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    Quote Originally Posted by shrox View Post
    A party! With no bedtime!

    Honestly I don't know, but I believe it to be very good. But if it looked like that scene in "Brainstorm", that would be cool.
    Sounds great, but since none of my friends or family would be there...

    (Which scene btw?)
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    Yeah the party will have to go on without me as I deny the holy spirit. And that's one sin even jc can't ever take for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jameswillmott View Post
    Sounds great, but since none of my friends or family would be there...

    (Which scene btw?)


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXt0_rD_D2Q

    About six minutes in. I have no idea how "accurate" the vision is, but it's sure pretty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_RB View Post
    Yeah the party will have to go on without me as I deny the holy spirit. And that's one sin even jc can't ever take for me.
    Why deny such?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrox View Post
    Why deny such?
    Lack of evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_RB View Post
    Lack of evidence.
    Show me a boson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_RB View Post
    I think this christian woman just got her ideas from the Pentateuch, the author's intent being quite clear in places, particularly Leviticus 18:22.
    Ah, yeah, but that goes the direction of grabbing one tiny thing and throwing everything else out. Like the bathwater, and the baby.

    The best reference for timing that I've heard was based around when John the Baptist's mother was pregnant at the same time as Mary. This put the birth around September I think it was. Far enough away to not be December at least.

    But my favorite bible hot issues are it never says that Adam bit an apple, nor does it say three wise men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigHache View Post
    ...nor does it say three wise men.
    Three kings, and one would think they would have an entourage and guards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_RB View Post
    Lack of evidence.
    Lack of evidence isn't the problem, it's how both 'sides' choose to interpret the 'evidence' of the other side... the great debate about religion isn't whether it's true or not, but why some people choose to accept the evidence for or against, and some people don't, and neither side can understand why the other can't see their point of view... it's all about interpreting what any particular fact 'means'... and it gets messy...
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    The bothersome thing about Christianity is the dishonesty in the implied threat that underlies the advice to use your free will to choose to believe it, but to choose wisely. Meaning, according to the belief system itself, there's really only one choice after all, and all others are condemned. So all the talk about being tolerant of other beliefs is disingenuous, because you can't be both tolerant and condemning at the same time.

    I'm agnostic, so I choose not to choose.

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    If God is all knowing, could he not then calculate the trajectory and velocity of each particle in the universe, each possible interaction they could have, and thus know the "future", but yet allowing us to have free will?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalodon View Post
    Actually... it IS lack of evidence. There are no true surviving records of the ORIGINAL letters that made up the Bible. There are so many inconsistencies and discrepancies that there is no way to know precisely what was originally written. That... and the pick and choose attitudes of those who assemebled these letters... do not allow for any real truth. Check out "Misquoting Jesus" - which is just one of many books that deal with the actual Bible itself. It is utterly amazing how many items have been altered/added/removed from the various documents.

    And then of course there is the problem you state as well - interpretation. ANOTHER can of worms.
    Inconveniently true...but true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalodon View Post
    I would believe yes. KNOWING the future does not remove the free will of others - at least I would think not.
    See newcomb's paradox on the effect on choice of The existance of a predictor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalodon View Post
    I am agnostic too. IMO... you cannot KNOW one way or the other, therefore either side is possible. I also agree about the "choice" thing. To me, the choice is like holding a gun to someones head and saying... "Now if you tell me you believe in me, I won't pull this trigger and you will live forever. But if you choose NOT to believe in me... you'll die and be dead forever. But really... you DO have the choice."

    Gotta be careful... this is getting into the infamous "Church Thread."
    What sides are you talking about. Talking snake vs flying horse? Father son zombie cannibal vs xenu and his interstellar 737's. . Or are all of those equally on one side?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_RB View Post
    See newcomb's paradox on the effect on choice of The existance of a predictor.
    I believe God to be "outside" the universe. It tends to physically deteriorate in his presence...whatever you do, don't look at the light!

    I believe his form to be that of a man, but not old, a man in his physical prime, but not flesh and bone.
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