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  1. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by Surrealist. View Post
    From there, if you are trying to sort out what to do, you can go here and look at the prices:

    https://www.adobe.com/products/catal....html?start=10
    totally missed that, didn't pop up on my search, not sure why...
    that's good though...
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    Yep and the wording here can be miss interpreted:

    "We have no current plans to release another perpetual release of the CS tools and suites. Creative Cloud is going to be our sole focus moving forward,"

    Does not say you can not purchase current CS6 into the future, but does say that dev will stop on them.

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    Also going back to the provided link:

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-575...ware&tag=title

    Thee are some interesting quotes:

    "Overwhelmingly, when you compare the people who've complained about the new model to the people who loved it, it definitely skewed heavily to the new model," he said. "Obviously we would not be making a decision this big if the percentage of people in that category was so big it was the wrong thing for us to do."
    At the end of the day I think it will come down to the numbers. The idea of owning software outright, is just an emotional idea, (considering this particular plan I mean not in general) I mean it "feels good". But when you consider the number of years it would take you at subscription prices to own the software, it fails to add up anymore. So you want to pay 2 gs or only a few hundred over 2 years with no additional upgrade prices. And we are talking more like 4 years plus to have spent the amount of money it would have taken to own it outright. At that point purchasing software is just a myth anyway. Who wants to own and use software that is 4 years old? Sure you can do that. But also in that four years the old model cost you more upfront and more to maintain if you do choose to upgrade. So that is why I say it is just emotional. (considering this particular plan I mean not in general) I mean the benefits financially just don't add up anymore. Freedom to me is more cash in my pocket. Not money in Adobe's bank account. Under this model it starts to look better for my pocket and I like that.

    I think the idea of payments is scary but again, put it into a savings account, or even stuff it in your paypal account and transfer as needed. Or any thing you want to do.

    Too much to manage? Well I can understand that. But if it means saving a few grand, I'll do it. If it was just a few hundred, I'd probably opt to own. But this model allows me to use more software and the time it would take to own it at those prices just makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surrealist. View Post
    ...The idea of owning software outright, is just an emotional idea...
    Not really. There is nothing emotional about using a tool for as long as it does its job.

    I'm only using the most recent Photoshop because it came as part of the CS, which I upgraded from a Design CS to a Production CS to add Premiere/After Effects. The bulk of my Photoshop work could probably be done in a 10-year-old release. Adobe produced solid products years ago that satisfy most of its customers. There is little incentive to replace/upgrade something that already works. To encourage new sales, Adobe has offered discount upgrade pricing, bundled multiple apps in CS, and now pushes users to a CC subscription. They also shake up sales by fragmenting existing product lines (ie: the multiple versions of Flash, Acrobat, etc). Their web app line up is terribly schizophrenic now.

    I don't fault Adobe for finding a business model that will give them a more steady revenue stream. But I'm not going to participate in that model until Adobe offers real benefits to upgrading from software that already serves me well and that I can use as long as I want.

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    Yeah, I personally would happily sign into this model if I could continue to use the last version I had installed indefinitely after I stop paying.

    I use only 6 of the apps Adobe sells and only 3 of them a lot, so I have no use for the full suite. The "but you get it for free" or "so much cheaper than before" doesn't cut it for me. Since the single apps are so much more expensive, that road makes no sense either.

    I think I'll sit it out and see how it develops.
    Maybe I'll just rent it for a month if a job should require it but keep CS6 for my own use.

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    I've been using Creative Cloud for a year now, and at the original launch price (with the discount for exiting CS owners) it was incredible value for money. I'm not so sure how I'll feel about it once the price goes up.

    But this is interesting. It's a big gamble for Adobe - despite what you might think, they do have competitors out there waiting to step in if this proves unpopular (just like Adobe and Avid did when Apple borked the release of FCPX!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surrealist. View Post
    Yep and the wording here can be miss interpreted:

    "We have no current plans to release another perpetual release of the CS tools and suites. Creative Cloud is going to be our sole focus moving forward,"

    Does not say you can not purchase current CS6 into the future, but does say that dev will stop on them.
    I wouldn't count on any CS6 license being available after the end of this month. Since they are releasing their new CC offerings in June, it is highly likely that they will be completely unavailable by the end of this month.

