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    Alita's huge eyes fixed by making them bigger.

    https://www.slashfilm.com/alita-battle-angel-eyes-fixed

    Just came across this story. Well, I guess it takes a James Cameron to fix something the exact opposite way of what everyone thought and still pretty much make it work.

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    Interesting how that worked out. I found the eyes looked disturbing in the first teaser, and really didn't in the more recent material. Size itself wasn't the issue, especially for an anime robotic character, but conformation. Hmmmm.
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    people have extraordinary abilities to read eye expressions, so a tweak of 1 mm more or less has a Huge impact

    good to see it adjusted.
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    But it's still quite intersting that even productions at that level can "goof it up" in the first place....

    I think I once I read an article that James Cameron wanted to achieve some sort of effect and was told it was impossible, but Rob Powers stepped forward and showed him in Lightwave. I think it had to do with some aspect of VFX realtime filmmaking. Can anyone remember the source at all ?
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    That's interesting. I still have issues with the casting but artistically that was an improvement.
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    It could have been one of the items listed here:
    https://www.awn.com/vfxworld/rob-pow...nd-more-avatar
    https://www.provideocoalition.com/av...rt_department/
    https://www.lightwave3d.com/news/art...rt-department/

    As for Alita, it's packed full of high-detail CGI and tons of live-action/CG composites. Plus it makes good use of 3D. Definitely worth seeing in the theater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbrookes View Post
    It could have been one of the items listed here:
    https://www.awn.com/vfxworld/rob-pow...nd-more-avatar
    https://www.provideocoalition.com/av...rt_department/
    https://www.lightwave3d.com/news/art...rt-department/

    As for Alita, it's packed full of high-detail CGI and tons of live-action/CG composites. Plus it makes good use of 3D. Definitely worth seeing in the theater.
    I definitely enjoyed it, although they could have moved the story forward just a little faster; there were some parts that left me a wee bit snoozy.

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    I just saw it in the theater and for the most part I liked it. The only thing that disappointed me was the ending seemed truncated so they could setup a sequel.

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    I did not like the original eyes, but they fixed it, and it worked well. Still not sure it was necessary for her to have big eyes, since her eyes were big in the manga for art style reasons, not because they were supposed to be unnaturally huge. Still, it gives the character a "look" for the film, so it won't be confused with other films.

    The movie is definitely worth seeing. Lots of cool stuff, action and good performances. They followed the manga really close, which is great for fans, but it also did result in the ending probably seeming abrupt to non-fans. The movie covers about the first 3 of 9 volumes, so the story is just started. It gets better as it goes. Can't wait for the sequels.

    It's a lot better than the marketing made it look. The main character's CG is probably the best ever done for a character who is in almost every scene of a movie.

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    reminded me a bit of the LW 2018 sss render style...

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    I enjoyed this film a lot more than Wonder Woman. It's good to see an anime/manga well-adapted by Hollywood. Maybe we can get a Violet Evergreen adaption too since they accomplished the cybernetics to well.

    On the issue of the eyes, their use of another co-star helped explain it a little bit. I just put it down to stylistic approach with a minor back story.

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    I enjoyed this film a lot more than Wonder Woman. It's good to see an anime/manga well-adapted by Hollywood. Maybe we can get a Violet Evergreen adaption too since they accomplished the cybernetics to well.

    On the issue of the eyes, their use of another co-star helped explain it a little bit. I just put it down to stylistic approach with a minor back story.
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    I loved the CG, but the film felt a complete failure for me. The dialogue was an endless stream of really tired clichés, the worst of which was one character saying they'd never do something in the most emphatic tones brooking no argument, then doing that very thing 20 minutes later. It's not one I'll be adding to my film collection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeVee View Post
    I loved the CG, but the film felt a complete failure for me. The dialogue was an endless stream of really tired clichés, the worst of which was one character saying they'd never do something in the most emphatic tones brooking no argument, then doing that very thing 20 minutes later. It's not one I'll be adding to my film collection.

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    Christ, I know it's not easy to get film made, but I feel that this script fails like Ben has mentioned.

    There are truly, unbelievable 'car crashes' in your further enjoyment of the plot. There's no excuse other

    than Cameron will not take on any scripting advice as he has been in Emperor mode a long time now.

    I remember thinking that 'Avatar' in Plot terms was soo cliche and a very tired retread in development

    hell as a script. This movie has none of the pizzazz Rupert Sanders brought to the table in Scarlett

    Johansson's 'Ghost in the Shell'. In fact, I think that it has been 'laid down' in cellar terms since the

    original manga by Mamoru Oshii waiting for a Cameronesque gloss take on it, and it shows stale to me.


    BTW Do we know if Rob P. worked on pre-viz again, I didn't catch the credits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernie2Strokes View Post
    I enjoyed this film a lot more than Wonder Woman.

    I don't know why I can't go back and edit that post.
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    I'm wondering that myself, since Cameron said that "Team Avatar" worked on Alita.
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