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Thread: Just heard the craziest thing about PAL/NTSC. This can't be true.

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    Just heard the craziest thing about PAL/NTSC. This can't be true.

    When asking a local production house about mini-dv, dvcam and PAL vs NTSC all regarding making movies only for the web, this guy tells me that movies shot in PAL won't play on the web.
    Hu? No, can't be. That sounds like the craziest thing an engineer ever thought!
    Is this an ignorant American, jingoist view or is there something in it?
    He claimed something it had to do with the 50 vs 60 cycles in the AC.
    Jeez, it's just too silly to believe. I mean to think the web is NTSC? That's nuts! But it makes me pause and come here as I was just getting ready to buy a SONY pdx10 and have been thinking maybe a PAL version would be nice for the extra lines, hoping that it would make for a better looking movie on the web.

    Please, someone in Europe tell me they are posting PAL on the web so I can disregard this bit of nonsense!

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    As far as I know, he has no clue what he is talking about. Web is neither NSTC or PAL. For web you'll be converting everything to MPEG 4 or something like that anyway.

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    I know. It felt like the most outlandish misinfo I ever heard, but two engineers at this place both came up with their doubts. I can't buy it, but it's just amazing how PAL is like some scary alien language for these guys. It can't be right. Thanks

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    nikmills,

    The engineer is correct about the PAL not playing back on NTSC
    and viceversa but that is for interlaced TV display only.
    If you are in the US and buy a PAL camera though you will have to use some sort of converter to be able to view you footage and also your NLE will not take in PAL footage on an NTSC system without converting it first. So if you are in the US you are better off using an NTSC camera and PAL if in Europe.

    Cheers,
    JS

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    Utter crap. Like wapangy says, you can take any form of DV and convert it to any format you like - change the frame rate, change the size, change the compression, change pixel aspect ratio...

    And PAL is easier to work with than NTSC because of the straight 50fps (none of that 29.97fps, 3:2 pull-down nonsense).

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    Originally posted by Darth Mole
    Utter crap. Like wapangy says, you can take any form of DV and convert it to any format you like - change the frame rate, change the size, change the compression, change pixel aspect ratio...

    And PAL is easier to work with than NTSC because of the straight 50fps (none of that 29.97fps, 3:2 pull-down nonsense).
    Darth, if you are working on an US-for TV Broadcast project, you will not be happy working with PAL and then converting to NTSC. For web-delivery, framerates are as flexible as pipe cleaners, so the whole NTSC/PAL argument is irrelevant to that delivery method. It's only relevant in your capture of live video or output for TV viewing.

    You can convert any format to any other format, but when you change framerate and pixel aspect ratio, do you not run into issues with image distortion or audio sync, or time-length changes?
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    Thanks everyone.
    My NLE is just good old FinalCut and it accepts PAL no problem. It's amazing how these US engineers are so scared of PAL. Anyway case closed. Thanks

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    Originally posted by Darth Mole
    Utter crap. Like wapangy says, you can take any form of DV and convert it to any format you like - change the frame rate, change the size, change the compression, change pixel aspect ratio...

    And PAL is easier to work with than NTSC because of the straight 50fps (none of that 29.97fps, 3:2 pull-down nonsense).
    Yeah well thats fine if you never intend to output anything on TV.
    For the web anything goes but try plugging your PAL camera into an NTSC TV. Won't work without a converter.

    Cheers,
    JS

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    PAL is superior in all ways... Progressive scan was US way to try and be as good as PAL in lines on screen.
    I dont know why US still uses NTSC?

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    Lightbulb Why do we need to stick with either?

    I mean, we've been in a transition from analog to digital with computer and "TV" media being display/distribution via the same hardware why continue with either format.

    Just make it all 24fps 1080x1920p and be done with it! World Wide too!
    Last edited by Miles; 03-30-2003 at 05:14 AM.

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    Yes - I know you need a converter between PAL and NTSC, but that's not what the original question said.

    And I agree with Miles - why the hell do we still have different TV systems anyway? Hopefully, now we've gone digital we can get rid of interlacing and have one global format.

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    ntsc is sooo ****, being used to pal and watching ntsc when i was in usa was a joke.

    Porn ages well in pal too.

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