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SBowie

'the write stuff'
A post in the TriCaster forum just reminded me of something I wanted to mention.

The four 8x8 audio routers provided for every audio source in VMC1 means you can set up one of the Aux mixes with enough discrete (mono) mix-minuses to properly supply not one but two VS-4000 systems 'listening' to a single NDI output. That's pretty darn cool (imagine what would be involved in doing that without NDI!)
 

blur494

New member
Note the twin 10Gb NICs. :)
Are the 10Gb NICs redundant, pass through or extra bandwidth for the box?

As for anyone wondering pricing this is what I got from sales
40K Mixing Console (2RU)
20K Control Sruface
7K Ingest (1RU)
9K Output (1RU)

Please correct me if it changes and I hope helps!
 

Brian Mirrlees

New member
Is the software compatible with existing AE versions, so that a production / project could be brought forward to the new platform?

Compatibility for use of existing Virtual Sets (layers / hot spots) ?

I cannot see any reference to on board graphics titling? Is Live Text still part of the new platform? If so, built-in or external stand alone instance?
 

SBowie

'the write stuff'
Is the software compatible with existing AE versions, so that a production / project could be brought forward to the new platform?
I think there's a better than fair possibility you could load an AE 4-0 session on a VMC1, but no-one here can guarantee that, Brian.

Compatibility for use of existing Virtual Sets (layers / hot spots) ?
Absolutely.

Is Live Text still part of the new platform? If so, built-in or external stand alone instance?
Same as TC (for now ... there may or may not be be some additional, more advanced, titling options later).
 

SBowie

'the write stuff'
Are the 10Gb NICs redundant, pass through or extra bandwidth for the box?
The latter. So you cold, for example, run one connection to a 10 gig switch with a bazillion NDI sources supplied to it, and use the other one for capture to a SAN (though there are a million other possible configurations).

9K Output (1RU)
I just want to mention that of the items you list, the VMC1 OUT unit is not shipping yet, and hardware details are still a little wee bit 'flexible' a this point.
 

kanep

NewTek SE
Are the 10Gb NICs redundant, pass through or extra bandwidth for the box?

As for anyone wondering pricing this is what I got from sales
40K Mixing Console (2RU)
20K Control Sruface
7K Ingest (1RU)
9K Output (1RU)

Please correct me if it changes and I hope helps!

I think a few are a bit off on price, in US list pricing (other parts of the world might vary).

VMC1 Mix Engine $39,995
VMC1 4S 4 Stripe control surface $19,995
VMC1 In $5,995
VMC1 Out $9,995 (not shipping yet)

There are also bundles available of different common configurations.

As always, contact your dealer or NewTek rep for more information. Do realize that the IP Series is a modular solution and you really should work a reseller that understands all of the parts of this system so you have a successful installation.
 
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GThomas

Member
I think a few are a bit off on price, in US list pricing (other parts of the world might vary).

VMC1 Mix Engine $39,995
VMC1 4S 4 Stripe control surface $19,995
VMC1 In $5,995
VMC1 Out $9,995 (not shipping yet)

There are also bundles available of different common configurations.

As always, contact your dealer or NewTek rep for more information. Do realize that the IP Series is a modular solution and you really should work a reseller that understands all of the parts of this system so you have a successful installation.

So, at $5995 for the VMC1 IN, why would one not buy a Tricaster Mini to ingest feeds into their existing Mini? I realize the In doesn't require advanced edition to be purchased, and that it's better designed for the task, but I'm just trying to make sure I make an informed purchase decision about Mini vs. IN. More or less devil's advocate here- I really do want to buy an IN not a Mini- but need to be sure I understand why we're buying it.
 

SBowie

'the write stuff'
More or less devil's advocate here- I really do want to buy an IN not a Mini- but need to be sure I understand why we're buying it.
A Mini with AE can certainly be an excellent solution in some settings, and also offers some obvious advantages well beyond that. To answer your question, though, the thing that VMC1 IN brings to the party (apart from it's rack-mount 1RU profile) is 4x 3G-SDI inputs (and the system resources to support them), which means 1080p60 support among other considerations. This will be an important value-added consideration in a VMC1 pipeline, or one where one can foresee going there in due course.
 

