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    Modeling in VR is the future guys

    I've said this before, and I'll say it again - watching the tools advance over this past 6 months has been exhilarating.

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    Very cool. I'm in talks with an architectural firm that wants to up their previz game with interactive VR walkthroughs of their designs. The applications for this tech are far-reaching and opportunity is rife.
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    Once the "looking cool" mantra is passed, please genuinely help me understand what is so special about it in terms of modeling workflow.

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    When, for example, you're an aspiring architectural firm wanting to wow high zoot clients by giving them a memorable experience related to interacting with a proposed design? You might dismiss "looking cool" as trivial, but perhaps you undervalue something rather important.

    In another practical realm, I spent years helping design and develop interactive VR type graphical interfaces for cyber warfare. Think Gibson crazy stuff but that actually works. In the combat realm time to react is a critical link in a mission profile, and interactive reach-out-and-touch-stuff interfaces that are intuitive and shorten training cycles are huge.

    There are certainly many more applications but that's a start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinland View Post
    Very cool. I'm in talks with an architectural firm that wants to up their previz game with interactive VR walkthroughs of their designs. The applications for this tech are far-reaching and opportunity is rife.
    Totally agree, and you just gave me major insight into how this kind of tech will be transformative to artists and engineers, alike.
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    Many thanks Spinland. Wasn't dismissing as such, was just beyond me

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    Heh. It's all good, my friend.
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    Oh, here's another crazy-fun application: there's a local distillery here that crafts boutique vodka and bourbon. They're interested in a virtual 3D walkthrough of their facilities they can use to quickly train new hires.

    This stuff is so damned cool.
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    Yuuuup.

    VR/AR/MR is going to unleash so many unlimited possibilities for creation, advertising, education, ...... ?

    I hope to god there is going to be a LWVR option .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillon View Post
    I hope to god there is going to be a LWVR option .....
    QFA. In the meantime Liberty3D'S stuff (including some great discussions with Kat) has been pure gold.
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    There's not. At least not form LW3DG anytime soon. Meanwhile ModoVR beta is currently available.

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    I think this would be good if you had a way to rest your forearms.

    Something like this:





    Surgury is probably a good example because of the tedious work for long periods.

    Is there anything like this for these VR input devices? Like a work station?

    Would be cool.
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    This past week I had a few modeling sessions with Gravity Sketch and Kodon, and I leaned a few things.

    First of all, it is tiring on the Vive, you can walk around your object but it's faster to use the "grip" buttons on the vive to rotate (and resize) your model, but they are painful to use for extended periods. I understand why they did this, it's the standard way to navigate 3d objects and most other apps or games where you manipulate geometry use this same configuration. I read that the ergonometry and button feel is better on the Rift and it will be a non issue with the upcoming controllers from Valve or the hand tracking solutions that are out there. Having arm rests is not a complete solution for fatigue since using large motions is very useful at times. I didn't try modeling sitting down, but it's doable, if you shrink the model and work with it at a smaller scale.

    In gravity sketch the tools are limited but they work beautifuly, doing lathe or revolution surfaces is easier and faster than any other tool I have seen. The curved surface tool is very powerful but takes more skill than I had imagined. The limited amount of keys at your disposal also make for some odd choices, like double trigger press to add points to a curve. I guess in that respect it's no different than learning any new 3d app. It lacks sculpting, painting and shading capabilities, and that is why I also got Kodon.

    Kodon Is a fun and intuitive sculp/3d paint app, it's pretty much all it does but it does it pretty well. I'ts like 40 times easier to use than Zbrush, and you can get really nice results.

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    I think it is all about scale. Large sweeping motions could be reduced to a simple wrist gesture if it was scaled appropriately. The solution would be to be able to zoom in at a micro level. So it would be as if you were working on a miniature model rather than a full size item. Afterall how real is it that you'd ever be working on something in real world scale?

    In the real world you always have something to rest your arms on. Crafts tables, potters wheels, workbenches, all offer support. Even painters and sketch artists use sticks at times to steady their hands when placing them on the work plane is not possible or practical.

    Virtual Reality needs to mimic reality. No one works by standing and swinging their arms around with no support. Just never happens that way. Even mechanics can use the pressure of a tool for support. Hand support is the cornerstone of all crafts when it comes to posture and work practices.

    Unless VR embraces this in the interface tools, it may be virtual, but it ain't reality.
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