Control for PTZ

kracklow

New member
Can these new PTZ cameras be controlled with the Tricaster? The site mentions web interface for control is there a actual control surface available?
 

Zane Condren

Senior Integrated Production Specialist
Yes, you have full control of the camera via the PTZ functionality in the TriCaster. The joystick on any of the control surfaces can be used for manual control and preset recall.
 
Last edited:

kracklow

New member
Test, you have full control of the camera via the PTZ functionality in the TriCaster. The joystick on any of the control surfaces can be used for manual control and preset recall.

Sounds awesome, thanks! We will be taking a good look at these when they are available.
 

eracer

Newtek Elite Partner
I get the control aspect. But what about video/audio? Can a TC Mini with AE see video/audio (4 NewTek NDI PTZ cameras) over NDI?
 

Zane Condren

Senior Integrated Production Specialist
A Mini with Advanced Edition can bring in 4 NDI PTZ Cameras. If you are on standard edition you are limited to bring in the cameras via the 2 net inputs.
 

MartinB

New member
Hello,
Apart from controlling the camera from Newtek switchers, are there any other control methods available? I have many customers using Panasonic remote camera control panels...
Martin
 

SBowie

'the write stuff'
Apart from controlling the camera from Newtek switchers, are there any other control methods available? I have many customers using Panasonic remote camera control panels.Martin
Panasonic controllers like the RP50 and RP120 don't currently support a simple NDI control configuration the way our gear and apps do, but they can use Visca over a network connection. I haven't tested this, but I suspect that if you plug in the appropriate values on the surface, it might well work. You might need to use the remote control and OSD to configure the camera to use Visca over the network.

I think in the fullness of time, it will behoove Panasonic to consider adding direct NDI control support. It would make sense since they are offering NDI cams ...

In the meantime, not that not only can you use a mouse to control a camera in the new Studio Monitor application, it also supports Windows joysticks, as for example a game controller. This is pretty cool, inexpensive, and can be wireless to boot.
 

fonze

New member
it will behoove Panasonic to consider adding direct NDI control support. It would make sense since they are offering NDI cams ...

Can we apply that to NewTek also? I'll run out right now and buy a handful of NewTek PTZ NDI cameras if an NDI hardware controller were available. Any suggestions?

It would GREATLY benefit more than a few of us for NewTek to release a dedicated hardware NDI controller for these NewTek cameras. I can't always control the TriCaster AND the cameras at the same time so I'll have an operator for the PTZ cameras - and having a tactile controller often provides much smoother control than laptop-only screen buttons.
 

Radio_TVPat1982

New member
Yes, you have full control of the camera via the PTZ functionality in the TriCaster. The joystick on any of the control surfaces can be used for manual control and preset recall.

I wanted to verify something along these lines. I have a PTZ and I am currently able to control it from within the Tricaster. I wanted to know if I were to get a X-Keys Joy Stick would that also work? If so, how hard would that be to program macros for?

I dont own a recent Newtek control surface. Not one with a joy stick attached.
 

SBowie

'the write stuff'
Can we apply that to NewTek also? I'll run out right now and buy a handful of NewTek PTZ NDI cameras if an NDI hardware controller were available. Any suggestions?.
Of course NewTek NDI cameras (and Pansonic ones with NDI support too) can be easily controlled in NewTek control surfaces with joysticks on them. I fully expect the reverse will also be true - that if Panasonic supports NDI control connections to their surfaces, our PTZ1 will work with them too.
 

fonze

New member
Thanks Steve. I guess my question really is NewTek going to release their own NDI camera controller for the PTZ1? Or will we have to depend on other manufacturers to fill that void?
 

SBowie

'the write stuff'
Thanks Steve. I guess my question really is NewTek going to release their own NDI camera controller for the PTZ1? Or will we have to depend on other manufacturers to fill that void?
We don't really discuss future plans (you'll have heard the maxim, "If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans!") ... but I'l stick my neck out and say that - while our switcher surfaces already have pretty complete PTZ control features - I'd be surprised to see us announce a NewTek branded stand-alone PTZ control surface anytime in the immediate future.
 

fgolman

Member
Although I've got a control surface with joystick AND an external control surface, I've always thought that the external surface was much easier to operate.

I'm hoping that the X-Keys joystick can be made to work as that would be an ideal partner for a Mini control surface.

Cheers,

Fritz Golman
Museum of Broadcast Communications
 

JPulera

New member
Hi Fritz,

I have the XK-12 and unlike the keys on Xkeys units, the joystick itself is not "programmable" - it appears to Windows as a regular Windows gaming joystick. Therefore, not possible to tie stick movements to any Macros in TriCaster. I have in the past installed the PTZJoy software from Rocosoft on a TriCaster, and that software then does all the PTZ control bypassing the TriCaster PTZ options altogether. PTZJoy can use a gaming joystick for input, so camera movement does work with XK-12 stick in that case, however the twist on that stick sends a non-standard signal so does NOT work for zoom control. I was able to program the IN and OUT zoom functions to keys on the XK-12 instead.