ACross

NewTek Engineering
A Mini with AE can certainly be an excellent solution in some settings, and also offers some obvious advantages well beyond that. To answer your question, though, the thing that VMC1 IN brings to the party (apart from it's rack-mount 1RU profile) is 4x 3G-SDI inputs (and the system resources to support them), which means 1080p60 support among other considerations. This will be an important value-added consideration in a VMC1 pipeline, or one where one can foresee going there in due course.

They are slightly different beasts. VMC1 in also has tally (passed up-stream over NDI), is SDI while MINI is HDMI, rack-mounted, supports full 3G, etc...

Andrew
 

AElli

New member
Taking it back one more step if the intent is to have a 4 port SDI to NDI converter, than a reasonable spec PC in a racked case running NDI connect pro could also suit.
 

kanep

NewTek SE
Taking it back one more step if the intent is to have a 4 port SDI to NDI converter, than a reasonable spec PC in a racked case running NDI connect pro could also suit.

Just be aware that while Connect Pro will let you build your own solution, the VMC1 In module also adds four channels of recording and external tally, which Connect Pro doesn't offer.
 

GThomas

Member
Just be aware that while Connect Pro will let you build your own solution, the VMC1 In module also adds four channels of recording and external tally, which Connect Pro doesn't offer.

Can you explain the recording channels? Does it just function like the Isocorder on the Tricaster but instead on the VMC1 IN?
 

SBowie

'the write stuff'
It's similar to NDI IsoCorder Pro. Basically, you can start and stop recording of any of the four incoming a/v channels (you can mix and match audio and video sources when configuring a channel, btw) all at one time or individually.
 

AElli

New member
Just be aware that while Connect Pro will let you build your own solution, the VMC1 In module also adds four channels of recording and external tally, which Connect Pro doesn't offer.

Kane, is that record to local storage within the 'in' box ? Or NAS ? Or maybe both ?
 

kanep

NewTek SE
Kane, is that record to local storage within the 'in' box ? Or NAS ? Or maybe both ?

The IN box has no storage inside (beyond a small boot drive). You can use the USB3 on the back of unit for recording, but in most cases I think you would be looking at a SAN/NAS as the target. One recording location can be set per video channel.
 

Zane Condren

Senior Integrated Production Specialist
The IN box has no storage inside (beyond a small boot drive). You can use the USB3 on the back of unit for recording, but in most cases I think you would be looking at a SAN/NAS as the target. One recording location can be set per video channel.

The VMC1 Input module has two NICs so one could be used to send NDI sources to your VMC1 Mix engine and one could be attached to a completely separate network for recording to Network attached storage.
 

AElli

New member
I'm still not seeing the whole thing here, I'm surly missing something?? NDI connect pro alongside ISO corder would do the same for much much less $$$$s, OK it doesn't have tally but as a standalone unit it doesn't seem to me to do more than what I'm already suggesting with NDI software already available, Instead of using the 'in' as a standalone sdi ndi workflow. Im not looking to be negative or give anyone a hard time but What am I missing ? What's the incentive to spend twice as much $$$$ for the same SDI NDI solution?..
 
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ACross

NewTek Engineering
The VMC1 Input module has two NICs so one could be used to send NDI sources to your VMC1 Mix engine and one could be attached to a completely separate network for recording to Network attached storage.

At a higher level, its important think think that when moving to IP video (in particular NDI since we considered this from day one, AIMS/ASPEN are not quite the same) that the ability to store all of your video sources at all times is something that you really can be doing. On VMC1 using input boxes it is entirely feasible to record a show that has 20-40 cameras and have all of that media stored. This obviously needs to be a SAN, but once you are in IP space you should be thinking that way anyway. The reason we built VMC1 IN so that it has recording is to help scale the concept of ISO Recording your entire show as part of a larger workflow ... something that has really never been possible in that space before.

Andrew
 

SBowie

'the write stuff'
To respond to the notion that you could buy Connect Pro, Isocorder Pro, a capture card and a pc (monitor, kb and mouse) for less money, I think it's possible someone could do that. You would always expect diy to be cheaper than a turnkey solution. That's why we offer the essential component separately.

But this assumes you get everything right the first time, aren't worried about esthetics, and really think that the effort involved has no value. In a lot of professional settings, broadcasters will take the other route, but there's nothing preventing the more adventurous soul from trying to save some $$ with sweat equity.
 
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