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    'the write stuff' SBowie's Avatar
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    OK, here's what's what: it's fair to suggest someone might find a competing app could be helpful in dealing with a particular problem; it's borderline, but I let it slide. But we will stop short of tolerating the promoting of a competitor as a replacement for LW, which is clearly in violation of forum policy. Just a head's up ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBowie View Post
    OK, here's what's what: it's fair to suggest someone might find a competing app could be helpful in dealing with a particular problem; it's borderline, but I let it slide. But we will stop short of tolerating the promoting of a competitor as a replacement for LW, which is clearly in violation of forum policy. Just a head's up ...
    In reference to how we can use lightwave together with other software, using it to import to lightwave ..or use Lightwave to export to other software, where may this now be appropiate?
    Video Samples would perhaps be..
    • Bringing blender styled hair in to Lightwave for rendering in lightwave.
    • Bringing in blender fire and smoke simulations in to lightwave and use the new OPEN VDB and rendering in Lightwave.
    • Using Lightwave line pen tool for branch creation and exporting to Blender for use with skin modifier.


    Would this qualify as useful for lightwavers, 3d artists in general...or would it appear as offensive since it also is a competing product ?
    And if not..would that qualify and be best suited to post to in this case 1001 ways to use lightwave and blender together, and not really allowed elsewhere?

    Your thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by prometheus View Post
    Your thoughts?
    My thoughts are that I moderated the post AFTER your previous one (#15), because it basically explained why its author felt the competitor was better than LW, what it's price was, and a link to the site. That's a bit much ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBowie View Post
    My thoughts are that I moderated the post AFTER your previous one (#15), because it basically explained why its author felt the competitor was better than LW, what it's price was, and a link to the site. That's a bit much ...
    Yes..if you mean houdini tools, that I can understand, since it has no rererence in the sense of how to work with houdini and lightwave together, and the comment aftermath though understandable..not fitting.
    It doesnīt answer my recent questions though, which I brought up trying to avoid it being to out of forum rules, but then again..you may have to see it in order to make a judgement call on that...so currently itīs not necessary maybe.
    Take your time...I donīt got time to record anything of what I mentioned anyway for some days, summer is here in stockholm finally..
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    Quote Originally Posted by prometheus View Post
    +23 degrees celsius during days, not too hot and not too cold, it just reached us this week
    Nice.

    Sorry - I'm not going to take time to write exhaustive rules, for two reasons. First, I haven't got time. Second, I really don't think rules are an especially effective approach in the end. Mature consideration and discretion by those posting should suffice; in the odd case where that doesn't seem to be so, moderation will ensue.

    For the record, I cannot remember a time where I found it necessary to moderate one of your posts (if it happened just yesterday, by chance, blame it on only slightly premature senility). As a general observation, I appreciate that you make a meaningful effort to color within the lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBowie View Post
    Nice.

    Sorry - I'm not going to take time to write exhaustive rules, for two reasons. First, I haven't got time. Second, I really don't think rules are an especially effective approach in the end. Mature consideration and discretion by those posting should suffice; in the odd case where that doesn't seem to be so, moderation will ensue.

    For the record, I cannot remember a time where I found it necessary to moderate one of your posts (if it happened just yesterday, by chance, blame it on only slightly premature senility). As a general observation, I appreciate that you make a meaningful effort to color within the lines.
    Thanks...fully understandable.
    And no..I donīt think you have moderated me in recent times, but then again..hereīs looking at ya, could be premature senility.

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    All good, Just trying to help out a fellow artist. Hair in Lightwave is not where it needs to be. I didn't want someone to waste their time when there are "other solutions" available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudac20 View Post
    All good, Just trying to help out a fellow artist.
    You might consider a PM for such purposes, thanks.
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    SBowie.

    I am not jealous at you and I guess the mission as a moderator isn't a rose garden from time to time. But I would actually rather see that your action plan landed more in solving the problem of a dysfunctional program part that landed on inadequate teaching materials. That's the main problem!

    I donīt know your connections to the Newtek department of how educate customers to be better 3D artists. But a straight message to whoever sitting on the top of the Newtek group for 3D would be good for them to.

    I guess you never will be able to moderate away frustration based on the fact that Lightwave's technical team have missed to add understandable tutorials from head to toe that explains the program parts integrated in the 2018 version. Most of the external tutorial material are old and cannot be used because the core of Lightwave has been changed. Some of the material donīt tell the whole story and some is out of date since Lightwave kicked away third party developers like the DP- kit guy that has been a gold mine for the whole community. Do you really understand what a drag it is to learn from tutorials that are not accurate or possible to go all the way with?

    If you find a way and have time to communicate this problem with your fellow moderators where at least some of you have voices that Newtek will listen to seriously, please tell them about what I just told. Its obvious that I am not alone, there are too many of us technical "idiots" out here that are not able to use Lightwave's program parts because there are a lack of understandable video tutorials or similar guide lines that explains how to use them. Otherwise I guess this thread had been solved days ago and have contained a lot of usable solutions instead of silence, questions and talk about alternative softwares.

    What do Newtek expect from anyone who have payed for a software and are not satisfied with the learning material or ease of use. Today the material does not fill the gap between a software developers wet dreams and a harsh reality for a digital producer that needs to be up to date to be able to compete on a rough market. Think right and do right use to be a good expression for a bright future and hopefully you will be a resource that can help me and other users can to benefit from Lightwave to the full.

    After that I can guarantee you that NO talk would ever come up about other software in the same way it did!

    Regards, Jack
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    Even if things turned out in a strange way I have to thank you for the inspiration when I saw the workflow in the hair part of the software you told me about. I guess the developers at Lightwave should take part of that way to work to make Lightwave even better.

