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    Animated Boolean Modo and DP KIT

    I was a bit frustrated to see modo 601 providing animated booleans untill I have discovered that DP Kit provide the same function for free and it works!

    All LW community should be grateful to Dennis for his great work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by spigolo View Post
    I was a bit frustrated to see modo 601 providing animated booleans untill I have discovered that DP Kit provide the same function for free and it works!

    All LW community should be grateful to Dennis for his great work!
    WOW! Didn't know that... thanks for the tip. And thanks Denis

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    I am astonished every time I see that LW-users aren't aware of Denis DPKit and, among the goodies in there, the Boolean-node, which has been around for quite some time, inside his little neat tool called DPKit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cageman View Post
    I am astonished every time I see that LW-users aren't aware of Denis DPKit and, among the goodies in there, the Boolean-node, which has been around for quite some time, inside his little neat tool called DPKit.

    I'm really sorry for that

    Well, of course I know of Denis and his stuff, but apparently not good enough

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    Haha...

    No worries... didn't mean anything bad at all... good that people are brought up to speed with the tools LW has access to...

    But... this also brings concerns to me; I'm starting to understand why LW is percieved as an uncapable application; if people inside the LW-community doesn't know about all tools out there that makes LW very capable, how would anyone outside the LW-community even have a slightest idea about it?

    I think that NewTek needs to rethink their marketing and make sure to include some of the key third party developers... especially thouse that have a lot of tools for free on their websites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cageman View Post
    Haha...

    No worries... didn't mean anything bad at all... good that people are brought up to speed with the tools LW has access to...

    But... this also brings concerns to me; I'm starting to understand why LW is percieved as an uncapable application; if people inside the LW-community doesn't know about all tools out there that makes LW very capable, how would anyone outside the LW-community even have a slightest idea about it?

    I think that NewTek needs to rethink their marketing and make sure to include some of the key third party developers... especially thouse that have a lot of tools for free on their websites.

    No hard feelings at all

    I see what you mean, and I guess there really only is one way to solve that, and that is to talk to outside developers like Denis and get permission to include the tools directly with Lightwave. But I'm not sure that would be the best thing for the future development though?

    For artists like me, well... what can I say, I barely have the time to use the features that is already there since I only work half-time with 3d, but I can't stand when people downtalk a software that is as good as Lightwave is now. I have, for example, been working a lot with Modo before (which is also why I need to get back on track with some stuff ), and I've went back to Lightwave again since it works a lot better for me when I work. Skipped LW10 and jumped straight on LW11 since it seems to go in the right direction now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cageman View Post
    Haha...

    No worries... didn't mean anything bad at all... good that people are brought up to speed with the tools LW has access to...

    But... this also brings concerns to me; I'm starting to understand why LW is percieved as an uncapable application; if people inside the LW-community doesn't know about all tools out there that makes LW very capable, how would anyone outside the LW-community even have a slightest idea about it?

    I think that NewTek needs to rethink their marketing and make sure to include some of the key third party developers... especially thouse that have a lot of tools for free on their websites.

    Somebody definitely needs to vocally support the hard core supporters (no pun intended)of LW and NT, no matter how underground they may seem to be. I know DPKit nodes aren't an exciting thing to talk about but obviously there is some power to them.
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    Well that and stop with the feature mimic of 3rd Party and focusing on delivering a sound application. It's like wasted effort with solutions that already exist, while stepping on partners' toes while many other issues are not dealt with at all.
    Sure that for integration sake there are stuff that is better to be developed in-house, but 3rd parties won't change the Core (pun intended) of the app; just pick the goodies the house gives them, expand it and cover any holes.

    Anyway a cheer to monsieur Pontonnier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by probiner View Post
    Well that and stop with the feature mimic of 3rd Party and focusing on delivering a sound application. It's like wasted effort with solutions that already exist, while stepping on partners' toes while many other issues are not dealt with at all.
    Sure that for integration sake there are stuff that is better to be developed in-house, but 3rd parties won't change the Core (pun intended) of the app; just pick the goodies the house gives them, expand it and cover any holes.
    I agree, better use resources to build on the software elsewhere. But maybe Newtek could make a section on their website devoted to developers? I remember when recoil came of for Modo, it was all over the place at Lux's website. This way, people interested in Lightwave could easily see what's really possible to create with it.

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    Okay, a couple of things...

    One, sorry but NO to Newtek distributing DPKit. Denis withdrew all of his toys not so very long ago because someone was redistributing his stuff. Also, if Newtek is distributing it then there is nothing that points the users to the "DONATE" button on his site...and let's be clear, these are amazing tools and he deserves something for his work.

    Two, "stop with the feature mimic of 3rd Party and focusing on delivering a sound application", while I share this sentiment (I thought FPrime and JANUS were sufficient answers to user needs), many users keep insisting on integrated features rather than partner products. (How many times have you seen fluids mentioned? Or complaints about FiberFX instead of people buying Sasquatch?) This is a "no win" proposition for Newtek. Some people want everything and the kitchen sink when they buy the program. Others like having a low purchase price and an "a la carte" option as what plug ins you add based on your needs.

    Basically, "you can please some of the people all of the time, or you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time."

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    Quote Originally Posted by probiner View Post
    Well that and stop with the feature mimic of 3rd Party and focusing on delivering a sound application. It's like wasted effort with solutions that already exist, while stepping on partners' toes while many other issues are not dealt with at all.
    Sure that for integration sake there are stuff that is better to be developed in-house, but 3rd parties won't change the Core (pun intended) of the app; just pick the goodies the house gives them, expand it and cover any holes.

    Anyway a cheer to monsieur Pontonnier.
    That is definitely the case. Somethings can only be improved from inhouse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cageman View Post
    Haha...
    But... this also brings concerns to me; I'm starting to understand why LW is percieved as an uncapable application; if people inside the LW-community doesn't know about all tools out there that makes LW very capable, how would anyone outside the LW-community even have a slightest idea about it?

    I think that NewTek needs to rethink their marketing and make sure to include some of the key third party developers... especially thouse that have a lot of tools for free on their websites.

    I agree. IMO the LW learning curve isn't too steep. But that's just the base install. I think a lot of new users (even some older ones) don't realise it can do so much more, and a lot of the time for free.

    But again, there is so much out there, how is anyone suppose to know all of them. I know there are available databases http://www.lwplugindb.com/ and http://lightwiki.net but what would be most useful, would be to have a NT definitive list... this one does this, this one does it for free, this one is the best. And have that as part of their marketing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waves of light View Post

    But again, there is so much out there, how is anyone suppose to know all of them. I know there are available databases http://www.lwplugindb.com/ and http://lightwiki.net but what would be most useful, would be to have a NT definitive list... this one does this, this one does it for free, this one is the best. And have that as part of their marketing.

    Ricky.
    Even simpler: advertise that the free sites exist. That is to say, advertise the above address, for example.

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    Just to clarify here...

    I wasn't suggesting that NewTek includes third party developer code into the application, but that they should start to show them off and get some attention that there are some very clever third party developers supporting LW.

    As an example; do anyone here seriously believe that we would use 3DS Max for all our effectswork if it wasn't for third party plugins such as Rayfire and Thinking particles?

    Food for thought...

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    You are totally right about this. Newtek's website (once it has been overhauled, re-designed and made cool) should have a section that actively points to and promotes the other key 3rd party plugins, Kray, DPkit, AElink, Extrader, shaderMiester and others. These are resources L'Waver's need, these are "Solutions", like you know, the solutions section on the current website that takes us to nothing solution-like at all.

    Even the old site was better with all the little videos showing how different tools worked, providing a good look at the software for anyone curious.

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