How to start a clip on 3play - automatically from Tricaster?

stijef

New member
Hi, after some time to bring up this thread. With new TC 860 AE updates, are there this feature available? To make a clip on 3play play on single button press on Tricaster Control Surface? If not, what would be simplest way to make it play... with two buttons maybe? Thanks for your contribution!
 

SBowie

'the write stuff'
Staff member
I believe you can do this with a macro, and that the process is covered in the Automation and Integration Guide.
 

stijef

New member
I believe you can do this with a macro, and that the process is covered in the Automation and Integration Guide.

Hm can u explain how it could be done? You remember dilema we had in this tooic and conclusion that is impossible to do that with sigle button press?
Now I have advanced edition and wonder if something changes...
 

kanep

NewTek SE
Here is a method that allows you to send commands from the TriCaster with AE2 (maybe AE1?) to a 3PLAY Mini/440/4800 system. This will work if the systems are connected via NDI or SDI. You will need to manually type these commands into the macro editor on your TriCaster (or IP Series!) system.

There is a bit of editing you need to do to make these work. In the first image, I underlined in red parts that need to be changed. The IP address (192.168.1.87) has to be changed to the correct IP address of your 3PLAY system (do this IP change on all command lines, not just the one that is underlined). The '50' value is the playback speed, change this to your desired playback speed.

Here are the commands to play the currently cued clip at 50% speed.
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The first command starts playback. If you only do this command you will get 100% speed playback on 3PLAY.
The second command set the playback speed to 50% (or change to any speed you want, you can go faster than 100%)

Here is the command to stop playback of the 3PLAY.
3P-Stop.png
This command will stop playback. Run the command once and it works like a pause, run the command twice and it will reset the clip back to the start. You could put this command in the macro twice with a small delay between them if you just want a single macro that performs a clip reset.

If is possible to send other commands using this method as well, in fact, anything that can be done via macro in 3PLAY can be controlled from the TriCaster using 'http_request'

Just to make is a bit easier, here is a cut and paste for one of those commands shown above.
http://192.168.1.87:5952/v1/shortcut?name=play&value=true
 
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stijef

New member
Thank Kane you are great member of the forum. Very helpfull!

So, using those commands I can have 3play start playing a clip with just one button press?
 

PIZAZZ

NewTek System Integrator
Thank Kane you are great member of the forum. Very helpfull!

So, using those commands I can have 3play start playing a clip with just one button press?

Keep in mind this may not work on older 3Play 425 units. Definitely not on the older antique 330.

It should work on the newer models like the 440 and 4800. Possibly on the 3Play mini but I cannot remember for sure.
 

SBowie

'the write stuff'
Staff member
The A&I Guide provides an example using the AirSend commands to do exactly this, using simple shortcuts in macros. I'm not at work this week, so can't test it to make sure it isn't busted, but if these simple methods aren't working just bug 'em and we'll get it fixed.
 

kanep

NewTek SE
Keep in mind this may not work on older 3Play 425 units. Definitely not on the older antique 330.

It should work on the newer models like the 440 and 4800. Possibly on the 3Play mini but I cannot remember for sure.

This definitely will not work on a 3Play 330/425/820 system.

Basically if your 3Play has macros then it will support this functionally. Again it also requires a TriCaster with AE2 (might work with AE1).
 

stijef

New member
(my 3play is 440)

I have set macro as you advised, typed url in browser on another computer and it really starts clip on 3play... :)
_but_ another crucial question is - how to set triggering of that macro, with pressing just one button on tricaster 860 AE? Can you print screen how you set it on your system, please?
 

kanep

NewTek SE
Well, you can't do with one button, but two on the control surface. Set a trigger to listen on the macro, then hold down the MACRO button on the CS and press another button along with it. Now to call the macro back, hold down MACRO and press that same button again.

If you set it to a keyboard key, XKeys unit or MIDI panel, then you could have single button access to the macro.
 

trejk

New member
Actually you can start macro with only one CS button, if you use a little imagination, but there is always some limitations.
If it is okay always to start a clip on 3play when you switch 3play to live, then you can use automation tab of input's (NET 1) configutation and set your macro to activate when NET1 goes to PGM.

With those automation macros you can also use M/E Row A or DSK to activate your macro so there may be a way to use M/E row A keys to activate your macro depending on how you use M/E:s in your setup or FX keys and DSK1 or DKS2 if you do not need both of them in your setup.
 

stijef

New member
Thanks!

I was looking at A&I guide and can't find command how to start both 3play's A and B outputs by macro. Or how to start one output one then select another and start that one too? How you can do that, can you please explain me? Will appreciate help!
 

stijef

New member
Do a quick search for AirSend ...

not sure do I see as real help. As said I was looking through A&I guide for a way how to select another output on 3play from Tricaster, but couldn't figure out how it should be done. After that decided to ask Kane who really helps me, or Juha/trejk or any other forum member willing to help me in this beginner stage, while I am rookie with macros...
 

