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    Lightwave3d Presets Petition-sign now!! :)

    Hello fellow Lightwavers!

    I'm starting a petition to inspire Newtek to move the surface presets they have right now in LW from the 90's into 2014. Come on Newtek- 3DS Max, Keyshot, Modo,... to name a few- all have gorgeous library's of material presets, not just for surfaces but for enviroments as well. Meanwhile we are stuck with the basically same presets since version 8.. PLEASE hire some kick *** artist to make a decent library of presets so that artists can be empowered to create beautiful renders without racking their brains on the tehnical side of node based shaders.
    If you agree please putt your respective name under!
    i'll start it off!
    1.Milivoj Popovic (www.milivojpopovic.com)

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    Presets is the last thing I'm concerned about. I never use them and I've never missed them either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Every4thPixel View Post
    Presets is the last thing I'm concerned about. I never use them and I've never missed them either.
    Thats because the current ones are terrible. I second the need to update this! Newtek and 3DXYZ.pro need to work something so there is a comprehensive suite of presets. At least it will serve as a decent starting point.

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    Agreed Presets are a good starting point and especially useful for beginners or those in a hurry. Some are very old and outdated.
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    Presets shipped with specific materials are for artists that don't want to take the time to learn how shaders really work, not for a newbie learning. Surfacing is just as important, if not more, than the modeling, lighting or setting up a scene. If you want to see what artists are doing then you should check out http://3dxyz.pro/presets/
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    Yep 1,000% Dobra.....

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    Yes, I agree, I could need some actual presets too, especially with nodes (to learn from these examples) - I spend much more time with modelling...

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    Agree, what impression do LW newbies get when they see these outdated surface presets? They definitely don't show off one of LW's greatest strength which is nodal surfacing.
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    Count me in!

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    +1 , I can only reference what people submit....

    >personally I would like to see right click save preset to server > server then displays preset.

    you can do this via a shared dropbox account but not very practical.

    Presets could be good and could be better.

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    It's already been solved by something better than a preset library shipped with Lightwave.

    http://3dxyz.pro/

    These are presets produced by professionals and tested, plus the Library will grow with time and more contributions from users. Once you download the presets you have them as conveniently as you have the ones shipped with Lightwave.

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    I too agree. Make surfaces and textures more modern. LW3DG come on, you must know someone... somewhere... ;-)
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    Good presets are important for a modern app. the decade old plus presets which weren't even that good originally need replacing.

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    if you are an artist that wants to focus on modeling or want to focus on using lightwave to work on lightening or camera, cinematics etc, then you want to get to what interests you as fast as you can and not waste time on stuff which is ether out of your scope of interest or knowledge- even if you are an artist that does surfacing, a great preset is always a good starting point. This is the reason why a lot of artists have thier own preset libraries and not just for surfaces but also model library etc. It all comes down to is getting a great result as fast as you can and focusing on the creative aspect and your personal interest.
    If the setting is a professional one where deadlines are king, a sense of urgency to have a preset library of great surfaces that will dazzle the client and will leave you time to focus on other aspects of production grows even more.

    I see people mentioning 3dkyz- its ok but its not great. I know lightwave can do more and if i know it then you guys in newtek have to know it too. Aside from this, there is no reason why great surfaces should not be an ongoing Newtek pursuit to make their software show off what it can do, rather then to depend on what the community will create.

    All of this is just a mute point if you go to other rendering engines and 3d packages and check out their presets...do we really want to fall behind? and at what cost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by veljko-lemonade View Post
    I see people mentioning 3dkyz- its ok but its not great. I know lightwave can do more and if i know it then you guys in newtek have to know it too.
    agreed and they are fully aware, mainly because I moan at them most days
    yeah 3dxyz could be better and I also noticed a trend of octane presets which is something I didn't really account for , that said why would you want native LW presets when you use another render engine?.

    to be fair I think with Ken on the team you will see big changes , I know LW3DG will one day make Lwiki redundant and I would imagine at some point introduce a repository / asset store like Unity.
    which essentially leaves me up a gum-tree from a selfish perspective , but as a LW user it needs done and I welcome it fully.

    3DXYZ will never be the equivalent of a fully integrated / LW application , I could throw money at it and hire a python developer and bring more user functionality and build exactly what LW3DG should be doing, but again it will never go toe-toe with an official supported application.
    it's pretty much the same if I opened the presets database upto Modo or Blender users "thought about it a lot ", by default users will always pick the host app, however for the time being 3DXYZ acts as a holding and looking at the webhits it's doing pretty well and to be honest it's built around WP and literally was setup in a day and this reflects in the design.

    ideas are not something I am short on , it's time and money!
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