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    Quote Originally Posted by Iain
    I paid £5. Cd's here are roughly £9-£11 but I dont feel bad as I'll buy it on cd when it comes out.
    i wouldn't feel bad at all... nobody's taking a cut, it's all theirs... those 5pounds are probably more than they ever made from records sold under a label....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalodon
    Was it right that he put his convictions in the EULA?
    Dunno, it's just meaningless in any form of 'agreement' and downright hysterical that anyone takes themselves this seriously in a EULA- 'Accept Jesus as your savior... click 'OK'

    Quote Originally Posted by Megalodon
    Still you insist on taking it back to your problem with the EULA
    Just trying to stick with the root of the issue. Andrew's EULA discriminates religious preference among users. Who here thinks that's just a super idea? And that Andrew should sit in judgement on the personal intentions of each user of his software. Who thinks every 3D software company should get in on this? Who can explain what the term 'God' is doing in the middle of any agreement? What will all the other Gods think? How are war and guns on the 3D-Brush site exempt from 'propagandizing of hatred or violence?' No contradiction there. Anyone come up with a way to define when a 3D model, animation or effect is being associated with something 'lewd' or 'obscene' yet? Aside from some not sharing my sense of humour, I've not read a single objection to any of the specific points I have made regarding 3-D Brush or beliefs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megalodon
    - and not the real problem that most people are having with your "contest" post. The fact that it was making fun of his belief.
    Making fun of his delusions of saving us all. We all have our 'necessary illusions.' If you are going to lay yours out in a license agreement for the world to click 'OK' on, then you might wanna prepare for some critique.

    Perhaps you didnt notice, the problem with his belief and his EULA are one and the same, seeing as Andrew has neatly blurred the roles of software vendor and missionary into a license agreement. its kinda difficult to ridicule one without making ridiculing the other.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megalodon
    It's rather obvious that NO ONE thinks it was appropriate OR funny.
    Hell, they arrested Lenny Bruce.

    I admit, that original EULA was a tough act to follow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megalodon
    Okay, ONE PERSON in about the 40 posts since found it funny.
    Actually there are a few who stated amusement here, and others elsewhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megalodon
    Face it, what you believe may be correct, what you said in that post was not.
    You'll have the last word Mr. Rid... hopefully it will be introspective.
    Your horse is certainly higher than mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalodon
    It's rather obvious that NO ONE thinks it was appropriate OR funny. Okay, ONE PERSON in about the 40 posts since found it funny. The majority of the rest did not.
    I found it came a bit late (swinging after the bell had been rung), but HILARIOUS. I just didn't feel the need to post about it, till you put words in my mouth (and most likely others). Please don't do that.

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    4.1 The 3D-Brush software should not be used in the production of any lewd or obscene materials as well as of any products which propagandize hatred against people. We understand that we are not able to check you, this is on your conscience, but we warn you about responsibility before God.

    These are not just his convictions, they are also in spirit of Orthodox Christianity. You've been warned, but it's still up to you. No one will judge you , well, no one on this world.
    He also has responsibility before God (according to his beliefs, which must be respected!) to warn you that software he created could be used in creation of inappropriate materials such as pornographic or obscene imagery.
    We all know the difference between art and obscene, don't we? I'm sure we do

    I do not see why there is so much debate over this. You surely won't go to see because of this piece of software. (You'll go for something else )
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    Interesting discussion, and that's a good thing.

    Could you imagine a storekeeper who worried about the potential use of the pencils he or she sold? Or if Microsoft put the EULA like Andrew's on Notepad?

    Seems to me there are plenty of ways to express one's beliefs. I suspect Andrew could use his Web site for that purpose instead of the EULA (since he stated the EULA didn't hold any legal threat concerning what he considers lewd or obscene, etc....)

    Okay, I'm not writing what follow to make fun of Andrew -- I happen to agree with much of what he's said. But could you imagine a cartoon with Adam and Eve standing next to a computer and 3D-Brush substituted for an apple? And Eve saying "Adam, draw it, draw it!"

    The apple was just a prop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archijam
    I found it came a bit late (swinging after the bell had been rung), but HILARIOUS. I just didn't feel the need to post about it, till you put words in my mouth (and most likely others). Please don't do that.

    j.
    Yeah, I thought it was funny, as well, but Rid inserted the humor at the wrong place in the discussion which came off incredibly tactless, to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akademus
    4.1 The 3D-Brush software should not be used in the production of any lewd or obscene materials as well as of any products which propagandize hatred against people. We understand that we are not able to check you, this is on your conscience, but we warn you about responsibility before God.
    Precisely what I was making fun of.