    They've even completely screwed their stores in most regions deeply burying any links to CS products and there are a ton of redirects in there making it difficult to find upgrade licenses or collections like Production Premium. Get it now while you can or get it from Amazon or somewhere while supplies last.

    It could be a trick, but it's also probably the last perpetual license you'll be able to obtain from them and it won't be easy to obtain legally in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raymondtrace View Post
    The bulk of my Photoshop work could probably be done in a 10-year-old release. Adobe produced solid products years ago that satisfy most of its customers. There is little incentive to replace/upgrade something that already works.
    Well the only problem I have with this is that you can not just make broad statements without some stats to back it up. Most costumers? What is that based on? You have an international survey? And how many years? 2, 5, 10?

    Quote Originally Posted by raymondtrace View Post
    Not really. There is nothing emotional about using a tool for as long as it does its job.
    Spending 2,500 bucks today just to "own" a suite of software, when I can use it and not likely ever spend nearly as much considering the additional costs of upgrades, like ever, in my lifetime under this plan, is to me just emotional. Buying my own copy of Vegas and owning it is not emotional. But if they offered it with all of the Sony software under a similar deal and I had use for it, then not only would it be emotional, it would be financial stupidity to "own" it out of principle. That's something I can only evaluate on a case by case basis. And you have evaluated it differently based on your situation. I certainly did not mean that to be a wide sweeping truth. Take it for what it is worth. My opinion in the proper context.

    For me personally, I like being up do date when I can. And I like owning my own copies. But no other company has made it attractive to do otherwise until now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sami View Post
    I wouldn't count on any CS6 license being available after the end of this month. Since they are releasing their new CC offerings in June, it is highly likely that they will be completely unavailable by the end of this month.

    They've even completely screwed their stores in most regions deeply burying any links to CS products and there are a ton of redirects in there making it difficult to find upgrade licenses or collections like Production Premium. Get it now while you can or get it from Amazon or somewhere while supplies last.

    It could be a trick, but it's also probably the last perpetual license you'll be able to obtain from them and it won't be easy to obtain legally in the future.
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    You don't have to use Amazon. You can get it very easily and directly from Adobe. I supplied the links already. They are stating in the article and on the faq online that it will continue to be available. And yes it will by their own admission be the last perpetual license. Period. I don't have any way to tell what they mean by the future. But there is no indication it will stop in a month. If that bothers people, then they can act now. I am not worried about it either way. Not planning to buy the suites at full price. Just not in the plans for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surrealist. View Post
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    You don't have to use Amazon. You can get it very easily and directly from Adobe. I supplied the links already. They are stating in the article and on the faq online that it will continue to be available. And yes it will by their own admission be the last perpetual license. Period. I don't have any way to tell what they mean by the future. But there is no indication it will stop in a month. If that bothers people, then they can act now. I am not worried about it either way. Not planning to buy the suites at full price. Just not in the plans for me.
    I looked through your posts and couldn't see it. My studio is mostly on CS6 now, but we have a remaining CS5 Production Premium license I'd like to upgrade - where can I find the CS5 Prod Premium -> CS6 Prod Premium upgrade in their store? They've intentionally obfuscated their store and I keep getting redirected in circles trying to encourage me to go to Creative Cloud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surrealist. View Post
    Well the only problem I have with this is that you can not just make broad statements without some stats to back it up. Most costumers? What is that based on? You have an international survey? And how many years? 2, 5, 10?
    The statistic to back that up is Adobe's move to subscriptions. If Adobe was doing well enough to consistently convert existing users to upgraders, they would not need to move to the subscription model. The subscription model is not really new. It is nothing more than forcing users to continually upgrade.

    In recent years, Adobe has tightened the upgrade window to only the past 2 releases. There's no need to make such a move unless Adobe recognized that a good portion of their audience was squatting on old licenses.

    Adobe is a public company. Read their investor filings to understand what they have been struggling with for the past decade. Their growth is based on expanding markets and technologies, not reinforcing a somewhat stagnant core.