I read that there will be a remote app for Newtek NDI/HX camera that does accept input from joysticks, so sounds like the XK-12 could be used in that case...but then you might as well just use a $30 gaming stick at that point and get more control. This app will run on separate PC by the way, not TriCaster.

The joystick on the larger Control Surfaces controls the PTZ cameras very nicely! However, for Mini owners or other users without the CS joystick, what to do? Just last week I was playing with Macros and Xkeys for PTZ control in TriCaster and was finally successful. I had in the past tried and failed, but finally got it right! Was able to program PTZ movement to buttons on an Xkeys (up, down, left, right, zoom in, zoom out), with TWO speeds for each (second, faster speed accessed with modifier key and same control buttons). Could easily add diagonal motion as well, but ran out of time that day and am currently without a PTZ demo camera - sold it and ordered the Newtek version.

I was happy when Newtek added the "virtual joystick" in the PTZ control panel, however I'm not very good at running it and the camera goes everywhere except where intended...takes me forever just to get camera framed up to snapshot a preset, and I wouldn't dream of adjusting while "live" using that method. Often, you might go to a preset such as a podium close up and find that the subject is much taller than the person you created the preset with, so you might need to add a little bit of headroom for instance. Don't try with the virtual joystick! This is where the Xkeys shines, for small, precise movements. Yes, one can do the same thing with the standard keyboard, however - the macro that starts the camera in motion keeps the motion going until you stop it with another macro. With Xkeys, I can fire one macro when key is pressed, and another when same key is released. So hold or tap key to move camera, and it stops when key is released, great for small tweaks! I made it work on the numeric keypad, but having to press a second key to stop the motion is not good for fine control.

So on ANY Xkeys unit, one could program a bunch of PTZ presets to keys, then have other keys control motion and zoom, and even snapshot the presets after making adjustments. Here's the catch - PTZJoy software allows you to select which camera to control by pressing 1 thru 8 on keyboard (or via Xkeys), then any controller keys move that camera. With TriCaster Macros, the camera number must be part of the macro itself, so you'd need an entire set of move and zoom macros for EACH camera. I suppose one could use SHIFT, ALT, and CTRL modifiers for instance to get one set of controls on Xkeys to move 4 different cameras...but that becomes a two-handed or nimble-finger process then.

For anyone wanting to use Xkeys on TriCaster - the TC1 and any model with AE now offers native Xkeys support, which is great for "basic" plug-and-play needs, however if you prefer using MacroWorks to program Xkeys yourself to take advantage of advanced features, then you need to disable native Xkeys support in TriCaster, and that is another story!

Anyway, when I get my Newtek NDI camera, will continue experimenting with it all. Maybe I can reverse-engineer commands from the TC1 CS joystick and figure out some better macros?

Thanks
 

fgolman

Member
Thanks for the info, Jeff. I had assumed that the X-Keys joystick wasn't usable before but thought that maybe it could be in future releases.

I, too, have used the Rocosoft software and although it works, I really wasn't too happy with the way their customer support worked in getting it running (and that said, I got stuck with the license on the computer where I had first installed ... they wouldn't even consider allowing it to be relicensed to a new platform).

SO, just hoping that sometime the X-Keys joystick will be compatible with the system.

Next time I'm getting an X-Keys, I'll get in touch with you regarding how to disable the native mode in TriCaster. I'm quite familiar with Macroworks as I've been using X-Keys for years, for many applications.

Cheers!

Fritz Golman
Museum of Broadcast Communications
 

Radio_TVPat1982

New member
Jeff, this is great info. Seems that every time you post something I learn something new even after having owned my unit for over a year now.

I am at a bit of a crossroads needing to make a decision on how I want to control my PTZ to my MINI.

I was leaning toward the Rocosoft software and a gaming joystick. I watched a couple videos on it but have not seen one to explain how to setup the controller. Is it difficult to setup? My idea at this point is to have a dedicated PTZ operator sit beside me and gather mostly pre set shots. Off the ball stuff for football. Mascot, cheer leaders, fans, etc. The PTZ will likely be setup near the field and signal sent to and from a junction box nearby.

I would like to setup one of my outputs and place a monitor just for the PTZ camera op. In your opinion, does all of this seem possible?
 
Last edited:

JPulera

New member
Hi Pat,

When you say "set up the controller" are you referring to the joystick? You quite simply do the standard joystick calibration procedure in Windows and that's it.

If interested in a custom interface solution for PTZ cameras, using PTZJoy and Xkeys hardware, please PM me

Thanks
 

Radio_TVPat1982

New member
Yeah, I was just thinking of doing a very simple gaming Logitech joystick setup. I really want this process to be as simple as possible. I just basically need a smooth way for an operator to control the camera when not using pre sets and also a way for them to ISO view it.

If all goes well for high school football I may add this to our ESPN3 productions we do. Even if you use it for presets only. I am thinking of using it for a slash cam for basketball.

I did use the web interface through a browser and just felt that trying to control it that way was not very smooth at all. I have hear the Rocosoft software was the way to go other than buying a full controller which is of course more than double the price.
 
Top Bottom