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  1. #46
    Originally posted by Stranahan
    PS - Remember that as you do business with NewTek, that they staged an extremely public battle to keep strip clubs open in Topeka, Kansas a decade ago. They even had Tim's friend Penn (from Penn And Teller - the noted atheist skeptic pervert magicians) do a commercial. This was a few years before I started my photography - and that's why I loved NewTek....
    really? wow. kick ***. did they win?

    we americans are such prudes. i don't understand.

    lee, you don't owe anyone here an explanation.

  2. #47
    They not only won, but every NewTek employee who went to Babydoll's for years afterward was treated like a king or queen.

    It's not so much owing an explanation as being happy to clarify things. I've never made any attempt to keep anything a secret - that's for ashamed people, and I'm not ashamed.

    One other thing - this isn't a sex vs God issue. I go to church. I'm a Unitarian Universalist, and we don't have the whole 'sex = evil' guilt thing - but we do believe in striving towards your own higher self.

    And you know - that's exactly what I'm doing. I believe that creating art that was sex positive was in accord with my higher self, and I beleive that walking away from it now is also in accord with that. To every thing, there is a season.

    As I stated in my retirement thread, my number one goal is providing a stable, happy enviroment for Lauren and my kids. And every action I've taken in the past week - from quitting the LightWave world to selling adult website domain names (and all my photography equipment, by the way) to playing minature golf with son in the middle of a very busy day - every action has been directed toward that goal.

  3. #48
    Originally posted by Stranahan
    LOL....

    PS - Remember that as you do business with NewTek, that they staged an extremely public battle to keep strip clubs open in Topeka, Kansas a decade ago. They even had Tim's friend Penn (from Penn And Teller - the noted atheist skeptic pervert magicians) do a commercial. This was a few years before I started my photography - and that's why I loved NewTek....
    no sh*t? man.. think of all that Lw/toaster development over the years without the promise of a night of ta-ta oggling after some long hours coding.... Crap, the toaster might have ended up being package to the religious community, perhaps under some silly name like the media ministry or, get this, the genesis pack.. yeah right....

    hey wait a minute......


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    I doubt if the software guys at Newtek have any time to go to strip joints at the moment. They're too busy coding Lightwave 8.

    Maybe Newtek should pay for them to go to a night out at a strip show as a reward for finishing Lightwave 8. But only after they finish it!!!
    (We don't want anything to distract them!)

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    I see no biggie at all, most men appreciate the female form, clothed or not, and I certainly have no problem with anyone choosing to photograph nude women (whatever form that photogrpahy may take). It isn't like it is harmful or anything.

    I for one respect the fact Lee is not underhanded about it either, there's no reason he should have to be.

    Cheers!

    Originally posted by Beamtracer
    Lee has posted a message on his website to say that he doesn't care who knows about his forays into nude photography. He says he doesn't try to hide the fact.

    I don't think anyone should be shocked. Most of the large media companies in the United States have interests or investments in the porn industry.

    Even the most conservative of them, such as Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation (owners of FOX News) have some investments that may surprise some people.

    The corporations do it just to make a buck. I get the impression that Lee does it for the art of photography.
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    Originally posted by archiea
    I choose the latter...few to nobody died defending porn. Too many people have died defending god. And they still are dying...
    and lets not get into how many have been slaughtered in his name, converting heathen countries or genocide?

    We have not come that far, but at least these days some faiths can sit side by side - there's hope for us yet, (assuming we don't get splattered by these near-earth objects that are flying past lately ).
    Too old to die young.

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    Man! I just wanted to add my sentiment to this thread as well. I think it’s really tragic that we live in a country (those who live in the US) that claims to be all about freedom and choice and yet just cant seem to keep it’s self out of other peoples lives and choices. I also think it’s really sad when you see that one of the major differences between the media in the US and Europe is that in Europe, Violence is not as excepted and but sex is fine. It’s the other way around in the US. I think the current view of sex in the US is very unhealthy. We teach our children that it should be kept privet and quite and that it’s naughty and nasty or dirty. This silence creates a lack of understanding and fear of it which in turn causes young people approach it with the naivety that appropriates things like teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases.

    I’m not trying to get all up your asses or anything. I understand that there are many people who don’t feel this way and you’re all entitled to your own opinions… Just like me. I’m just stating my opinions about this. I truly love the US and feel very lucky to have been born and raised here, and especially lucky to live in such a wonderfully liberal city as Portland Oregon. I just wish there wasn’t so much contradiction in beliefs here.

    I think everyone should be aloud to love the way they are comfortable with. If you’re not comfortable with anything other then the missionary position then that’s just fine. If you need whips and a leather mask, whatever makes you happy as long as it doesn’t hurt and one else… well, as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else that doesn’t want to be hurt that is. I might be a little put off by that but I would never hold it against anyone as some kind of character flaw.

    And lastly: How can sex be seen as such a bad thing when it’s so intertwined with love, intimacy and feeling good? How can violence been seen as ok when it’s so intertwined with hatred and death?

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    There's a difference between thinking kindly on God vs touting religion.

    And before anyone else decries God as a source of violence, and by extension, a bad thing, remember that snuff films and taking advantage of young women are not exactly non-violent things.

    And these things don't constitute "art" regardless of how cosmopolitan and progressive some would like to think they are.

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    Originally posted by DigiLusionist

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    And before anyone else decries God as a source of violence, and by extension, a bad thing, remember that snuff films and taking advantage of young women are not exactly non-violent things.
    And by the same token, neither should those things be viewed as sexual. For instance, rape is not a crime of passion or sex but a crime of violence and should be viewed as nothing less then one person hurting another. The sex part of rape is simply a violation of one's person and should not be viewed as being sexual in any way. When someone gets punched on the mouth it's not viewed as an act of eating is it? it just so happened that it involved the mouth. Not every thing that happens between the legs is sexual.

