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    yup, terrible animation... UTTERLY awful deformations...

    and all done in LW in brighton...

    I sense a studio in need of a good LW character operator...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RebelHill View Post
    yup, terrible animation... UTTERLY awful deformations...

    and all done in LW in brighton...

    I sense a studio in need of a good LW character operator...
    should have used mo cap...or just a few more people animating...must have been bottom of the barrel budgets...they must have really been pushed for time
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    Quote Originally Posted by cresshead View Post
    should have used mo cap...or just a few more people animating...must have been bottom of the barrel budgets...they must have really been pushed for time
    Two things: character designers, character animators. There are plenty good folks available to do this stuff, but you do need to pay for it. Given the popularity of Dr. Who, shame on the BBC for (apparently) cheeping out on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalodon View Post
    I have to agree with that. But then, that's the norm for today - "just give me something and I'll pay you crap - though I DO expect it to be good."
    That's so true. In my town they want free animation proofs for everything, quick and with good quality.

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    I suspect the job was awarded on something flaky such as the fact the model is recognisable as David Tennant.
    Many many people dont really understand what animation actually IS. Even film reviewers often use the word 'animation' to really mean CGI in general, encompassing rendering, texturing etc.
    I've had this recently. I made an animated test of something. The clients loved it, but, not really understanding what they were looking at, thought that it was the model that was great..
    The model was pretty basic, but the rig and the animation MADE it look great

    I'm pretty sure this thing was commissioned based mainly on stills and designs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pooby View Post
    I suspect the job was awarded on something flaky such as the fact the model is recognisable as David Tennant.
    Many many people dont really understand what animation actually IS. Even film reviewers often use the word 'animation' to really mean CGI in general, encompassing rendering, texturing etc.
    I've had this recently. I made an animated test of something. The clients loved it, but, not really understanding what they were looking at, thought that it was the model that was great..
    The model was pretty basic, but the rig and the animation MADE it look great

    I'm pretty sure this thing was commissioned based mainly on stills and designs.
    Agreed, and they stated in the making of video on youtube how they wanted a "cel-shaded look." I would have preferred a more stylized "Up" look myself.
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    Wow, can't believe someone got payed for this drivel.

    And here i though SciFi, sorry, SyFy, was cheap.
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    just stumbled on this w.i.p. vid...looks much bette than the dreamland vids.

    http://www.plazmadesign.co.uk/DrWHO.html
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    finally saw this and erm.. yeah

    makes Clone Wars look like pixar.

    Shame you can see lightwave in one of the making of videos specific to character animation. Only gonna fuel LW's detractors

    Guess this is one we won't see in the Newtek newsletter.

    I guess because it was really only for the website then they didn't bother with much of a budget but I think it's a shame that the Beeb felt they could fob kids off with this level of quality. Maybe they blew the budget on the voice actors

    That said it's a 45 minute animation with a very small team and from the blog it looks like it was completed in just a couple of months so there were always going to be shortcuts.

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    Im sure Ive seen someone post here that works for the company that made this ! and I also think LW was involved .

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnlineRender View Post
    Im sure Ive seen someone post here that works for the company that made this ! and I also think LW was involved .
    oh dear well I hope they're not too depressed or offended by the criticism in this thread

    I guess it's important to remember that there are all sorts of reasons (time and budget restrains) that may have contributed to the end result leaving a fair bit to be desired.

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    you can read about the making of blog here>>

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho...ation/2009/10/

    i think if they used motion capture rather then stiff hand animations it could have been alot better...

    i can see they probably looked abit at japanese anime where they have limited movements but this does not transfer well to a full 3d scene...we're okay looking at a non moving 2d image but a 3d image just feels 'off' and the very 'stiffness' of the movements is really not nice to watch..

    the lip sync is okay and the models also are okay, the lighting is not bad but not good...probably a trade off for the render times being kept low as well as the set up.

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    So what's the consensus? Story/writing tolerable if not the deformations?

    Any downloads for US fans or should I skip it and just wait for Christmas episode?

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