not to show my so called mastery of a program that i have been using for two years. Vent your anger in your own four walls.

PS I would rather that you stay retarded and keep your opinions to yourself unless valid :devil:
 

tonybliss

The Arts are alive in me
THANK YOU NEWTEK FOR $800USD in usefull software and to that time many for the returns that i will continue to aquire from your flexiblity,

not yet perfect but evidence shows that its definitely going there !!

and again luv you guys and thanks for sharing knowledge ... even you too Bryphi77

CHEERS!
 

bryphi77

Banned
cgswami said:
What do you have to back up that statement, have you ever seen any of my work ??? The crowd animation tut, latest ik boost tut and the lw 8 rigging tut on the lw site are my writings, i have done work that you may not have seen, some of which i choose to post at spinquad. But its all good.
BTW I definitely do not think i am better than ANYONE (i have learnt and continue to learn from everyone here and spinquad), but i do believe that lw cad can be learnt to an efficient level with the docs provided. The pics i provided was ONLY to test the tools for the first time, not to show my so called mastery of a program that i have been using for two years. Vent your anger in your own four walls.

PS I would rather that you stay retarded and keep your opinions to yourself unless valid :devil:

I searched for your work here and SQ. Was not impressed at all and still ain't!
All I asked for was a manual if you don't need one that's great, but why do you feel it was your responsibility to call me a retard. I don't get "angry" I just state the truth.
 

tonybliss

The Arts are alive in me
mdunakin said:
Oh yeah, you really showed the "love" there LOL
BTW, I had no problems with SAS Full or Lite at all.
Got right into with no problems at all.
Of course, both of those had actual manuals to go along with them,
like every other program that sells for $200 bucks or more.
But then, Sas seemed pretty self explanitory to me, but it isn't to others.
I don't call them retarded because they don't get it as well as I was able to though.

I'm so glad you were able to jump right in and use LW-CAD, but of course,
you like the others who "claim" to have mastered that thing in no time at all,
just sit there and name call everyone else, instead of contributing your
massive amount of knowlege with this plugin.
I guess it's because you all are so much farther above the rest of us
retards out here, it would be too much beneith you to come
down to our level and give a helping hand?
Thanx for "The Love" LOL

Typical...............md
P.S. I'm not refering to those who HAVE contributed, BTW,
just these few who think themselves better then the rest of us.

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Sir ... to you and the rest i do humbly apoligise for the misunderstanding. 'Retards' are the whiners about everything and those who don't try(also those who make air headed assumptions :devil: )

YOU my good man have inspired me to write a detailed tutorial on using LW CAD to create a detailed 1 story flat with detailed doors and mouldings.
I appreciate your candor ...

currently writing.
 

tonybliss

The Arts are alive in me
bryphi77 said:
I searched for your work here and SQ. Was not impressed at all and still ain't!
All I asked for was a manual if you don't need one that's great, but why do you feel it was your responsibility to call me a retard. I don't get "angry" I just state the truth.

Well to you again thanks for your honesty I WILL grow as an artist ...
to your third sentence working on it.

Lastly, it was you that said that you would rather be retarded and have talent ... take your god**** pills with your enema ... proxima vez !!!

Cheers !!
 
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