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Thread: CNET: Adobe kills Creative Suite, goes subscription-only

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albertdup View Post
    Maybe its just me but wih the pricing in dollars in our country one seat will equal a quarter of the minimum wage a month. And no we don't get discounts here from Adobe, in fact we were told we have to pay in advance for a year or we cant get creative cloud. That's going to hurt a lot of struggling business even more.
    So that's $600 up front then? yeah that hurts. I pay that amount to use a maya subscription.
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    With local taxes its closer to $ 1273 per seat per year
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    in UK Adobe Creative Cloud is £48 per month or £576 per year...and you get ALL the Adobe applications

    compare that to yearly subscription for Autodesk 3ds max which is £648 per year inc VAT
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    And the Fnal Cut team at Apple is laughing hysterically, "and these clowns accused US of a bonehead move."
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    I do not know if this is mentioned in this long thread but the future of Adobes software lies maybe more in ,
    if it can be pirated like now or not , then if it is a subscription model or not.
    If CC gets pirated like CS6 the crowd will not give a damn if it is subscription or not.
    Some old users-buyers will get angry and look for other programs but there are not so many in the same league and habits are hard to change.
    When they see new and interesting things in CC in time they will get accustomed to the model and will be saying "hmm maybe why not ?" .

    At first i hated Steam. I tried to stay away so much i could. But then i bought a game that had Steam support.
    When i saw the free games and the annual discounts and such it was not long before i begun to Love Steam.
    Now we have 3 Steam accounts with more then 100 games at home.

    You may say it is not the same like Steam (yes it is not the same ) but if Adobe begins to sell in the future the old CC like 25 $ a month
    and the future CC2 at 50 $ or so and makes sometimes discounts like Steam who knows what will happen ?
    I do not like this change but i am not sure that i could say "i will never buy this subscription" after my Steam , Origin and Blizzard purchases
    Last edited by kadri; 05-11-2013 at 07:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albertdup View Post
    With local taxes its closer to $ 1273 per seat per year
    Wow, get out if you can.
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    Software as a Service (SAS) can work very well:
    - You normally work with 5 people, but in a peak you may need 15 licenses.
    - You normally only use PS, AE and Pr, but a certain job needs Illustrator.
    - You normally work on Windows but this one job is all done in OSX.
    These are situations most people may know and which were difficult do deal with before.

    Now if Adobe would be really clever, they would offer SAS as a SERVICE to HELP people - which are their customers, their main income and market.
    - You own 5 boxed licenses and rent 10 more for as long as needed. You are willing to pay a certain premium since it's still cheaper than buying 10 more full boxes.
    - You buy PS, AE and PR as boxed licenses and rent Illustrator as long as needed for the job. You can even rent it for a day later on if you should need to access a file without hassle or problems for a reasonable fee.
    - You have boxed licenses for Windows but you can rent the option to use the OSX version for a given time for a reasonable fee.

    SAS works pretty well if it is one available option. It can really be a lifesaver then and is available for quite a while from many professional software companies.
    Like you can rent another seat of Nuke for a certain time.

    I'm really curious if this at-gunpoint we-have-you-by-the-balls-forever tactic will work out in reality.
    So far Adobe was one of the halfway decent software companies, but now they seem to have gone rather nutty.
    Alienating large parts of your customer-base hasn't been a good idea in the past.

    Interesting times, as the Chinese say ;-)

    Cheers,

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    Yuk!!

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    If you're interested in PhotoPlus or MoviePlus by serif they are having a May Sale (May 11 - May 20) on the X5 (last year's) version of their software for $15 each: http://www.serif.com/sale/?mc=ETWE355

    I just got the email earlier this morning.

    As far as the topic, I was pretty surprised this happened so quickly. I wasn't expecting Adobe to go full subscription based for another year or two at least. I thought they'd at least do a CS7 release. Since they just killed the cost effective upgrades recently. Oh well. I'll look into going to another vendor's software when CS5 finally starts to feel old for me or breaks when I update my OS.

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    bummer that Corel doesn't give you upgrade prices for Paintshop Pro or Painter beyond the last version or 2. I haven't used it either in years and have versions that are 3-4 behind current and they don't offer upgrades for them. Do they offer crossgrades from Adobe products?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sami View Post
    bummer that Corel doesn't give you upgrade prices for Paintshop Pro or Painter beyond the last version or 2. I haven't used it either in years and have versions that are 3-4 behind current and they don't offer upgrades for them. Do they offer crossgrades from Adobe products?
    I would email them. Considering what's going on with Adobe, they may want to AGGRESSIVELY regain older customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalodon2.0 View Post
    And another thing that someone mentioned over on the Lux forums...

    What happens if you're a freelancer and end up on hard times? We just went through the Great Recession - did everyone have enough money to pay a monthly subscription? What if something similar happens again and you can't afford to pay the subscription? But you still want to be able to work and scrape up some money? You COULD do that if you had the boxed software on your machine, but not with subscription.

    It seems that many people here and elsewhere are not thinking about what COULD happen in the future and the position that Adobe could put YOU in. It may have nothing to do with Adobe, but with the economy and you making money. Seems a little shortsighted if you ask me. And yes, we all know that MANY things can happen that we can't control - but this is one you CAN control. I certainly won't be buying into this cloud - I hope Newtek never even looks twice at it.
    Exactly what i was thinking!!

    i have CS6..so, if i cant afford my subscription for a couple of months can i resort to my old CS6 version??

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    Sure, if you can still open your existing CC-files with it then... ;-)

    Cheers,

    Tom

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    Quote Originally Posted by eureka View Post
    Exactly what i was thinking!!

    i have CS6..so, if i cant afford my subscription for a couple of months can i resort to my old CS6 version??
    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Helzle View Post
    Sure, if you can still open your existing CC-files with it then... ;-)

    Cheers,

    Tom
    Yeah, just as Tom says.

    Though when they start to change things by upgrading features, then it may become problematic. CS6 may not be able to open the files correctly.

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