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blacksmith
05-01-2009, 10:45 AM
As we might know or not politics and religious talks are usually forbidden in CG related forums. However, Newtek forums are quite frequently a host for such discussions and they more often than not ending disastrously.

As far as it goes, moderators sometimes lock the threads containing such topics. Many times in past some good threads got locked for getting extremely off topic and usually very disturbing in nature.

Now, to set it straight, this is about whether or not mods do their job well, of course.

It merely a vox populi, opinion poll whether or not Newtek product users think it's appropriate to have discussions like these in forums like these.

shrox
05-01-2009, 10:51 AM
Are the forums necessary?

OnlineRender
05-01-2009, 10:55 AM
Are the forums necessary?

hell ye i wouldnt have anything to do otherwise , hmm wait maybe i would see more of the world , rather than from my pc , who cares i have google street view :

ye there needed , ive learnent alot from here

AdamAvenali
05-01-2009, 11:06 AM
are more threads asking if political and religious threads are necessary necessary? :D

hrgiger
05-01-2009, 11:08 AM
I'm going to have to say no to the political and religious discussions.

akademus
05-01-2009, 11:30 AM
Are the forums necessary?

Forums are essential for learning new things and sharing experiences, at least for me.

So I go to NT forum to talk about LW. I go to Zbrush Central to talk about various aspects of Zbrush and so on.

That is whats in stake here.

I vote NO, too.

IMI
05-01-2009, 11:32 AM
I'm going to have to say no to the political and religious discussions.

Why, who's making you do that?
You're no fun anymore man, ever since you went HardCore. What ever happened to that XSI Rebel I used to look up to? ;)

IMI
05-01-2009, 11:35 AM
Are the forums necessary?


Good point.
Is *anything* beyond food, clothing, water and shelter really necessary? Is CG necessary?

I voted "maybe".


Edit: I changed my mind and voted Yes. Absolutely necessary. :)

OnlineRender
05-01-2009, 11:37 AM
you might aswell have made a poll , asking are polls a good thing ? :) no exactly strong evidence :P

geothefaust
05-01-2009, 11:39 AM
While I get a little annoyed with religion and politics on this forum, I believe it doesn't belong in any of the areas we have here.

However, it will keep cropping up unless the ban stick starts hitting people over the head... OR, there is an Off Topic section.

I voted NO.

akademus
05-01-2009, 11:40 AM
you might aswell have made a poll , asking are polls a good thing ? :) no exactly strong evidence :P

Yeah, like the poll for Ajax viewer :D

But, it is a good way to know what people are thinking.

IMI
05-01-2009, 11:40 AM
you might aswell have made a poll , asking are polls a good thing ? :) no exactly strong evidence :P

Perhaps first a poll to determine how many people think polls are useful, before poll results on a poll could be taken seriously enough to have said poll...

adamredwoods
05-01-2009, 11:45 AM
This poll is only contributing to the posting pollution.

ted
05-01-2009, 11:47 AM
And yet you add another one. :D
I don't see it as a problem at all. Most of us stay civil, many of us participate. We all know each other and enjoy the conversation. There are times the opposing view helped shape my own opinion, sometimes stronger, sometimes softer. :question:
It's like life, participate in what you want and stay the heck out of what you don't. As long as they don't bring you into it you shouldn't be bothered.
JMHO. :thumbsup:

UnCommonGrafx
05-01-2009, 11:59 AM
sURE THEY ARE. lOOK AT THIS ONE.

Mike_RB
05-01-2009, 12:05 PM
I say turn the other cheek to threads you don't like.

jasonwestmas
05-01-2009, 12:07 PM
I don't care, I'm not a purity policeman. I read whatever I want to read and let others do the same.

RollerJesus
05-01-2009, 12:09 PM
Do unto political threads as you want them to do to you. Maybe I'll put that in my signature.

Nicolas Jordan
05-01-2009, 12:10 PM
Although I find religion and politics relevant to our lives and the world we live in I don't think they have a place in these forums unless there is a section specifically for religion and politics where people that enjoy discussing that stuff can continue to endlessly hash it out with out interfering with others that only come to these forums for things relevant to Lightwave and 3D.

