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    May the sauce be with you starbase1's Avatar
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    DVD's and Sony

    Well, I wanted something that would let me make much more professional DVD menus for my stuff nice and easily. And in the end I bit the bullet and bought Sony's DVD Architect.

    Seems to be just the job, nice and easy to customise, loads of options, I can really make the menus look my own with very little effort. And a good price too.

    This was the first time since their notorious rootkit scandal that I have inserted a Sony disk of any description into my PC.

    Unfortunately it looks like they learned absolutely nothing from the last time around, (though not with this product), as they are up to their old tricks but this time with DVD's.

    See this on Wired:
    http://blog.wired.com/music/2007/04/...vds_infec.html
    or this at ZD NEt:
    http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=357

    End result: Sony DVD's won't play in all Sony DVD players! (And many, many others have problems too).

    And on the off chance that you are not familiar with what they did last time around, here's the wikipedia description:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_So...ection_scandal

    I'm trying to think of any other example of a company with such a contemptuous attitude to it's customer base. And failing.

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    Ever since the rootkit saga I've boycotted Sony. That and Lik-Sang were enough to make me take my money elsewhere. At the time, I was actively drooling over the PSP, I owned both a PS1 and a PS2, and was passively planning a saving cycle to be able to afford a PS3 when it eventually dropped.

    That changed. The only money Sony have had out of me since then was for one viewing of Casino Royale in the cinema, and that was only because I (foolishly) didn't check the studio before buying the tickets. I very rarely take a stance like this, but Sony have made it very clear that they aren't concerned for my custom.

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    When are people going to get it. The consumers are ultimately in control and we don't like being taken advantage of.

    As for DVD software I am usually not an apple fanboy but I love DVD Studio Pro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starbase1
    I'm trying to think of any other example of a company with such a contemptuous attitude to it's customer base. And failing.
    Easy. Microsoft. Just look at the DRM crap they've infested Vista with. If a bug shows up in the OS, they might get aroud to fixing it, but if a problems shows up in their DRM, like someone finds a way around it, they'll have it fixed in a day.


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    May the sauce be with you starbase1's Avatar
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    I seriously considered that...

    But unlike Sony and their root kit, I don't think Microsoft have ever sneakily installed software so bad the department of Homeland Security got involved... And then claimed it didn't matter because their customers were too dumb to understand what a root kit was...

    Nope, I am firmly of the opinion that while Microsoft may be stupid greedy monopolists on a grand scale, Sony are actively malicious and contempuous.
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    I think Microsoft implemented these DRM things into Vista in order to comply with the demands of studios like Sony.
    I am not 100% sure, but I think some of the functionality in Vista is needed so DRM protected DVDs etc work.
    But I dont understand much of this and try to avoid getting in touch with DRM protected stuff whereever possible. Problem is, if you are not careful here in Austria and accidentially buy software or DVDs with DRM on then, you cant even return them if they dont work.
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    Well, after reading those blogs, all I can say is, I have Casino Royale on DVD, and I have a Sony DVD player (DVP NS-355) and it works fine!
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    Well, I can say that I have Casino Royale on Blu-Ray and a BDP-1 player and it works sometimes and not others.

    The disc is new the player was purchased 02/2007 and has been firmware updated to the latest rev. I still have to wait an absurdly long time to get any DVD to play and sometimes just get a 'cannot play this disc' message instead. Ejecting and closing the tray will get it to play.

    So I just emailed Sony my opinion of this.
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    My Cosino Royale DVD disc plays fine. I have 2 Sony DVD players about 4 to 7 years old though.

    As far as the Blu-Ray BDP-1 player you have, is it only Sony discs you have probs with?

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    The refuse to play thing is worse on Sony, but crops up on other titles as well.

    Then there are the long load times.

    HD-DVD seems the way to go to me.....it even plays CDs

    Waiting on a response from Sony since the firmware didn't fix it.
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    Crud. Just bought a PS3 a week ago. Heard a few complaints about Sony, but the alternative was an MS xbox360 - easy choice for me, since I liked PS1 and after having xbox1 I was ready to rotate back. Now it sounds like a chocie between the lesser of two evils - with no winner -
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    Ok, that's it, I am not buying DVD's any more of any large production house.

    I just read this post, and checked out the article, and saw "stranger than fiction" mentioned, which just arrived today from amazon. I'm not even going to put this in my dvd player or computer. This is going in the closet unopened, and I'm downloading that film.

    This is exactly why I don't agree with AndyJaggy. We do not have the choice. I have to resort to doing something illegal to achieve what I would be willing to pay for. Most of the time we are not even aware there is a choice to be made about something. It gets sneaked into our lives without our consent. Sony has so many monopolies and is so powerful for many things there is no alternative. A consumer should not have to bear the responsibility of background checking all companies and all products to see if they are bad in any way, wether it be poor labour practices for the employees, polution, your privacy or any other decent human notion. You'd be doing nothing else all day.

    I'll be happy when this whole idiotic shareholder-controlled society will break through its own stupid walls and starts thinking about what a mess we've made of the commons.

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    I've been really happy with my PS3. I ripped a ton of music to the HD; between that and Blu-Ray, I don't actually play many games on it. Fortunate, since there aren't many out.

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    I don't think anyone here is knocking the products - Sony have a history of producing fine products like the playstation series, the first walkman - as I remarked in the thread starting message, DVD architect seems to be a fine product too.

    But LOOK at their contempt for the customer.

    The PS3 is a case in point - it does seem to me that the whacked on an HD DVD, and sent the price sky high purely to establish the format, in the safe knowledge that enough mug punters would fork out the eye watering price, and they will get rich charging royalties from anyone else who wants to use their format.

    And I still find the fact that even after all the grief from their rootkit they STILL did not learn anything to indicate that they are beyond hope. The next gen 'protection' on a DVD player is appalling, and if anyone thinking of getting a player, (including a PS3) , really should read up about it.

    They can revoke it's permissions, stop it working, change the system remotely... This is not YOUR machine, they clearly view it as still theirs to control, and theirs to decide how it will be used. You think they won't use that system to 'protect' 'their' intellectual property in the form of games?
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