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    Where is the User guide?

    It's OK for the Reference Guide but what about the User Guide? The attached file is still not appearing (There is the following message : cannot update user guide for some reason), so, we can't download it.

    Can you send it again? Thanks.

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    We've located the PDF of the User Guide now as well, and the links to both guides now get the complete PDF and not just a title page.

    Main LScript Reference Page:

    http://www.newtek.com/products/light...ipt/index.html

    LScript User Guide:
    http://www.newtek.com/products/light...tUserGuide.pdf


    LScript Reference Manual:

    http://www.newtek.com/products/light...tReference.pdf


    We'll also be making sure that this material is arranged properly in the next edition of the Help File, rather than being in the alphabetical arrangement by section name.
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    Whaaaaa!

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck
    The link to the LScript Reference Manual in our developer section is now working, btw - we've located the pdf version of the Reference Manual and have it in place now.
    OK... aside from the directory structure in the link, just where the heck IS the Developer section on the website menu? I'm looking thru ALL the dropdown menus and tabs for the Lightwave product and don't see anything called Developers.

    Please inform the web team to make this section easier to see visually as I'm sure there's probably (gotta be) lots more goodies there than a little Lscript manual.

    And, WHOOPS! When you go to the Gallery, POOF, there go all the tabs to navigate to the rest of the LW site. Not good. Same for Register.

    Now, if I go to http://newtek.com/products/lightwave/developer
    I get a forbidden error. If I add /lw80, I get a 404, same for adding each of the other folders all the way to the last one "/8lwsdk."

    Therefore, these direct links in these msgs appear to be the ONLY way to get to the docs.

    Now, aside from this, are these the same as the html versions provided with 8.0.1? If so, isn't there anything better, more comprehensive, giving more usage examples and better specs on when and where and how each function can/should be used?
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    I don't understand why there are two 'manuals' for LScript anyway! All we need is one clear, concise tome broken up into logical sections with an example for every single lscript command.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt
    I don't understand why there are two 'manuals' for LScript anyway! All we need is one clear, concise tome broken up into logical sections with an example for every single lscript command.
    as a matter of fact, there are three, if you count the HTML release notes, which you should because it contains ALOT of information not found in the pdfs. furthermore, there are still unclear functions that are otherwise not documented properly in the release notes. for example: displacement map PREBONE flag is mentioned once in the release notes to announce that it has been changed from BEFOREBONES. a search into the release notes *and* the pdfs reveal nothing to explain the existence of flag in lscript (though you can search the SDK docs for an explanation of it). i am wondering if there are certain features of lscript that are as equally obscured.
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    Well, there you go, my point exactly - it's all a big mess waiting to be cleaned up!
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    i think that the current reference docs have a good structure to them. i would say the same for the user guide. i think a combination would be best. keep the reference guide intact, append the release notes to their relevant chapters and then totally redo the user guide content but keep the structure similar, that is, architecture-oriented. experienced scripters ought to be sought for the behaviors and limitations of each architecture and information collated to form tips, tricks, techniques to best use each functin in the context of the architecture. while one can simply live on a reference doc and a handful of scripts to learn from, having real-world experience on how these architecture work is still more info in the pool of our collective lw consciousness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simagic
    OK... aside from the directory structure in the link, just where the heck IS the Developer section on the website menu? I'm looking thru ALL the dropdown menus and tabs for the Lightwave product and don't see anything called Developers.

    Please inform the web team to make this section easier to see visually as I'm sure there's probably (gotta be) lots more goodies there than a little Lscript manual.
    When you are in the Lightwave product section, one of the tabs is "Profiles" - which used to be labeled Comunity which made more sense given that more than just the profiles are located there - so is the Developer's section link.

    And, WHOOPS! When you go to the Gallery, POOF, there go all the tabs to navigate to the rest of the LW site. Not good. Same for Register.

    Now, if I go to http://newtek.com/products/lightwave/developer
    I get a forbidden error. If I add /lw80, I get a 404, same for adding each of the other folders all the way to the last one "/8lwsdk."

    Therefore, these direct links in these msgs appear to be the ONLY way to get to the docs.
    That isn't the case, but clearly we do need a site redesign to make everything easier to find. That's in progress.

    Now, aside from this, are these the same as the html versions provided with 8.0.1? If so, isn't there anything better, more comprehensive, giving more usage examples and better specs on when and where and how each function can/should be used?
    You must have missed this:

    http://www.newtek.com/news/releases/09-07-04a.html

    So, updated documentation is indeed in the works. I don't have an estimate on the availability yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt
    I don't understand why there are two 'manuals' for LScript anyway! All we need is one clear, concise tome broken up into logical sections with an example for every single lscript command.
    I'm sure that such a document would be sufficient for users already experienced with programming and scripting and with the structure and logic of LightWave, but for many other users approaching the prospect of beginning scripting for LightWave, having a reference manual, which fulfills the function you describe, plus a tutorial manual such as the user guide we've provided, certainly seems to us to make sense.
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    What i´d really love is a step by step tutorial that takes us from beginning to end of the creation of a complex script with interface,requesters,Layout connections etc etc.

    Additionally a simple updated list of all available commands.

    Now that would be something helpfull.

    I would even pay for something like that (hint to scripting pros)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB_3D
    What i´d really love is a step by step tutorial that takes us from beginning to end of the creation of a complex script with interface,requesters,Layout connections etc etc.

    Additionally a simple updated list of all available commands.

    Now that would be something helpfull.

    I would even pay for something like that (hint to scripting pros)

    i actually, once, had the patience to write something like that with a script called DisplayLayersMC.

    of course, the more complex something is, the more specialised the function (sometimes, that is).

    personally, i'd like to see a collated form of useful and hard-to-find UDFs (especially those math stuffs ) for use with LScript.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
    We've located the PDF of the User Guide now as well, and the links to both guides now get the complete PDF and not just a title page.

    Main LScript Reference Page:

    http://www.newtek.com/products/light...ipt/index.html

    LScript User Guide:
    http://www.newtek.com/products/light...tUserGuide.pdf


    LScript Reference Manual:

    http://www.newtek.com/products/light...tReference.pdf


    We'll also be making sure that this material is arranged properly in the next edition of the Help File, rather than being in the alphabetical arrangement by section name.
    This was posted in 2004. It's now 6 years later. LW10 has been released. The webhelp lscripts docs are still listed in alphabetical order (instead of correct chapter order) and the sdk still contains links to lscript pdfs that only contain a title page (instead of the entire document)

    For those looking for the original PDFs, they are here:
    ftp://ftp.newtek.com/products/LightW...tReference.pdf
    ftp://ftp.newtek.com/products/LightW...tUserGuide.pdf
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    And there are, as always, my docs which try to incorporate all the changes. i haven't included the 10 changes as yet, but here they are at the moment.
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