    About the PM suggestion from SBowie its not a big deal for me what ever we choose but I just have to ask this. Is this a new way of thinking how the forum shall be? I cannot remember that this have been an issue earlier but then I must add that I might have missed something essential in this matter.

    Is it really meaning that members of this forum are only allowed to discuss the advantages of Lightwave and cannot compare or mention other softwares capabilities that might be better in any way?

    Remember that I am one of few Swedish users in a part of Europe where Autodesk have more seats than Lightwave ever have dreamed about. I am no fan of Autodesk and praise that Newtek still let Lightwave be an independent sofware free from the big corporation AD. But I must admit that the lack of users makes it hard to get help from short distance users if you get stuck. So this forum is in one way the last outpost to improve and have fun with other in the same situation.

    sudac20 I will therefore thank you again for you inspiration and help.

    Piece by piece this old machine that's me moves forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudac20 View Post
    All good, Just trying to help out a fellow artist. Hair in Lightwave is not where it needs to be. I didn't want someone to waste their time when there are "other solutions" available.
    Curious

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    hi, quite a few FiberFX intro videos here >
    https://www.youtube.com/user/erikals...?query=FiberFX
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    since I am running on discovery edition for lightwave 2018, it means I can not save any scenes for anyone, limitations that I can not subpatch the object in the scene unless I do that in 2015 initially..which I havenīt done here, so the object is a bit hard.
    Used the "smoothie mixer" software to grow particle hair, then comb it a bit with particle edit, did just one fast one..not really focusing on it or making it especially good, just wanted to see how it renders in various programs.

    it was quite a lot of hair strands, 9870 fibers ( 2526720 edges) and it is very and too dense as to be effective really, using that many straight guides,and animating them...donīt think so, tried first to use OD tools and copy and paste..works, takes a bit of time..and it crashes when I tried to delete the base mesh in lightwave initiall, restarted and used the exported obj instead.
    to make the particle hair as hairguides, you go to modifier tab and click on convert , that converts it to a mesh which you can export to lightwave.

    The rest is a matter of just copying them as edges and paste them in a separate layer and delete the base polys, by doing this, you can use both lightwave 2015 or 2018 and it shouldnīt crash.

    Initially I have thought that Lightwave VPR refreshes too slow with the hair, I think I have gotten it a bit more faster now, it depends if you have had internet browsers on, or other windows on, the best way is to reboot and Only work with lightwave for vpr to behave decently fast...so no web browsers on, or to many other stuff.

    Check this album and it may be of use for you to steel my settings for the hair, various settings, and what kind of lighting and how you place it is crucial as well for good images, if you spend some time, I am convinced you can get very good quality images for hair, but it takes a bit more than what I have done here in Lightwave 2018, and I can only render out VPR draft due to speed reasons and avoiding discovery edition checkers, so aliasing not so good.
    I also like the skin ..at least for fresnel effects, having a bit of a more harder time to produce that in the other software, though the other software tends to be easier to use subsurface scattering for me.
    Itīs also easier and more realistic to use the area lights in lightwave to produce highlights in eyes I think, that I like.

    Feel free to rip fiberfx hair material settings from my settings ..if it helps, but itīs also about lighting, how I made the hair in the other software..I will showcase in another forum.
    but it was a bit impressive that I did no changes what so ever to Lightwave 2018 fiberfx styling, or hair amount or fiber thickness, just took it as it was from the import, and then changed the settings in the hair material a bit with diffuse, translucency, quilt specularity etc.

    Hair is errogenous, it is intersecting with the mesh..that is most likely due the child hair particles I used in the other software, and used some kinds, wave deformations..the original hair strands was groomed sculpted anyway in a manner that it actually collided with the mesh when sculpting, but as said..any child hair that is tweaked may be going in to the mesh if you are not careful.

    The figure at hand ..is daz genesis 8, not that fond of her eyes, of course..I didnīt attach any true eyebrows, nor eyelashes, and I think I may have messed the various eye mesh layers up in the other software, cause that needs a bit of changing.

    Check the album on google photos for all the images ....

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    erikals!

    A big thank you for your effort trying to get good results our of FiberFX. I see that you even use "trial and error" in a test version of Lightwave 2018 and gives you all respect for your passion in this field.

    I guess you've spent a lot of time to step up from basics to reach those results. I will for sure use these examples and tutorials to give FiberFX a chance before I give it up because to be honest I actually donīt have days, weeks or months to get into the depth of a part of a software that obviously have an interface that are not user friendly at all. Its now 2018 and I guess interactivity is not just a name. Meaning that Newtek still have missed the basics in how to compete and pull young generation of users into the Lightwave area.

    You are my hero and I thank you for sharing your skills. Now I am going to film a project and edit a documentary but are already looking forward for tonight when I am gonna get into your videos! Thanks again!

    Quote Originally Posted by erikals View Post
    hi, quite a few FiberFX intro videos here >
    https://www.youtube.com/user/erikals...?query=FiberFX
    Curious

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    As I experienced William Vaughn is like a God in understanding and sharing his knowledge with the Lightwave community.

    I haven't seen all of the video material you linked to but a a couple of years ago I went through a lot of the basics that he shared. There was only one problem, the old version of FiberFX failed so much I gave it up.

    Hope that the new one is better, otherwise, I say goodbye to the whole FiberFX idea!

    Thanks anyway and I will look through them later tonight!

    Quote Originally Posted by erikals View Post
    hi, quite a few FiberFX intro videos here >
    https://www.youtube.com/user/erikals...?query=FiberFX
    Curious

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