Mike_RB
05-01-2009, 12:20 PM
...enjoy discussing that stuff can continue to endlessly hash it out...

Well, either the sun will expand and consume the earth in 7 billion years, or a god or messiah will call 'endgame' and wrap things up. So either way it won't be endless hashing... just to keep this on topic. :)

IMI
05-01-2009, 12:29 PM
Well, either the sun will expand and consume the earth in 7 billion years, or a god or messiah will call 'endgame' and wrap things up. So either way it won't be endless hashing... just to keep this on topic. :)

Well for all intents and purposes, 7 billion years pretty much is endless. I guess unless you happen to be there at the time. ;)


Looks like yea and nay are almost tied. What does the winner get?

Nicolas Jordan
05-01-2009, 12:33 PM
Well, either the sun will expand and consume the earth in 7 billion years, or a god or messiah will call 'endgame' and wrap things up. So either way it won't be endless hashing... just to keep this on topic. :)

Ya, I guess your right about that. Something is bound to put an end to it at some point. :D

4dartist
05-01-2009, 12:44 PM
I figure these forums are like a community who all works in the same field. Sometimes you talk shop, other times you talk about other things. You get your variety of characters, helpful pros, new people seeking help, people who think they know everything, our fun loving trolls, people who post useless comments on every thread to raise their post count, etc, etc...

It's the same with almost every forum, if you don't like politics don't read politics threads, if your thread gets taken over by political talk, hopefully a mod can set it back on track.

ramccombe
05-01-2009, 12:57 PM
Necessary, probably not. Should it be allowed? Absolutely!!! although I think they should be confined to the forum labeled "General Discussions".:hammer::2guns:

Larry_g1s
05-01-2009, 01:01 PM
I say turn the other cheek to threads you don't like.Thank you Mike. It's really that easy. People either need to not be so thinned skinned, PC pansies, or just don't visit the threads. If I don't want to talk about something in a thread, I don't visit it. It's in the General Discussion for cry out loud.

Nicolas Jordan
05-01-2009, 01:17 PM
Thank you Mike. It's really that easy. People either need to not be so thinned skinned, PC pansies, or just don't visit the threads. If I don't want to talk about something in a thread, I don't visit it. It's in the General Discussion for cry out loud.

:agree: As long as the thread is labeled appropriately that should be enough warning for others to avoid it if they don't like the topic.

Mike_RB
05-01-2009, 01:30 PM
Or we'll destroy ourselves or the machines will take over or we'll improve ourselves so quickly that we'll leave earth and it'll be vacant or.... ;)

I think we'd leave it as a park. Assuming we don't suck all the juice out of the sun on the way out. Then it would be a pretty cold park.

hrgiger
05-01-2009, 01:47 PM
It's not a matter of thin skin. It's a matter of personal taste that I come to the forums each day hoping to glean a little news or a little knowledge about Lightwave or 3D in general and instead, the threads that are frequently clamoring for the top spot in General discussion are long winded threads about religion or politics. Hey, I've been involved in them but I finally grew tired of them after this last election.
I already do avoid these threads but you asked for our opinions so I'm giving you mine.
And speaking of things that divide us, hey, I bought Modo today. Not leaving Lightwave or anything but finally saw enough of 401 for me to decide it was worth adding to my toolset.

Larry_g1s
05-01-2009, 01:51 PM
It's not a matter of thin skin. It's a matter of personal taste that I come to the forums each day hoping to glean a little news or a little knowledge about Lightwave or 3D in general and instead, the threads that are frequently clamoring for the top spot in General discussion are long winded threads about religion or politics. Hey, I've been involved in them but I finally grew tired of them after this last election.
I already do avoid these threads but you asked for our opinions so I'm giving you mine.
And speaking of things that divide us, hey, I bought Modo today. Not leaving Lightwave or anything but finally saw enough of 401 for me to decide it was worth adding to my toolset.But if you say no, then it's a win loss, if you say yes and avoid the ones you don't want to, then it's a win win was my point.

I have no plans to purchase Modo. LW, LWCORE, and Maya keep me plenty busy. That said...after watching the preview/videos of 401, I can most definitely understand why someone would purchase it. Luxology does a great job marketing their product, and it looks to be a very solid 3D app.