SBowie

'the write stuff'
Staff member
not sure do I see as real help
Nevertheless, it's what I have time for. The section on AirSend is obscure enough to find that I thought you might have missed it. It provides 4 or 5 pages of explanation that I haven't got time to retype here, including a specific example of controlling 3Play.

The fact that I have been sick for a week, during which time I've had to take my wife to two doctors and three rather worrisome medical procedures have also reduced the amount of time I have available, but the fact is I don't always have time any more to write out a step by step tutorial for every question that arises. I think my post count demonstrates that over the years I've done my little bit, but at times my circumstances and duties prevent me doing more, so I'm equally glad for members like Kane, who can often go the extra mile.

I think, assuming it's still working, the example given in the A&I Guide offers another potentially simpler approach, but I may be wrong, it may be busted, and you're under no compulsion to work it out in any case.
 

stijef

New member
Merry Christmas everyone! : -) Steve hope your private situation goes to better.

In meantime, I still struggling (have no clue) how to select another output on 3play 440 from macro on tricaster 860 AE. Juha, Kane, Steve, anybody other - you do that? setting it like this is not working

What to add in the string to be able to select output 1 or output 2? - http://192.168.1.87:5952/v1/shortcut?name=play&value=true&variable_name=value???

none from this is not working also, so I am stuck :-(
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kanep

NewTek SE
I"ll admit explaining how to format commands using the HTTP method takes some practice and is much easier to do in person. I teach people how to do this in my NewTek Automation Master Class.

To change outputs you need to use the 'output' shortcut.

The http_request value field would be.

http://192.168.1.87:5952/v1/shortcut?name=output&value=0

A value of '0' is output A and a value of '1' is output B.

Also, here are a few commands that might also be helpful.

The macro commands 'prev_play' and 'prog_play' allow you to start 100% playback in a channel of 3PLAY without having to select the output first. This allows you to trigger playback a channel while the 3PLAY operator can continue to use the other channel uninterrupted.

Play A channel: http://192.168.1.87:5952/v1/shortcut?name=prev_play
Play B channel: http://192.168.1.87:5952/v1/shortcut?name=prog_play
 
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ASD20

New member
I was able to successfully setup a macro on my TC 8000 to control playback on my 3Play 4800. However, I haven't been able to find the command lines that would allow me to create a clip on the 3Play, select it from a certain angle and freeze it on the first frame for playback. The main part I can't find is how to create a clip, just like marking out on the 3play. With the macro I had yesterday, it would start playing the video from the 10 seconds prior that I had set. However, I couldn't go onto the 3play and click on a clip for future use. Any help on that part would be appreciated.

I would then create a second macro that would run my replay animation and start playback of the clip. I don't have any problems creating that macro.
 

stijef

New member
Dear Kane, SBowie, all others


An old post but do you maybe know how to „recognize“ the clip on 3play has finished i.e. to use that event as a trigger for a macro on Tricaster?

You know, once a clip has reached its end I want to get automatically back to program. But not sure is there a signal 3Play sends to TC notifying the system about that. If yes, based on that information macro that has called 3play to play can continue with next rows (in my case automatically trigger „take“ i.e. return to live program).

Macro I've created until now is attached with this post, so, will appreciate your help to fill that blue colored row. Thank you!


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I"ll admit explaining how to format commands using the HTTP method takes some practice and is much easier to do in person. I teach people how to do this in my NewTek Automation Master Class.

To change outputs you need to use the 'output' shortcut.

The http_request value field would be.

http://192.168.1.87:5952/v1/shortcut?name=output&value=0

A value of '0' is output A and a value of '1' is output B.

Also, here are a few commands that might also be helpful.

The macro commands 'prev_play' and 'prog_play' allow you to start 100% playback in a channel of 3PLAY without having to select the output first. This allows you to trigger playback a channel while the 3PLAY operator can continue to use the other channel uninterrupted.

Play A channel: http://192.168.1.87:5952/v1/shortcut?name=prev_play
Play B channel: http://192.168.1.87:5952/v1/shortcut?name=prog_play
 
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kanep

NewTek SE
Dear Kane, SBowie, all others


An old post but do you maybe know how to „recognize“ the clip on 3play has finished i.e. to use that event as a trigger for a macro on Tricaster?

You know, once a clip has reached its end I want to get automatically back to program. But not sure is there a signal 3Play sends to TC notifying the system about that. If yes, based on that information macro that has called 3play to play can continue with next rows (in my case automatically trigger „take“ i.e. return to live program).


There is not a command that will be called when the end of the clip has been reached on the 3PLAY. If you are doing 1 button marking on the 3PLAY and your clips are of consistent length, you could time this out in the macro.
 
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