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    Article: Giving Back to Move Forward

    I wanted to share a new article I wrote for Pixel Fondue that just went live this morning. Check it out here:

    https://pixelfondue.squarespace.com/...o-move-forward

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    Thanks for the advices of contemplating the state of mind of sharing.

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    I respectfully disagree 100% with your article. I have been sharing my knowledge freely for 10 years and it has done nothing for my ability at all.... its only allowed others to use my original knowledge for profit with no sort of reciprocation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Charming View Post
    I respectfully disagree 100% with your article. I have been sharing my knowledge freely for 10 years and it has done nothing for my ability at all.... its only allowed others to use my original knowledge for profit with no sort of reciprocation.
    I myself find it useful to showcasing small tips, and I learn and understand the things better from that myself..though it is merely simple showcase tricks without any full tutorial.
    If someone makes profit of something you do and how you look at it as..good and fine, half full glass..or if you look at it as, blah..I would like some credit here...half empty glass etc
    I guess it depends on what you expect and what position you may be in..as well how much time you spend on it all.
    It may be easier for a teacher and educational guy like William to look at it this way, and it may not be for all.

    I suppose if you spend that much time as you do, and have such knowledge..sharing and spending so much time with it with the presumption you should get something back just like that may be too much, if you spend that much time and has so much skills on it..then go pro with it and try and sell them, if you donīt want that..I honestly do not understand why you would spend so much time ..and just expect something back from the community just like that.

    I wouldnīt spend half that time you do on doing the stuff you do and just expecting something back..without doing some work behind it, like selling it or marketing it with donations etc.
    The stuff you do however..is quite complex and extensive and time consuming, so I fully understand why you pulled it down, such stuff isnīt suitable for sharing freely really..I do not understand though why you donīt look at some options to share with donations or at least very cheap training.

    Itīs a balance..you need time, and you may wanīt something in return..or you may just be fine with whatever honouring you get, if you are in the learning business like William, this article is definitely for you..if you have something else for a business, it may not fit that good to your position.
    I sure would like to see some clever way of making your tutorials available to as many as possible..but also being able to be of benifit for you, and since you do not find it benifitial for your own skills as I perceived it, you somehow need to get benefit from it to soothe out the time you invest in it, maybe some introductions could be free with more advanced chapter with a little cost so you do get at least something for it?
    Time is money for many people.

    In my ideal world..my utopia, all knowledge should..is to be free, and if I could make a living on it..and without it costing a dime for anyone, that would be ideal..but that may be a fantasy world.
    But imagine how great it would be if everyone could acheive knowledge without costing a dime, wonderful...itīs a project that would be great ..if you solve the code to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prometheus View Post
    I myself find it useful to showcasing small tips, and I learn and understand the things better from that myself..though it is merely simple showcase tricks without any full tutorial.
    If someone makes profit of something you do and how you look at it as..good and fine, half full glass..or if you look at it as, blah..I would like some credit here...half empty glass etc
    I guess it depends on what you expect and what position you may be in..as well how much time you spend on it all.
    It may be easier for a teacher and educational guy like William to look at it this way, and it may not be for all.

    I suppose if you spend that much time as you do, and have such knowledge..sharing and spending so much time with it with the presumption you should get something back just like that may be too much, if you spend that much time and has so much skills on it..then go pro with it and try and sell them, if you donīt want that..I honestly do not understand why you would spend so much time ..and just expect something back from the community just like that.

    I wouldnīt spend half that time you do on doing the stuff you do and just expecting something back..without doing some work behind it, like selling it or marketing it with donations etc.
    The stuff you do however..is quite complex and extensive and time consuming, so I fully understand why you pulled it down, such stuff isnīt suitable for sharing freely really..I do not understand though why you donīt look at some options to share with donations or at least very cheap training.

    Itīs a balance..you need time, and you may wanīt something in return..or you may just be fine with whatever honouring you get, if you are in the learning business like William, this article is definitely for you..if you have something else for a business, it may not fit that good to your position.
    I sure would like to see some clever way of making your tutorials available to as many as possible..but also being able to be of benifit for you, and since you do not find it benifitial for your own skills as I perceived it, you somehow need to get benefit from it to soothe out the time you invest in it, maybe some introductions could be free with more advanced chapter with a little cost so you do get at least something for it?
    Time is money for many people.