Hopper
05-01-2009, 01:54 PM
It's probably just the left wing, Baptist, Mac user, Modo fan boys that have a problem with it. :D

hrgiger
05-01-2009, 02:06 PM
It's probably just the left wing, Baptist, Mac user, Modo fan boys that have a problem with it. :D

How dare you call me a baptist or a mac user. That's a double slap.

ramccombe
05-01-2009, 02:08 PM
It's probably just the left wing, Baptist, Mac user, Modo fan boys that have a problem with it. :D

I am a left wing Mac user but not a baptist or a Modo fan boy and I don't have a problem with it.:twak:

jburford
05-01-2009, 02:18 PM
I do not know of any that stayed "Civil" in regards to the Environment/World Climate, the Election the past year, nor the outcome of the election for the couple months after.....

jburford
05-01-2009, 02:21 PM
I seriously say lets battle it out on X-Live and winner take all!

lwaddict
05-01-2009, 03:12 PM
XBox360 call sign: LWAddict

BRING IT!!!

:D

lwaddict
05-01-2009, 03:15 PM
And...
for what it's worth...
any place that has intelligent people running around in it is going to have debates...
on and off topic...
political, religious, mathematical, which slurpees are best, why does the frozen burrito still exit, why'd she leave me I've still got all this viagra, etc.

Nuf said.

The trick is to work your way around knowing that if you start such a topic,
there will be replies. Some you won't like.

Don't cry. Don't shout. Don't make the host company look stupid for not locking or deleting the thread either.

The most interesting and fun to read threads are usually intelligent and somewhat heated debates sauteed in humor and sarcasm.

My favorites so far anyways.

Again, just my two cents.

adamredwoods
05-01-2009, 06:15 PM
And speaking of things that divide us, hey, I bought Modo today. Not leaving Lightwave or anything but finally saw enough of 401 for me to decide it was worth adding to my toolset.

Modo 401, LW Core, Messiah 4. (I sense a pattern...)

They're from the same base, so it's the same family!
I'm thinking about one of these packages... we'll see. Probably modo.

THREEL
05-01-2009, 09:13 PM
It seems to me one of the TV news programs, I think it was GMA, used to, and maybe still does, run a segment called "Around the Water Cooler". Maybe this forum could have a section like that for these types of discussions. That way you could avoid that section like the plague, or is it the Swine Flu, if so desired.

taproot2
05-01-2009, 10:09 PM
Are discussions about having discussions really necessary?

DiedonD
05-02-2009, 06:17 AM
Now, to set it straight, this is about whether or not mods do their job well, of course.


Is our evaluation of weather Moderators are doing their job well or not, really neccessary for NT, as proposed by Blacksmith?!

Yeah, we get to evaluate their products an all! But Mods?

jburford
05-02-2009, 08:14 AM
XBox360 call sign: LWAddict

BRING IT!!!

:D



and mine, xGCx FFM JEFF let's do it!

jburford
05-02-2009, 08:16 AM
It seems to me one of the TV news programs, I think it was GMA, used to, and maybe still does, run a segment called "Around the Water Cooler". Maybe this forum could have a section like that for these types of discussions. That way you could avoid that section like the plague, or is it the Swine Flu, if so desired.

Have to Agree with Al here, one spot, perhaps titled, "Crash n Burn"..... and Tabu in All other Threads and Topics....

If you want to venture in, then take off your gloves.

ted
05-02-2009, 09:10 AM
If you want to venture in, then take off your gloves.

I see it as venturing in to hear a discussion rather than putting on the gloves. :hey: The number of insults and attacks is such a small percent of posts that it's worth hearing the discussion. And I would rather hear it from people here that I somewhat know than venturing off to a one sided political forum that will only agree with me! :)

jburford
05-02-2009, 09:20 AM
putting on the gloves, as these topics, as we all know polarize extreme and bring out very heavy emotions for most of the people wanting to primarily only push their point accross... unfortunately, only a small percentage really seem to be open to other opinions, guess human nature. (or perhaps just my view on it)

Oedo 808
05-02-2009, 10:18 AM
We could have a sanitized area free from everyday chit chat.

Maybe a sub-forum called Playskool?

