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    Creator of the Strange Skinner3D's Avatar
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    another trick of the trade that I need taught to me :D

    The attached image shows as far as I have gotten with my current model. I used splines and patching for the basic shape, then subdivided it to get the extra geometry I needed for details.
    Is there a way to decrease the density of the mesh now? It just seems like I could clear out a lot of the excess polygons. I tried both Polygon reduction functions, but one turns it into tris, and the other creates holes in the mesh.
    It just seems like creating/joining the body to my head mesh is going to be difficult with that dense mesh.
    In hindsight I think that I should have tried to model the whole model, then subdivided it, but I have to work with what I have done
    thanks in advance
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    Cool looking head but not to be a downer I think your polyflow needs to be revisited. Your eyes and mouth areas don't look to lend themselves to easy animation.

    Look at this wireframe:
    http://newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107736

    You want those mouth and eye areas to use loops.

    I would use the head that you have now as a reference and rebuild the mouth and eyes areas. Once those areas are well modeled/defined you could then build out to the rest of the head. This way you can control how dense your mesh gets. It looks like you started with a box and kept cutting and beveling to add resolution.

    The head looks cool though.

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    One good side effect of the current geometry flow is that it's extremely bandglueable. You should have no problem eliminating 2/3 of the polys with just bandglue.

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    Don't use splines waste of time start with a box well actually start with what you like but anything but splines, yup a lotta people will disagree with that but life's too short for splines, How to get rid of the excess, – 1 Bandglue would be first thought (under 'Construct' tab<Reduce<More) just select a polly from each of the two adjacent rows you want to merge into one and hit the button. – or 2 try Dissolve (from the same menu strip) it will dissolve the border between two adjacent pollys or any number that are adjacent to one another you care to select.

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    Im going to disagree strongly about the splines.
    Like anything else using them properly gets good results.
    Generally with splines I notice that sometimes people use too many. I keep it simple and patch with very few polys.
    Later Ill rely on subpatches and other tools to add in the details.
    My first goal with spline is to get the basic form and flow and then detail using subpatches.
    Its easier to build up to the details that way then to try and reduce details after that fact.

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    Yup it was you I had a mental image of at the back of my mind as I wrote that, each to their own I guess.

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    Anything that is a deeper pocket like eyes and mouth need to have circular edge-loops in key areas. Otherwise you are not going to be able get smooth transitions and detailed creases between polygons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SplineGod View Post
    Im going to disagree strongly about the splines.
    Like anything else using them properly gets good results.
    Generally with splines I notice that sometimes people use too many. I keep it simple and patch with very few polys.
    Later Ill rely on subpatches and other tools to add in the details.
    My first goal with spline is to get the basic form and flow and then detail using subpatches.
    Its easier to build up to the details that way then to try and reduce details after that fact.
    absolutely agreed, I find that its the most intuitive and logical way to start something complex like a head, once the patching is done I can start refining the mesh and even create a body via edge extrusion. For less complex parts like feet and hands, point by point/detail up or even box modeling is fine.. imho

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerry_g View Post
    Don't use splines waste of time
    Well that's incredibly bad advice. I use them similarly to splinegod. For patching out the basic shape and to get a nice curvature with good polyflow. Patch them with a low amount of polygons and then do your typical subdivision modeling.

    I also wouldn't use them on an organic mesh like this. They work best for flowing mechanical models. Like cars etc...

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    :agree:

    Splines and nurbs are very useful for both hard and soft body object creation. I don't leave home without 'em.

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    LOL thanks all for the help

    nickdigital - I hadn't even thought about animating it facially, but I see what you mean about that poly flow. It might be worth restarting this project.

    Ernest and gerryG - Bandglue is exactly what I was looking for in this scenario. I knew I was missing something easy

    I have done point by point modeling /extrusion, but seeing as my last project was a kayak and I used splines, I just sort of extended that method to this project

    Well its back to the thought board for me to see which of these methods will be most effective for this project
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    For that kind of model you may want to look at 3D Coat. Using displacement mapping
    for detail, instead of geometry. Great looking model.

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    3D coat would be really nice right now, but I am a little short on the cash end of things
    That and FPrime are the next two softwares that I really need to get at some point.
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