    In my ideal world..my utopia, all knowledge should..is to be free, and if I could make a living on it..and without it costing a dime for anyone, that would be ideal..but that may be a fantasy world.
    But imagine how great it would be if everyone could acheive knowledge without costing a dime, wonderful...itīs a project that would be great ..if you solve the code to that.
    LOL, coming form the guy who wouldn't share a scene file of his sky set up. Its actually funny to read your comment, because out of everyone on here I consider you the most selfish with your knowledge... from what I have seen on here over the years anyway.

    All I am saying is his claims that sharing knowledge freely is beneficial is not MY personal experience.

    Also, I spend so much time doing this because it is my art form of choice. It allows me to express the things that go through my mind. Thats why I do it... I will be doing it till I die whether I ever make a cent with it.
    Like I said, all I am saying is that from my experience sharing knowledge did not do anything to help my own personal ability.
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    Edit: never mind.
    Salut!,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Charming View Post
    LOL, coming form the guy who wouldn't share a scene file of his sky set up. Its actually funny to read your comment, because out of everyone on here I consider you the most selfish with your knowledge... from what I have seen on here over the years anyway.

    All I am saying is his claims that sharing knowledge freely is beneficial is not MY personal experience.

    Also, I spend so much time doing this because it is my art form of choice. It allows me to express the things that go through my mind. Thats why I do it... I will be doing it till I die whether I ever make a cent with it.
    Like I said, all I am saying is that from my experience sharing knowledge did not do anything to help my own personal ability.

    Knowing you I knew this was bound to happen someday...I have always been able to communicate with you without you been disrespectful to me..and me probably not being disrespectful to you..but guess this is the day then..
    That is absolutly brilliant prince charming, because I was nīt keen on sharing publicly my scenefiles? then I am one of the more selfish one here on the forums?
    I have shared files privatly to others before..I have some scenefiles shared publicly..some have used it commercially without giving me credit even if they said they would

    Do you see me remove my small showcases on the tube like you do?..
    What side of the bed did you wake up here? I donīt know what kind of manners you conduct to communicate and get friendly with folks? If you think you will get more out of it somehow..you are definitly wrong.
    You should go and ask others here if they think I am selfish with sharing knowledge or not.

    If you consider keeping your hard work of stuff for yourself as being selfish..well
    How many scenefiles have you shared? I have some scenefiles shared before you know, but if you go for some of my declination of some requests here and judge it from that..then your full of ******** regarding that.

    I can share some files for helping, if it isnīt work that is typicly hard to do or require too much of my experience in some fields, and some other have recieived my files privatly because I may have shared something with them before, like you for instance..you have shared files to me..and I could consider sharing some stuff with you privately..but that isnīt working if you approach me with disrespect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prometheus View Post
    Knowing you I knew this was bound to happen someday...I have always been able to communicate with you without you been disrespectful to me..and me probably not being disrespectful to you..but guess this is the day then..
    That is absolutly brilliant prince charming, because I was nīt keen on sharing publicly my scenefiles? then I am one of the more selfish one here on the forums?
    I have shared files privatly to others before..I have some scenefiles shared publicly..some have used it commercially without giving me credit even if they said they would

    Do you see me remove my small showcases on the tube like you do?..
    What side of the bed did you wake up here? I donīt know what kind of manners you conduct to communicate and get friendly with folks? If you think you will get more out of it somehow..you are definitly wrong.
    You should go and ask others here if they think I am selfish with sharing knowledge or not.

    If you consider keeping your hard work of stuff for yourself as being selfish..well
    How many scenefiles have you shared? I have some scenefiles shared before you know, but if you go for some of my declination of some requests here and judge it from that..then your full of ******** regarding that.
    I didnt think your comment was any less offensive than mine. Also, if that was the only time I had seen you not share something I would not had said anything, but I have seen you act the same way many times in the past. I am not even blaming you for it. I totally understand why you are like that... I just thought it was funny that you were the one criticizing me for it in the previous post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Charming View Post
    I didnt think your comment was any less offensive than mine. Also, if that was the only time I had seen you not share something I would not had said anything, but I have seen you act the same way many times in the past. I am not even blaming you for it. I totally understand why you are like that... I just thought it was funny that you were the one criticizing me for it in the previous post.
    where did I ever mention and criticize you in the very first post I quoted you? maybe you perceive my "You" as personally you,, where I ment generally if one adapts a sort of state of mind?
    Oh..tell me where I did post scenefiles then ..rather then focusing on where I didnīt.
    If you cant find them I could get back to you and inform you.