    How many like the idea of this statement being in a license agreement? Anyone... Bueller?

    What if it were contained in Newtek's EULA? LW would not have been used on 300 or Sin City- movies exploding with hatred, violence and obscenity (am trying to think of a major theatrical release where LW was used more extensively than in Sin City).

    Quote Originally Posted by akademus
    He also has responsibility before God (according to his beliefs, which must be respected!))
    Nope, not necessarily. Particularly not when beliefs tread on the freedoms of others, just as christian doctrine has done for centuries (and today). Not to mention the millions that have been slain in the holy causes of all religions. Not nice. Religious beliefs are often not well informed or based on any actual facts and can therefore easily wind up woefully misguided.

    Am reminded of the time a man walked into one of the video stores I managed and asked if we carried The Last Temptation of Christ. I explained that the owners wouldnt allow us to carry it due to the controversy. He said he didnt really care personally, but would let his wife know...? Turns out their church was boycotting our stores because they heard we were carrying the movie, which we werent. Stupid.

    What's even dumber is when I had to cross picket lines to see the film in the theater originally. I had a discussion with some of the angry christians outside. Not one of them had actually seen the film, and the points of protest they heard were in the film, were not even actually in the film. Futhermore, I read of a screening for a panel of bishops and cardinals all of whom found nothing wrong with the film and said it was 'faith reassuring.' So what were these people all upset about? Nothing more than their own little dark thoughts.

    The beauty and the profanity are all in the mind of the individual.

    Quote Originally Posted by akademus
    We all know the difference between art and obscene, don't we?
    Aw, isnt that naive. You make the mistake of believing that what you see as right or wrong at any given moment is what everyone else sees or should see, when there really is no such thing *gasp*! It is all subjective. You can not define or limit what is 'obscene' anymore than you can define or limit what is 'art' or what is 'funny' or 'good' or 'boring.' These vague adjectives would hold no water legally. You must be much more specific to enforce any rules. For instance, 'erections and penetrations' is a legal phrase to define what types of movies may be illegal to rent or sell in a particular state (like Texas where I used to manage videostores). Blur or edit out the erect male organ or wherever it might be seen entering the female ****** and the movie is no longer legally 'porn' no matter what the rest of the content.

    Quote Originally Posted by akademus
    I do not see why there is so much debate over this.)
    Freedom of creative expression. I dont take little erosions of personal freedom lightly. You shouldnt either.

    Did you know that in the US that prides itself so much on freedom, filmmakers are not free to make movies however they want. Almost all movies wind up altered to appease the censors at the MPAA- a few anonymous people who determine the outcome of every movie released in the US. What's worse is the MPAA offers no guidelines for filmmakers to follow to avoid wasting huge amounts of time and money shooting scenes that will only have to be cut. Even after being stamped with an undesirable rating, the MPAA will not inform which scenes have to be altered in order to receive a different rating so the film has to be resubmitted several times. And an element that may be deemed PG in one movie could be labeled R in another or NC-17 in another. This is because it is impossible to define the rules about what is 'offensive' or not. Its all just moral fascists ********.

    Check out the documentary, This Film Is Not Yet Rated.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTL3X...r%20censorship

    Funny, 'R rated' trailer- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDqxuGlxbWc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Rid
    Did you know that in the US that prides itself so much on freedom, filmmakers are not free to make movies however they want. Almost all movies wind up altered to appease the censors at the MPAA- a few anonymous people who determine the outcome of every movie released in the US.[/url]

    cencorship is not only in the US, its everywhere and for a very simple and logical reason...no need to explain it even.

    we really dont need to show our kids, or anyone else for that matter the ultraviolent death scenes or prolonged and realistic torture...if it doesnt have much to do with the story, we can be without it.


    but when it comes to force happy endings into movies that really are supposed to have a sad ending..it goes too far.

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    Discussion of the techniques for use of 3D-Brush in conjunction with LightWave 3D is on topic for this forum. Debate of the product maker's choices in the EULA for the product is not, nor the social topics that derived from that.

    Thread has run its course, and is closed.

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