    I'm sure you realize all this. I guess I'm just stating the obvious but I just wanted to be clear about it.

    Ok, I'm sorry. I'll stop now. This isn't really the place for this kind of talk.

    -=GB=-

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    I think this was going better when we were just debating DirtyFilthySex.com.
    I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence

  11. #56
    Originally posted by DigiLusionist
    There's a difference between thinking kindly on God vs touting religion.

    And before anyone else decries God as a source of violence, and by extension, a bad thing, remember that snuff films and taking advantage of young women are not exactly non-violent things.

    And these things don't constitute "art" regardless of how cosmopolitan and progressive some would like to think they are.
    You see, how you took a discussion about Lee's web addresses, and associated it with snuff films, exploiting young women? Yoou see how many who debate a form a self expression, and relate it to God, often associate it to violence? You see how narrow minded one can become? hoow intolerant. What does our discussion have to do with exploited women or snuff films.

    God and religion has a LONG history with Viiolence.

    In fact religion was a mechanization of control, and a bastardization of works like the Bible or the Qur'aan. They took the words of philosophers and leaders and turned them into an instrument of fear and control. Remember that at that time, The masses were uneducated and poor. How does a small percentage of noblemen and sovereignty control a majority of the uneducated and poor.... by putting the fear of god in them. Be good, go to church, pay the church, or be damned forever....

    Now we have captiolism, which is essentially a bribe.... Follow the rules, make the boss money and you will ge a piece. Religion has taken the place as a form of self expression, like art or, yes, porn sites, or whatever. Its a freedom enjoyed.

    And I really find it hard to belive that I will go to some place called hell for thinking so..... But believe what you want to belive, because its your right. Just don't judge, because that places people in a heirarchy of a self imnposed value. And some take that sense of right and wrong and are willing to kill for it. Its all about tolerance... and getting a good jerk going once in a while...


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    archeia, the discussion re: snuff films, et al resulted from judgmental comments that were intended to somehow denigrate a person's faith in God as a bad thing since it "has a long history of violence." I merely was pointing out that pornography also has a history of violence. I am in no way suggesting Lee has ANYTHING to do with that aspect of pornography. That was a mistake on my part for leaving that open to interpretation as my point.

    I never said an adult shouldn't be free to look at porn. I just said it creeps "me" out because I have seen first hand the effects of the industry on girls I knew when I was younger. After that, lambasting comments were made about (paraphrasing here) "prudish American church-goers," and how sex is beautiful and nothing to be ashamed of.

    I'm a Christian and I, too, think sex is beautiful and nothing to be ashamed of. However, I think it's a huge stretch to say that sites with names such as, BondageBabes.com and Slutpuppies are in anyway "artistic."

    Others disagreed, which is fine. I don't expect obeyance to my views. However, absolutely no respect is given to opposing views on this forum. So folks seem to think it's cool to decry religion, and to have absolutly no regard for offending others. They, however, are the first to take offense at views that don't conform with their own.

    Denigrating a person's faith in God as something awful because of instances of religious-based violence, in order to validate pornography, is just plain fallacious reasoning. What about the violence of porn, then?

  13. #58
    Originally posted by Stranahan
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    As I stated in my retirement thread, my number one goal is providing a stable, happy enviroment for Lauren and my kids. And every action I've taken in the past week - from quitting the LightWave world to selling adult website domain names (and all my photography equipment, by the way) to playing minature golf with son in the middle of a very busy day - every action has been directed toward that goal.
    I'm sure your Son will always remember.
    Good on 'ya, Lee!

  14. #59
    Originally posted by DigiLusionist
    archeia, the discussion re: snuff films, et al resulted from judgmental comments that were intended to somehow denigrate a person's faith in God as a bad thing since it "has a long history of violence." I merely was pointing out that pornography also has a history of violence.
    Porn's history of violence is nothing compared to religion.

    Originally posted by DigiLusionist



    I never said an adult shouldn't be free to look at porn. I just said it creeps "me" out because I have seen first hand the effects of the industry on girls I knew when I was younger. After that, lambasting comments were made about (paraphrasing here) "prudish American church-goers," and how sex is beautiful and nothing to be ashamed of.

    well then, perhaps the confusion is comparing or equating sex to porn...

    Originally posted by DigiLusionist


    I'm a Christian and I, too, think sex is beautiful and nothing to be ashamed of. However, I think it's a huge stretch to say that sites with names such as, BondageBabes.com and Slutpuppies are in anyway "artistic."

    Yes they are, just not to your taste...

    Originally posted by DigiLusionist



    Denigrating a person's faith in God as something awful because of instances of religious-based violence, in order to validate pornography, is just plain fallacious reasoning. What about the violence of porn, then?
    Theres nothing to validate with porn... its just porn and its not trying to be something else. And porn can be an artform. It even can be a social documentary like "Dirty Deputantes", where yu see some average guy taping his seduction of women off the streets.

    And its not Degenerating religion. Its putting it in its place. Look at this newest headline...

    http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/pac...nosundaysports

    I mean, where did this come from? Now the church is condeming sunday football and tells everyone to go to church. While I aggree with the Pope regarding pop culture is a tremendous distraction, I think reality show do more to rot us than football. And I don't think the only answer is in the church.

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    Originally posted by ngrava
    When someone gets punched on the mouth it's not viewed as an act of eating is it?
    LOL! Simply wonderful comment!!!
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