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    NDI Impressions from the Panasonic AG-CX350?

    Hi, currently looking at the Panasonic AG-CX350 and wondering if anyone here has any experience with using the built in NDI on this camera? Seems like a very attractive feature to have, in addition to the fact that the HDMI and the SDI can output simultaneously (among other stuff).


    Would love your thoughts on the NDI implementation (as well as the camera in general!). We use a TC1 in studio but would also probably use the camera for mobile streaming/shoots via OBS.

    Thanks!

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    I just purchased the CX350 and am still learning, so just a quick comment. NDI does work. Panasonic provides several output presets, but its(unsurprisingly) limited compared to the Spark, but certainly usable. My issue is it appears you cannot record when using NDI. When I looked in the manual before purchasing, several presets are listed as compatible with NDI for recording, but after trying it this morning with no success, I scoured deeper into the manual and found a contradicting note stating recording, IP control and WLAN are NOT supported with NDI enabled. I don't care about IP control an WLAN, but no recording support is surprising. I'm going to dig a bit deeper...maybe I'm missing something.
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    Are you saying you cannot record in camera (to SD card) if NDI output is enabled? If so, that's a huge negative.
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    Hi, checking back in after a few months of using 2 of these in studio almost daily. Awesome, awesome camera, and the native NDI implementation seems to be pretty good. I love the cameras, but yes, it appears you cannot record to the camera's SD card while NDI is active. The first time I tried to take the camera out of the studio and record something, it took me quite a while, as I didn't realize this limitation.

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    Also been using these cameras for a while now. One thing that kicked us in the butt this week was trying to pull too many NDI sources off the cameras. 1 you are good, 2 you might be ok, 3 you are flirting with disaster, and 4 well... forgetaboutit. Completely managed network setup so bandwidth on the network was there but the bottleneck was how many outputs the chips on the cameras could process out. We used a TC1 to bring in the cameras and create full NDI outputs from each of the Mix Outs on the TC1. Just grabbing the input copy on the TC1 is the same thing as pulling the NDI feed directly from the camera. Keep that in mind.

    It looks for some of our larger setups and implementations, a true NDI Processing router is going to be necessary. Doing some testing with the NDI Processing Engine later today to see if it can help. Luckily the spare TC1 was not doing anything this time around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PIZAZZ View Post
    Also been using these cameras for a while now. One thing that kicked us in the butt this week was trying to pull too many NDI sources off the cameras. 1 you are good, 2 you might be ok, 3 you are flirting with disaster, and 4 well... forgetaboutit. Completely managed network setup so bandwidth on the network was there but the bottleneck was how many outputs the chips on the cameras could process out. We used a TC1 to bring in the cameras and create full NDI outputs from each of the Mix Outs on the TC1. Just grabbing the input copy on the TC1 is the same thing as pulling the NDI feed directly from the camera. Keep that in mind.

    It looks for some of our larger setups and implementations, a true NDI Processing router is going to be necessary. Doing some testing with the NDI Processing Engine later today to see if it can help. Luckily the spare TC1 was not doing anything this time around.
    You might need to look at multicast for this. Many HX devices are using lower power CPU's so they might not take much to reach the max out what they can handle. Most HX devices will handle a few devices pulling a steam as once, but ultimately, how many it can handle is device specific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kanep View Post
    You might need to look at multicast for this. Many HX devices are using lower power CPU's so they might not take much to reach the max out what they can handle. Most HX devices will handle a few devices pulling a steam as once, but ultimately, how many it can handle is device specific.
    Of course Kane but doesn’t the outputting device have to have that capability? These Panasonic cameras has next to none control parameters over the NDI output. You can’t log into it from a webpage like the PTZ cameras can and adjust things. The only remote control functionality is via an IPad app but that doesn’t work if you are using NDIHX out. Doh!

    This has been one of many Gotchas we have experienced using them for shows. Have 8 of them out right now. Challenging is the nice word I would use currently to describe them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PIZAZZ View Post
    Of course Kane but doesn’t the outputting device have to have that capability? These Panasonic cameras has next to none control parameters over the NDI output. You can’t log into it from a webpage like the PTZ cameras can and adjust things. The only remote control functionality is via an IPad app but that doesn’t work if you are using NDIHX out. Doh!

    This has been one of many Gotchas we have experienced using them for shows. Have 8 of them out right now. Challenging is the nice word I would use currently to describe them.
    These are probably better questions for Panasonic.
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    We are looking very closely at these cameras also for use with our TC1. How's the image quality in general, and how's the NDI image quality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cuspclub View Post
    We are looking very closely at these cameras also for use with our TC1. How's the image quality in general, and how's the NDI image quality?
    I really like the wider lens in comparison to other cameras in their price range. The NDI image quality looks really good. The SDI output is better though. That is nature of the beast. Given the caveats we have identified, we will be using MageWell or BirdDog camera converters to get the SDI output into a full res NDI output. Overall good cameras with a good bang for the buck.
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