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    Quote Originally Posted by PIZAZZ View Post
    So are you saying that you could use the TriCaster mini as a converter box too then?
    Sure, this would work. An NDI-enabled MINI, MINI SDI 410, etc., gets you conversion from 4 hardware sources plus 4 independent mixed outputs for a total of 8 NDI sources (4 straight, 4 mixed). Double that number of hardware inputs converted for an 860 or 8000 platform.

    Just to give some sense of how insane this is, I put together a composite showing the current source list available on the 460 on my desk (I had to paste this menu together, as you can tell at a glance, because it was impossible to fit it on a single 1080 high screen). Granted we arguably have an abnormal number of systems on the network, but there really are a lot of potential NDI sources for anyone (not just those that NewTek makes) and this gives you some idea of the potential.

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    Ok stop it. Hard to get some work done with you doing this Steve...

    I have been following along and thinking about some other IP based hardware/software concepts out there, StageBox for instance that is basically a Copperhead or Silverback camera back that transports over IP versus SDI/Fiber. I just had another Holy Cow moment... Universities and Schools no matter the size are going to be able to love this NDI architecture. Most schools have their network wired all over. This NDI transport will now allow the production team to grab their 4 cameras with a TriCaster mini and head to the Baseball field, Basketball arena, Chemistry class 201, Janitorial 401, anywhere there is a network jack... then someone back in master control with another TriCaster, a GFX machine, 3Play, etc will be able to completely switch the production from that master control location. That is huge guys HUGE! no truck to roll, barely a cart even for that matter.

    A centralize Master Control to rule them all. Just send out camera teams with TriCaster mini's as converters to NDI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PIZAZZ View Post
    Most schools have their network wired all over.[/SIZE]
    Yep, and colleges, prisons, corporate offices, hospitals ... all have existing infrastucutre that just gained a huge amount of ability; and consider the reverse: You've got a TriCaster online somewhere in the building. Never mind a (purely speculative) Windows app that lets you view NDI sources ... suppose you could hang an 'NDI multiview' on any wall with a network connection nearby ... how cool is that? Want more? Consider a couple of hundred ISOcorders ...

    Quote Originally Posted by PIZAZZ View Post
    That is huge guys HUGE!
    GAME Changing!
    Yep, I've been playing with this stuff for close on two years and it still knocks me over daily. I could go on all day. It's sort of funny that we have many other totally killer things happening right now that haven't even been mentioned, but NDI beats everything,
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    Make sure you guys stop by this Videoguys post http://www.videoguys.com/blog/3d-4k/...ion-workflows/ For a list of quotes from a small list of companies that are committing to supporting NDI
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    Might not fit the NewTek model but how about a 1RU or 2RU TriCaster like the TalkShow. 2 or 4 SSD docks like a BMD hyperdeck for media in front. One model only.

    Network inputs via a Switch. Buy one with as many ports as you need inputs. Can't wait for NDI to carry everything in one cable. Video, audio, tally, intercom, return program, camera control, and everything else a base station and CCU does over fiber.

    If you still need XLR, SDI, HDMI, etc. Build 1RU to 2RU breakout panel like the PreSonus StudioLive RM and sell it 4 input increments for soon to be legacy gear. Daisy chain as many as you need. 4, 8, 12, 16 channel inputs all running from the same TriCaster unit. TriCaster would recognize all the inputs and scale interface and multi-view accordingly.

    http://www.presonus.com/products/StudioLive-RM-Series

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    biggest concern to me is seeing a video source over SDI into a monitor & the same video source via NDI into a monitor. the quality difference needs to be the exact same. no loss.
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    Given that the goal, in part, is for NDI to stand as an industry standard alongside SDI, SMPTE 2022, etc., NewTek understood from the get-go that if image and audio quality was substandard we might as well not bother.
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    I would love to see the Tricaster support Axia Audio over IP so I can user thier xNodes so I can recive and send multi channels and get more channels in the Mini
    http://www.telosalliance.com/Axia
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    Can i change the SDI imput to be a network Input? The JVC 650/850 is basically a network camera and any camera with a Teradek is a network camera. So for us it would be great if I could change the the SDI imput to be a network input. Then the mini could be a 6 input switcher. We have started to look in to remote production over internet. so Cameras every where in Sweden but the controlroom in one place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metodisten View Post
    Can i change the SDI imput to be a network Input? The JVC 650/850 is basically a network camera and any camera with a Teradek is a network camera. So for us it would be great if I could change the the SDI imput to be a network input. Then the mini could be a 6 input switcher. We have started to look in to remote production over internet. so Cameras every where in Sweden but the controlroom in one place.
    A cursory glance seems to indicate they already provide some level of interoperability with Dante, which TriCaster already supports. I don't know the nuts and bolts of this stuff, but Telos (like NewTek) appears to favor interoperability and open standards. Their smart guys and our smart guys should probably talk: http://www.newtek.com/solutions/newt...r-network.html
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    What I understand you have to have a audiomixer that support Dante that send the dante to tricaster. You can not put a Dante stagebox strait to a Tricaster. Would be great if you could. Would be awesome if Telos Axia would support this in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metodisten View Post
    Then the mini could be a 6 input switcher.
    The 'old style' network inputs will be superceded on NDI-enabled Tricasters. (This will require updates for systems and devices that support the older network connections, but NewTek will make that as painless as possible for members of our Dev Network.) If memory serves, a MINI running an NDI-enabled Advanced Edition version will be an 8 input switcher, rather than a 6-input switcher. (Of course all things are subject to change, yadda, yadda, beaucoup caveats ...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metodisten View Post
    What I understand you have to have a audiomixer that support Dante that send the dante to tricaster.
    I think at present you just need a Dante device (such as a Dante mixer) on the network, as opposed to being otherwise involved in transmission ... probably for clocking. This said, my recollection is that this functionality could eventually be supplied by a piece of software, rather than a device.
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    I meant if you inside the Tricaster can re-route the HD-SDI/HDMI input to be a network input instead. For example, that the same tricaster Mini or 410/460, stad alone, can be a 6 channel network input instead of a 4 channel HDMI/HDSDI + 2 channel Network input. And at next production change back to a 4 channel HD-SDI/HDMI mixer. For us this would be much more useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metodisten View Post
    I meant if you inside the Tricaster can re-route the HD-SDI/HDMI input to be a network input instead. For example, that the same tricaster Mini or 410/460, stad alone, can be a 6 channel network input instead of a 4 channel HDMI/HDSDI + 2 channel Network input. And at next production change back to a 4 channel HD-SDI/HDMI mixer. For us this would be much more useful.
    I don't seem to be making myself clear, sorry. Let's try again. You asked if Mini could be "a 6 channel network input instead of a 4 channel HDMI/HDSDI + 2 channel Network input." I'm saying no, not just "6 channel". It will be 8 channel. All 8 inputs on an NDI-enabled AE version MINI - or 410, 460, or MINI SDI - can be either network inputs or hardware inputs at your pleasure (but of course you can only have 4 unique hardware inputs on a MINI).
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