    For the past several Novembers, Adobe employees brace themselves for the possibility of being one of the 600+ employees that are cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sami View Post
    I looked through your posts and couldn't see it. My studio is mostly on CS6 now, but we have a remaining CS5 Production Premium license I'd like to upgrade - where can I find the CS5 Prod Premium -> CS6 Prod Premium upgrade in their store? They've intentionally obfuscated their store and I keep getting redirected in circles trying to encourage me to go to Creative Cloud.
    Nevermind, I found it cheaper at sharbor.com than directly from Adobe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raymondtrace View Post
    Adobe is a public company. Read their investor filings to understand what they have been struggling with for the past decade. Their growth is based on expanding markets and technologies, not reinforcing a somewhat stagnant core.

    .
    Well their stock is doing Great!

    http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=A...rce=undefined;

    This has the markings of a New Coke Fiasco.
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    Latest update of the list.
    I will add later OS, Licensing method and Price
    OK here is the list so far:
    After Effects:
    • Hitfilm
    (Windows, Mac version on the way)
    $399.00
    http://hitfilm.com/
    • Fusion
    http://www.eyeonline.com/
    • Nuke
    http://www.thefoundry.co.uk/
    • Blender
    http://www.blender.org/education-he...ls/compositing/
    • Apple Motion
    https://www.apple.com/finalcutpro/motion/

    Premiere:

    • Grass Valley EDIUS Pro 6.5
    (Windows 7-8,)
    USD 699.00
    http://www.grassvalley.com/products/edius_pro_6.5
    • Sony Vegas
    http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/vegassoftware
    • Final Cut
    http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro/all-features/
    • Avid
    http://www.avid.com/US/
    • Lightworks
    http://www.lwks.com/
    • Smoke
    http://www.autodesk.com/products/smoke/overview
    Movie Plus
    http://www.serif.com/

    Photoshop
    • Gimp
    photoPlus
    http://www.serif.com/://www.gimp.org/
    •Photoline
    http://www.pl32.com/
    • Paintshop Pro (I still use PSP 7...Great little program)
    http://www.corel.com/corel/product/...languageCode=en
    • Corel Draw
    http://www.corel.com/corel/pages/in...languageCode=en
    • Krita
    http://www.calligra.org/news/calligra-2-6-2-released/
    • DogWaffle
    http://www.thebest3d.com/pda/index8.html
    • Acorn 4 -
    http://www.flyingmeat.com/acorn/
    • Pixelmator 2.1-
    http://www.pixelmator.com/
    •Seashore-
    http://seashore.sourceforge.net/The...ject/About.html
    •Manga Studio 5
    http://manga.smithmicro.com/index.html

    Illustrator
    DrawPlus
    http://www.serif.com/
    • CorelDRAW® X6
    http://www.corel.com/corel/product/...rkid=NASEMGglGR
    • Inkscape
    http://inkscape.org/
    • Xara
    http://www.xara.com/us/

    Flash
    • ToonBoom (fantastic program)
    http://beta.toonboom.com/home-users/toon-boom-studio
    • Unity
    http://unity3d.com/
    • AnimeStudio
    http://anime.smithmicro.com/
    • Crazy Talk Animator
    http://www.reallusion.com/crazytalk/animator/
    LightRoom
    • Darktable
    http://www.darktable.org/
    • Corel AfterShoot Pro:
    http://www.corel.com/corel/product/...languageCode=en
    • DXO:
    http://www.dxo.com/uk/photo
    • Capture One Pro 7:
    http://www.phaseone.com/en/Download...-One-Pro-7.aspx
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    Quote Originally Posted by jburford View Post
    You will continue to have access to free Creative Cloud member benefits, and if you saved your work to your computer you will continue to have access to those files. You will no longer have access to the Creative Cloud desktop applications or most of the services that are components of a Creative Cloud membership.
    And how will you be able to modify those files?

    We're not talking about just PSD here. We're talking about ALL of the Adobe apps files. In order for me to access the FULL functionality of the files I was working on, I would have to re-subscribe to the cloud to be able to work on my files. And as I said previously, there is ALWAYS the possibility that Adobe may alter their file formats JUST enough to make editing in another program... less attractive.

    If you don't have AfterFX installed on your machine, how can you edit and AE file?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robertoortiz View Post
    Latest update of the list.
    I will add later OS, Licensing method and Price
    OK here is the list so far:
    Xara is ALSO a Photoshop alternative.

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