    My post was never a critic against you, just some thoughts around what One may have as a state of mind and what One may expect...somewhere in that post you must have taken offense..but I donīt know where?

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    And this?
    " I just thought it was funny that you were the one criticizing me for it in the previous post. "

    I never criticized you for removing your youtube vids...that you got completly wrong.

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    Gentlemen, please. You don't need to share that much. You can argue in private and it would be fine. The article is not about you.
    Salut!,
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    But, they both sharing their views...for free.

    I did stuff for free many times but not on here as I'm more Modo than LW and never expecy anything for it, sometimes it's good to make stuff for free if you got tine and resources. Hell, I still do stuff for free, now it's called free pitching lol.

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    I also make a difference between finnished scene setups, where I really isnīt keen on giving away hard voxel work for others to use commercially etc, which has not much to do with learning how to work with hypervoxels, a setup without voxels as someone requested is quite pointless...why not just add sunsky themself, the scenefile with the voxel work I do not wanīt to share..itīs just a use mostly of my work, not something you learn much from.

    Sharing tips and tricks on how to do it is something else..and that I can gladely do if I got the time.
    So sharing scenefiles and sharing knowledge is something I rather keep a bit differentiated ..unless it is necessary with a scene object file.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prometheus View Post
    where did I ever mention and criticize you in the very first post I quoted you? maybe you perceive my "You" as personally you,, where I ment generally if one adapts a sort of state of mind?
    Oh..tell me where I did post scenefiles then ..rather then focusing on where I didnīt.
    If you cant find them I could get back to you and inform you.

    My post was never a critic against you, just some thoughts around what One may have as a state of mind and what One may expect...somewhere in that post you must have taken offense..but I donīt know where?
    It was not that offensive, but I dont really think I am a glass half empty type of person. I always just try to be as fair, honest, and happy as possible. Does not sharing your scene file make you a "glass half empty" person?
    I was not trying to be offensive either... I was just giving you my honest opinion. Did not mean for you to take offence, but sometimes the truth hurts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Charming View Post
    It was not that offensive, but I dont really think I am a glass half empty type of person. I always just try to be as fair, honest, and happy as possible. Does not sharing your scene file make you a "glass half empty" person?
    I was not trying to be offensive either... I was just giving you my honest opinion. Did not mean for you to take offence, but sometimes the truth hurts
    yeah..I appreciate your feedback, but truth is from your perspective and what you think you know...You always have to consider what you write and say, I know you often are frank, but I also see you painting yourself to a corner of being not polite..political correct, by being frank in a way that it may be perceived as non courteous or rude, maybe to fast to judge and react to strong on things?
    When you go out and write..that someone is the most selfish among all here in this forum, you should really take that in to consideration if that statement truly is true right? if you think so without any good assertments based on the feeling you have..you should really just shut up and keep it for yourself before you loose more and more respect by others here.
    Then again..you simply might not care..then I rest my case.

    I know Ivé been sharing scenefiles, and trying to help people out with stuff, and giving a lot of tips and tricks...so what You perceive as selfsish regarding my obstinance by keeping my hard work for myself as being selfish, that I do not recognize, and takes offence of strongly.
    So the question is if your response simply was because I must have offended you..or if your respons simply is a matter of long build up of recognizing me as selfish?
    Anyway...I guess I will have to take a closer look on what I wrote that upset you.
    I honestly donīt believe you on this..."Did not mean for you to take offence, but sometimes the truth hurts"

    And not sharing my scenefiles..no that doesnīt make me feel like a half glass person, should I release all my harddrive content for everyone perhaps? and if I am not..I am half glass person? weird.
    Ivé been asked for lot of scenefiles, some I choose to share..some I donīt, and it is my choice only, as it is for you to share your youtube vids..with knowledge and not scenefiles..itīs up to you and I would never consider calling you selfish for removing them nor has I.
    Itīs good though you do have a sense of self knowledge as your title prince charming says

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