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    Fringe

    Does anyone know if Zoic used LW for that cell shaded sequence in ep of Fringe that just aired?

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    No idea, but I really liked the cell shaded part.

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    looked a lot like the way they made "A Scanner Darkly".
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    Yeah, similar to the Scanner Darkly filter, though obviously applied to 3D instead of film.

    I thought "The Look" held up pretty well...until cartoon Older Olivia appeared.

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    It was kinda okay, looked too cheap for me, and the animation/mo-cap at times was iffy at best.

    But, it still is my favourite sci-fi show, and so far most of the vfx work has been top notch.
    Too bad it wasn't a bit weirder, they where tripping on LSD after all (should have been more like : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IcViGcYlio
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    I thought it was horrendous:
    1) Nimoy didn't really resemble 'himself' (nose was esp. bad).
    2) Walter didn't have any feeling of age about him.
    3) Cartoon Olivia was just terrible.
    4) What the hell was the (narrative) point?

    A real failure of producing, if you ask me. Not enough time or resources assigned to the task (I hope).

    It was as bad as one of those Geico commercials where the point is that they are bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeric_synergy View Post
    I thought it was horrendous:
    1) Nimoy didn't really resemble 'himself' (nose was esp. bad).
    2) Walter didn't have any feeling of age about him.
    3) Cartoon Olivia was just terrible.
    4) What the hell was the (narrative) point?

    A real failure of producing, if you ask me. Not enough time or resources assigned to the task (I hope).

    It was as bad as one of those Geico commercials where the point is that they are bad.
    1) Agreed. The lines were there but should have been hyper-exaggerated.
    2) Agreed. Likewise. Maybe they did not want to offend the actors?
    3) Agreed.
    4) I guess the point was that Olivia mentally retreated to her child "Saturday morning cartoon" self. In which case, she should have become real as soon as she faced her fear...

    Actually, I think that was merely the "excuse". The real reason was likely budget. Producing the sequence as a toon trip was far more cost effective then filming live action zombie swarms etc...

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    The real reason is that Nimoy has retired from acting, hence all the work-arounds this season when dealing with the William Bell character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris S. (Fez) View Post
    4) I guess the point was that Olivia mentally retreated to her child "Saturday morning cartoon" self. In which case, she should have become real as soon as she faced her fear...

    Actually, I think that was merely the "excuse". The real reason was likely budget. Producing the sequence as a toon trip was far more cost effective then filming live action zombie swarms etc...
    Instead it looked like a crap video game circa 1999.

    Conceptually, it had potential. In execution, craptastic. I don't know why I watch the show, it's horrendous. How did "The X-Files" feel so much bigger on a much smaller budget?

    The best line this season was Peter's: "They're not even human."
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    Don't forget that it played in Olivia's head. Her representation of the characters could be different than real life .

    I noticed the lines sometimes dissapearing, specially on the chin.

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    Just for clarification: If I'm not mistaken, A Scanner Darkly, and all those Charles Schwab commercials are all hand "animated", drawn over film, frame by frame, rather than putting existing film through a filter.

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    I thought Scanner Darkly was a brute force toonshaderishy thing that was done in AE or something equivalent.

    Anyway, about Fringe, I didn't think the 3D sequence wasn't badly done for a TV show one off. I've been working in television cartoons for almost a decade and I would think it would be pretty hard to push that out (assuming they had similar deadlines to what I'm used to) going the 3D route. I'm mostly in the land of Flash for the shows I do, so the workflow is obviously different (I try and use AE and LW whenever I can because they work a lot better but, that's another story) so I can't really comment on how long it would have taken a small crew of animators to pull that off.

    I was ok with the stiff animation and kind of "off" models because I'm sure they really had no time to really do a proper job of it given the time. The thing that I was most disappointed with was the staging / boarding. I thought the roof top fight was a really good example of this. I'd really just like to know if they did the modeling in LW, animate in Maya and render in LW that I hear Zoic does a lot of the time, or did they produce it differently.

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    According to 3DWorld it's mostly Maya and took 6 weeks: http://www.3dworldmag.com/2011/04/21...on-for-fringe/

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    Maya was the key tool used on the project, which took 6 weeks to complete.

    Is this the usual Autodesk (you can't mention any other software being used) spiel? I don't recall seeing anything in the sequence that couldn't be done in any of the other big packages.

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    Ugg. Now that I look at the stills, I like it EVEN LESS.

    If the idea was to convey "Saturday Morning Cartoons", they failed miserably.
    They only call it 'class warfare' when we fight back.
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