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    two newbie questions

    Hi,
    at first, im sorry for my english. If other kids are in school, i played games on my amiga. But i hope you understand what im writing. :-)

    im a newbie in lightwave. Im started with 3D for some years. Modelling with Shade3D, and rendering with DAZ Studio. And i hope, lightwave is the next step in 3d. But im only a little hobbiest.



    I have two questions.

    1.) I read often from the ODtools. Do you think it is better to learn lightwave basics, and then the Odtools, or its better to start directly with this plugin.

    2.) There are a long list with plugins in lightwave. And with some downloads, the list is getting longer. Do you have a tip to manage the plugins? Or is there a Plugin to manage this? :-)

    Im happy to be here:-)

    best regards from cologne / Germany

    kievi

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    While very useful, ODTools is just one of many commercial plugins you can buy for LW. It may be best to start out with the basic LW and then purchase plugins as you find the need. However, if you have the funds to start out with ODTools, go for it.

    As a new user, you may want to start out with the many free plugins that are available:
    1. Pictrix (a damaged web site but there are still ways to find the plugins ( https://forums.newtek.com/showthread...0-Pictrix-Dead and https://forums.newtek.com/showthread...P_MOVE-x64-bit )
    2. PLG ( https://www.lightwave3d.com/assets/p...try/plg-tools/ )
    3. Mike Green ( http://www.mikegreen.name/ )



    There are other discussions scattered in this forum where more detailed plugin lists are recommended.

    Here are some other tools for finding plugins:

    https://www.odroot.com
    https://www.lightwave3d.com/assets/plugins/
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    Quote Originally Posted by kievi View Post
    Hi,
    at first, im sorry for my english. If other kids are in school, i played games on my amiga. But i hope you understand what im writing. :-)

    im a newbie in lightwave. Im started with 3D for some years. Modelling with Shade3D, and rendering with DAZ Studio. And i hope, lightwave is the next step in 3d. But im only a little hobbiest.



    I have two questions.

    1.) I read often from the ODtools. Do you think it is better to learn lightwave basics, and then the Odtools, or its better to start directly with this plugin.

    2.) There are a long list with plugins in lightwave. And with some downloads, the list is getting longer. Do you have a tip to manage the plugins? Or is there a Plugin to manage this? :-)

    Im happy to be here:-)

    best regards from cologne / Germany

    kievi

    Hi Kievi,

    Shade nice App . So you model then alot look at 3dpowers plug- ins they are super addition to modeler

    I would recommend a 1st plug in purchase there !!!

    If you make alot of moving DaZ characters in animation then Rebel Hill plug- ins & videos.

    If make buildings then LWCAD plug-ins for modeler.

    Making big projects then OD Tools for sure

    Profession top video's anything by Emmy award Artist Kelly Myers @ liberty3d.com

    Good Luck!

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    I've been reading here for a while. Some have written that ODtools are so good that it should actually be intregated in lightwave.
    That's why I've specifically asked for ODtools.


    @raymondtrace Thank you very much for your answer and for the links. Some of them are new for me. Ill take a look :-)

    and the founds :-) ..either for ODtools or for LWCAD. I like architecture. I'll have to decide that. the other one has to wait a while. :-)

    @ianr another thank you very much for your reply

    Yes, shade is (was) nice. It seems to be dead. But compared to shade, lightwave is a monster. lightwave has much more features.

    And workflow is also completely different. But its getting better and better :-)

    Ill take a look to the sites you called!!!

    best regards

    kievi

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    As suggested above, you could spend a long time getting to grips with LWs native tools first.
    Dont feel you have to buy all the plugins available, if you dont need a particular tool.
    Last edited by Markc; 07-10-2019 at 11:19 AM.
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    @Markc
    hanks for your replay. And yessss, step by step is the plan. Im playing around with lightwave since 15month.
    And im doing a lot of tutorials. I think, the modelling part in lightwave, and the workflow getting better and better.

    But maybe my english is to bad for the question
    I know, that i only Need some Plugin, and not all :-)
    I would like to have a tool that manage all the Plugin. and sorted for modeller and layout. Only the Plugin list, that is not very clear

    kievi

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    one thing that ODTools is helpful for, is to remove quite a lot of annoyances that you'll find while working within lightwave. Thats really one of the reasons why I created them in the first place, not in just one area, but across the entire application, layout and modeler.

    IF you are just starting out though some of the systems/mechanism of ODTools such as the preset system or the organizational tools regarding project setup and configs might be more useful, as you wont "know" all the annoyances yet. Eitherway.. There's definitely something for everyone in it, large or small, no matter what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kievi View Post
    ...I would like to have a tool that manage all the Plugin. and sorted for modeller and layout. Only the Plugin list, that is not very clear...
    We all would like this.

    A fault with LW is that it is decades old and it has accumulated hundreds (thousands?) of available plugins. Unfortunately, the main plugin directory is not well maintained ( https://www.lightwave3d.com/assets/plugins/ ). It could be improved with user reviews, popularity rankings, and better version compatibility classification. If these features make sense, I encourage submissions of feature requests (Help menu->Submit a Feature Request).

