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    Here's another possible Photoshop alternative; free, but alas again Windows-only.

    http://www.artweaver.de/products-en/artweaver-free/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinland View Post
    Here's another possible Photoshop alternative; free, but alas again Windows-only.

    http://www.artweaver.de/products-en/artweaver-free/
    That looks nice.
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    After Effects / Premiere alternatives

    Fusion - $2400
    Hitfilm - $400
    SpeedEDIT - ?
    Nuke - $2500
    Sony Vegas - $170-$600
    Lightworks - $60

    Apple Motion - $50
    Final Cut Pro - $300
    Apple Shake 4.1 - $300
    (dicontinued, buy it at Amazon)


    nice thing is that many revisionfx plugins are compatible,
    http://revisionfx.com/products/#product_support_matrix


    but it's hard to replace AE.
    http://www.adobe.com/products/aftere.../features.html
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    I have mixed feelings about this. We have two Creative Suites and two cloud subs at our studio, so this would force us to move to four cloud subs to maintain parity between versions. AE is our key app and one of the few that Adobe does actually do decent updates for, so I'm tempted to go for the single app option and stick to CS6 suites for the other applications for a few more years.

    On the plus side I hope this helps Adobe reduce piracy a bit. The cynic in me thinks prices will go up substantially year-on-year tho...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sami View Post
    Painter used to be great, but again, I haven't used that in ages, and Corel's drm was sucky in PaintshopPro Pro x2 so I don't know if they've ruined Painter these days.
    Painter 12 doesn't have DRM, just a serial number and web activation. You do need to activate online but apart from that, it's not fussy. I use the same license code for my workstation and my laptop.

    That said, while Painter 12 is the best natural media simulator you can buy, it's not a Photoshop replacement. I've always seen the two programs serving completely different functions.

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    For people like me, I couldn't afford to pay for the entire suite which is why I'm on the subscription. I don't agree though that it should be the only way, just another way to use their wonderful products. It would be cool if Newtek had a subscription option along with purchasing outright. lol I don't know why Adobe made this the only option though. One thing it will help allot on is piracy of their products which I absolutely oppose people stealing software.
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    I love using Sony Vegas Pro. It's always been more flexible than Premiere and I have no desire to go back to that editor. The catch with Vegas is that they seem to release a new upgrade every year, charging about $150 to $200 each time. I keep buying the upgrades though--the new features have not been trivial. AFAIK, there is no penalty for skipping an upgrade.

    My primary interest in Adobe Cloud is to gain access to AE, which doesn't come with the CS Design Premium Suite. My main compositing program has been Fusion for 12 years now and I see no reason to change this, but I also used AE a long time ago and I still feel it's better suited for motion graphics and certain types of animated effects work than Fusion is. That said, I cringe at the thought of going back to nesting layers in AE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenlaw View Post
    I love using Sony Vegas Pro. It's always been more flexible than Premiere and I have no desire to go back to that editor. The catch with Vegas is that they seem to release a new upgrade every year, charging about $150 to $200 each time. I keep buying the upgrades though--the new features have not been trivial. AFAIK, there is no penalty for skipping an upgrade.

    My primary interest in Adobe Cloud is to gain access to AE, which doesn't come with the CS Design Premium Suite. My main compositing program has been Fusion for 12 years now and I see no reason to change this, but I also used AE a long time ago and I still feel it's better suited for motion graphics and certain types of animated effects work than Fusion is. That said, I cringe at the thought of going back to nesting layers in AE.

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    I'll have to take your word for it on Vegas, the last time I tried one of their demos I hated it - but that was a while ago. It would take a lot to top Premiere for me.

    As for Painter, it's good to hear they didn't bloat it like PaintshopPro - I remember in the pre-CS days, that PaintShopPro + Painter were quite competitive feature-wise with Photoshop (and yes it is a natural media workhorse and that's awesome) but it handled the vector-raster mix well back then - so I'm looking forward to trying it again (that being said Photoshop Cs6 should last me a long time until revolutionary features come up that I need).

    The reason I asked about the DRM in Corel's products is they used to have a few annoying services that ran all the time and were unnecessary CPU hogs.

    And what do you think of Nuke? I've only had cursory experience with it: they've got a site I found for AE people wanting to move to it: http://www.thefoundry.co.uk/stepuptonuke/

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    Quote Originally Posted by sami View Post
    ...what do you think of Nuke? I've only had cursory experience with it: they've got a site I found for AE people wanting to move to it: http://www.thefoundry.co.uk/stepuptonuke/
    I used Nuke a little bit before leaving Rhythm. Rhythm develops its own proprietary compositing program and the Box used Fusion, but Rhythm did offer a class in Nuke for employees. My impression was that Nuke is very similar to Fusion, at least where the interface is concerned. I think Fusion's GUI is a bit more polished but Nuke's, but Nuke seems to handle huge 4k files much more efficiently than Fusion. Nuke is insanely expensive though--about 8k for the full package last time I checked. Too rich for me. I used to think Fusion was expensive but not anymore. Well, Fusion is much less expensive anyway.

    I'm surprised to hear that AE users want to migrate to Nuke. I'm guessing cost is not an influence for these users since AE is actually quite cheap compared to other professional compositing programs. Then again, back when I used AE, I thought it was painfully slow for working with film res plates and elements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robertoortiz View Post

    Flash
    • ToonBoom (fantastic program)
    http://beta.toonboom.com/home-users/toon-boom-studio
    • Unity
    http://unity3d.com/
    Add Anime Studio and CrazyTalk Animator for 'flash-like' vector animation tools. ToonBoom Animate Pro 2 is the most professional of the tools listed here that I've used but it's the most expensive too.

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    Any experiences with these programs guys?
    For Blender, I can say compositing is alright and is certainly better than nothing. Just know that you almost cannot see your work in motion while editing if you composite in Blender so it is still quite far behind in that area. I only recommend it if one has no access to anything else. I fall into that category, so I've depended on blender to put things together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robertoortiz View Post
    Ok here is the copiled list so far.
    Any experiences with these programs guys?

    LightRoom
    • Darktable
    http://www.darktable.org/
    I was excited to see a new alternative (darktable) listed here but I learned quickly that there is no windows version. Just a few days ago I found out about RawTherapee @ http://rawtherapee.com.
    I can't tell how it measures against Lightroom and Darktable as I started working with raw files only very recently, but it seems to be a decent alternative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robertoortiz View Post
    Not that I am a fan of Autodesk, but in the interests of keeping the list more or less comprehensive and applicable, I think Autodesk's Smoke should be on the list. http://www.autodesk.com/products/smoke/overview

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