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    Good God why is it always kiddy rape with some people? What's wrong with your brain that anything that you don't agree with suddenly gets you dragging such a hideous subject out of the nightmare regions of your minds?

    My pain threshold pretty much starts and ends at this line here, marked "Consensual". In terms of "splatter imagery" (I'm assuming you mean dismemberment and ultra-violent images) I'm not a big fan, thanks. So I can look at a CG naked woman and not have prurience boil over in my head. Wow. Hey, you know what? It STILL doesn't make me want to look at raped children. And as for "splatter images" I saw WAY too many during various atrocities performed for real all over the world.

    You should try my nightmares sometime.
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    Couldn't agree more Bog old bean.
    If you, GASP, don't mind images like this, people suddenly feel the need to compare it to raping children and other atrocities. As I said previous, I worry far more for the mental state of the people making such a sudden link in their mind than I do for the other folks. To me, they are the very people I'd be wary of, because in no way, should the two be linked and if that link comes so fast and unbidden, I'd suggest some therapy, good and quick.
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    Pornography and nudes are not the same thing, any REAL artist can tell you that. Sure, prepubesant boys might see both as errotic, but, porn showcases sex, nudes showcase the beauty of the human body. Besides, how "realistic" would a model be if it was modeled without reproductive anatomy?

    Is a male gynecholgist a pervert? I know a few and the answer is NO though there may be few who are but that is the same with everything. This is NOT an image of child abuse or of someone being gibbed, its an artistic nude and one done very well considering the artists experience.

    Look up "artistic nudes" on the internet and then look up "porn", if you can still honestly say its the same thing then you have no place on a forum dedicated to art.

    This thread is already WAY past usefulness.

    I have nothing against people who find this kind of thing repulsive, you have a right to think what you will, what I dissagree with is insulting a piece purely because you don't agree with its subject. If you don't like it then don't support the thread by posting in it. I'm sure you guys realise that you have just drawn more attention to it rather than shut it down. If none of you had posted here, chances are the thread would be dead by now. By making stupid comments all you do is brook arguement by those who DO like the piece. The sad thing is that if Infinity ever posted on these forums again he would now be viewed as contraversial instead of an artist. Give the guy a break, HE liked the subject and his last work was amazing. Almost every male idolises the female form and when it comes to modeling, the greatest challenge is creating the thing you find most beautiful, I give him 5 stars for trying and another 5 for how well it turned out. Its one thing to model a clothed female where you can hide poor UVs in the clothing, its another thing to model a nude where you have to have flawless seems and perfect textures for it to look good. The work involved in modeling a nude is far greater than that required to model a clothed model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colkai
    To me, they are the very people I'd be wary of, because in no way, should the two be linked and if that link comes so fast and unbidden, I'd suggest some therapy, good and quick.
    Hadn't thought about that. That really is bloody disturbing.
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    Reading seems to be a problem, too. I asked where your threshold of pain is and didn't compare the image with raped children. I gave an example and wondered whether you'll still go hip-hip-hurry or finally get some stomach aches.

    If you don't realize that the way the woman is depicted is degrading, and I'm the last one who gives a s**t about political correctness, than I'm not surprised.

    Like I said before: Why didn't he choose a guy with an errected dick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas M.
    Like I said before: Why didn't he choose a guy with an errected dick?
    Skipping everything that's phrased in a way that more invites an ejection from any given polite gathering than an answer, maybe he's straight and likes the appearance of naked women more than he does naked men.

    What, we all have to balance out every naked woman model with a naked man now? And you say you're not politically correct?

    I missed a memo somewhere, I'm sure of it.
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    Simple, he does not find a guy with an errect penis beautiful. Art is created to please its creator so naturaly the subject should please them too, yes? If a woman were making the arguements you guys are I would understand a bit more but even my wife reading over my shoulder says you're taking s##$. She says that its good that people make things like this, women have a body that drives men crazy and that is a tool she believes is there to exploit. God knows she leads me arround by the pants. Women mostly don't comment in threads like this because people like you see them as impropper for saying what they think. If anyone is trying to force females into a mold its people like you.

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    I hope infinite does see our reactions. Negativity is just as constuctive as positivity, there is a little bit of truth to what everyone has said here afterall, there doesn't need to be a supreme ruler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonwestmas
    I hope infinite does see our reactions. Negativity is just as constuctive as positivity, there is a little bit of truth to what everyone has said here afterall, there doesn't need to be a supreme ruler.
    Nah, but to be honest, some people have used this thread simply to push their own agendas and to perpetuate their constant search for an argument or an anthill to kick over. It's deathly boring.
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    That's true too Bog old bean. Except the part about it being boring. I also could have gone without the part about being buggered.
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    Yeah, I'm done here. I like the model and the renders and thats all I should have said from the begining. I just get bothered by intollerant behaviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas M.
    Why didn't he choose a guy with an errected dick?
    Are you saying that wouldn't be art either, or is it just nude females you have a problem with?

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    An errected anything has nothing to do with what the piece as a whole is trying to say, if it's saying anything at all.
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    Why is there such a problem on this thread about debating the representation of women in CG art? It's surely healthy that the issue of women being depicted as sex objects is being discussed in a largely male forum.

    The "intolerant" here are those who find it impossible to engage in constructive debate. In my own experience my female artist colleagues and friends are often dismayed by imagery they see as the product of "adolescent geeks".

    So how do I go about convincing them CG is a worthy art form when much of what they see consists of idealised images of women as sex toys (frequently with oversized mammalian protuberances dressed in flimsy "erotic" outfits?).

    The worship of technique shouldn't make the female form a taboo subject and no-one here is coming on like "Disgusted of Cyberspace" or Kenny Everett's Angry of Mayfair. Infinite's technical skill and generosity in sharing his ideas is beyond question and it would be unfair to derail his thread on CGTalk. He's produced some genuinely poignant images of the female nude - the sleeping girl image is a wonderful combination of composition and technique.

    The pure female form has always been one of the great themes of art. The Renaissance masters saw human anatomy as the ultimate medium of artistic expression.

    But... as soon as you dress the female nude in corset and frilly knickers with legs akimbo, no matter how skillfully the modelling and SSS is executed... there's always the danger it's closer to Benny Hill than Michaelangelo.
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    Well put, Bobakabob, though I do have to say we did have a bit of Disgusted from Tunbridge Wells, naming no names.

    As to the girl? Well, she's only wearing fishnets. Surely the known fact that stockings tend to accentuate the shape of the leg would at the very least make any dodgy modelling stand out?

    Anyway. Naked chicks. Let's be honest, if I wasn't a lucky, lucky man, then I'd be the same as a lot of guys who're marrried to their art. I don't get anything like "normal" levels of socialisation, most of my friends are art geeks, CG geeks, game programmers or gamers. Not really the most ... balanced... of crowds. ****, let's cut to the chase, a lot of us have girlfriends whose last name is "Jaypeg".

    So any post-adolescent construction of attractive feminity is probably healthy. **** sight healthier than convulsively modelling men with erect wangs because they're worried about keeping their Dong Quota satisfied, lest they be judged, or as a couple of disturbing people have mooted doing art of kiddies being raped.

    Now even just typing that last sentence makes me want to reach for a gun, frankly. Gahhh!

    Anyhooooo. I'm not calling us - as a genre - a bunch of sad geeky gits or anything. Maybe I'm just heaving a sigh of relief in being really lucky to have found a lass who's not part of that very extended family of Jaypeg (and their cousins, Giff)
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