    Until that time, we endure clumsy forum topics that list compatible plugins. https://forums.newtek.com/showthread...-List-(Tested)
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    Welcome kievi! While there are a bunch of great plugins to choose from there is also a bunch of great people on this forum and for my money I would "plug-in" to that first.
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    Hi,
    @oliverhotz ….godness:-) I think, you are not only a great Lightwaver and programmer, I think you are a great seller, there are some killer Arguments for your toolset. You win, if im at home today, i will buy it. :-)

    @raymondtrace I'll look at my selection according to my themes:-) But i mean the pluginn list in the modeller or layout.

    @Tim Parsons, thank you:-))) and yessss i know it. I think this is a great community, but im only a Little, old hobbiest...sometimes i think, this is not my league. My great respect for your work and know how.

    I hope, anybody of you had read, that im sorry for my english :-)

    kievi

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    Quote Originally Posted by kievi View Post
    [email protected] I'll look at my selection according to my themes:-) But i mean the pluginn list in the modeller or layout...
    Check out this documentation:

    https://docs.lightwave3d.com/display...boardShortcuts

    With each plugin, you can assign a keyboard shortcut, a menu entry, and/or a mouse menu entry. In addition to these, LW 2019 introduces the CTRL-SPACE hotkey, which allows you to type the name (with auto-completion) of a command/function.

    Each newly installed plugin gets dumped in the "Additional" menu. With the menu editor (ALT-F10) I move the "Additional" plugin commands to more sensible menus. It is easier to organize menus and hotkeys as you add individual plugins, rather than trying to sort through a pile.

    ODTools has so many plugins (500+) that LightWave has given up counting during installation...

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    ...However, Oliver includes a ready-made menu configuration file that you can import.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kievi View Post
    Hi,
    @oliverhotz ….godness:-) I think, you are not only a great Lightwaver and programmer, I think you are a great seller, there are some killer Arguments for your toolset. You win, if im at home today, i will buy it. :-)

    @raymondtrace I'll look at my selection according to my themes:-) But i mean the pluginn list in the modeller or layout.

    @Tim Parsons, thank you:-))) and yessss i know it. I think this is a great community, but im only a Little, old hobbiest...sometimes i think, this is not my league. My great respect for your work and know how.

    I hope, anybody of you had read, that im sorry for my english :-)

    kievi
    Its only you who can decide weather or not it is justified to invest some dollars in a software even though you are just a little hobbiest, and maybe dont have any big plans at all, Its all up to you and everyone should respect you for
    your choices, even though there are free software out there.

    As for plugins..I dont think OD tools are essential..I dont have them, but its my perspective..not yours and I may look in to them later.
    Personally I tend to do modeling session or layout session and see how far I can go before I discover I need some tool, not the other way around and look at what plugins do I need initially..it will come to you.

    That said...
    Dpont all stuff is Great and Free..though you should consider donating, his Rman textures for instance helps for gaining a larger arsenal of procedural textures for surfacing, bump, displacement as well as for using it with volumrtrics and clouds etc...
    https://dpont.pagesperso-orange.fr/main_en.htm

    All kinds of stuff from pictrix..if you can get hold of them.

    One valuable source of lot of videos covering various plugins to see what they do, that is the erikals youtube channel, he also covers a lot of mesh fixing editing...

    https://www.youtube.com/user/erikalst/videos

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    Hi and welcome.

    If you have some questions in german, please feel free to ask me with private message (is this possible in this forum? Ah yes, by clicking on the name...)

    Ich kann gerne auch in deutsch Hinweise geben. I own Lightwave since version 3.5 in the 90s.
    Greetings, Shloime
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    As for managing plugins: make sure, when you purchase a plug-in package that has lots of different tools, to also install the config file if one is included. this will usually put all the new tools in a nice organized menu in a new tab instead of just dumping them in the plugins list. You can also set up your menus manually. Just make sure to quit and restart lightwave when you are done, because lightwave only saves your config when it closes, and if it crashes you will have to do it again.

    Also, in general, as others have said, there are many tools cluttering lightwave that are very old and some of them aren’t really useful anymore. I recommend finding some good training videos such as Rebel Hill’s to get started so you don’t waste time on tools and workflows that are obsolete or just wrong. This is particularly important once you begin animating and rendering.

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    @raymondtrace another thank you for your Reply and the link. Ive buyed the ODtools now. i think i have enough stuff to study for the next weeks
    and best regards to your Amiga2500...remember when computing was fun :-)

    @Prometheus thank you very much for your Reply, and yes i think, its allright. And thanks for the link. I will take a look. Meanwhile i love the little tuts from erikalst. Short and great. thumbs up:-)

    Some time ago I started an animation Project. All Environment modelled in shade3d and rendered in DAZ Studio IRAY. But there are to many limitations. And now, i would like to see, what im doing with lightwave.
    But I have no time pressure. All i do is just for fun. And every pic, every modelleing, or every animation is a little Victory About my Health. I have something simular like Parkinson.


    @Shloime vielen Dank fr das Angebot. Darauf werde ich bestimmt zurck kommen!!!


    kievi

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