Although I think LW-Fisher-Price would get my vote.

sampei
05-02-2009, 11:06 AM
don't mind either threads in the general discussion section, I just don't read them. Rather it can get annoying and time consuming when you have to filter offtopic posts in a thread that has nothing to do with either.

rakker16mm
05-02-2009, 12:17 PM
Are politics and religion discussions necessary in NT forums?
Yes, they are needed.
No, they are only polluting.

I'm sorry but I could not participate in your poll as neither option reflects my opinion on the subject.

No they are not needed but they can be tolerated. I can read the posts and participate if I want to, or if it bothers me I can just ignore the whole thing.

shrox
05-02-2009, 01:41 PM
Is Guinness necessary? You bet!

JMCarrigan
05-02-2009, 03:41 PM
1> I have almost completely stopped "shoulding" on myself.

2> I certainly can't be called appropriate.

3> Everything not prohibited is mandatory. (Huh? Who said that? :eek:)

All spelling & gramatical errors are intentional the purpose of which is to inject a modicum of humor fortworth.

JMCarrigan
05-02-2009, 03:42 PM
I'm sorry but I could not participate in your poll as neither option reflects my opinion on the subject.

No they are not needed but they can be tolerated. I can read the posts and participate if I want to, or if it bothers me I can just ignore the whole thing.

OR.

What he said.:agree:

blacksmith
05-05-2009, 06:46 AM
Well,
interesting results.

Democratically, it appears majority of 2/3 of people are really annoyed by extensive use of politics and religion in the place where it doesn't belong.

I guess the latter third are more aware of what other people think now.

All it's left is to hope forum authorities become aware of this fact too and respect majorities wishes.

I'm very happy with results.

Dan

IMI
05-05-2009, 07:21 AM
I guess the latter third are more aware of what other people think now.



I wouldn't pat myself too hard on the back over this poll of yours if I were you.
The former third of us who have been discussing politics (and religion) for many years are fully aware it annoys people.
We just don't care what they think about it. :D

lwaddict
05-05-2009, 07:24 AM
Democracy is overrated... take a look at California right now. Ugh.

Besides, democracy is just talk of freedom right?
And yet you wish the majority dictate the freedoms of the rest of the group?

rakker appears to have a much better understanding of it...
if you don't want to participate or be bothered with an off topic thread,
you simply ignore it.

You've got that freedom, we all do.

Sad how some people just get bored, wander into places that they won't like and then wish to impose their will on those who were there to begin with huh?

IMI
05-05-2009, 07:28 AM
Besides, democracy is just talk of freedom right?
And yet you wish the majority dictate the freedoms of the rest of the group?


Totally excellent point.
And yes, alot of people do believe that. Without going into detail, there have been decisions made in the US at the voting booths based on that idea, in spite of the fact said decisions have been in direct opposition to certain constitutional amendments, which by law should override public opinion.

lwaddict
05-05-2009, 07:33 AM
Hey, if you can scare the people into believing that they need something...
you can twist them into voting away their own civil liberties before they wake up.

The last 8 years here proved that you should never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers (not pointing fingers but still...)...

We're getting down to our last freedom...free speech...and yet the last President said clearly that anyone speaking of ideas contradictory to his, were bordering on criminal.

Yikes.

lwaddict
05-05-2009, 07:34 AM
He should've just said...
I got a D in physics...
so any talk of 3 buildings collapsing on themselves at a single event without help is beyond my comprehension so let's move on.

LOL.

RollerJesus
05-05-2009, 07:40 AM
Well,
interesting results.

Democratically, it appears majority of 2/3 of people are really annoyed by extensive use of politics and religion in the place where it doesn't belong.

I guess the latter third are more aware of what other people think now.

All it's left is to hope forum authorities become aware of this fact too and respect majorities wishes.

I'm very happy with results.

Dan

2/3 of people that participate in an off-topic discussion about off-topic discussions agree that off-topic discussions should be removed from the forum. Yup, sounds like democracy to me...

ToMar
05-24-2009, 03:30 PM
Ummm..... My current work revolves around Religion (debunking Crap like The Golden Ration in Mecca an stuff like that)

Sekhar
05-24-2009, 04:45 PM
Sure, they are necessary. E.g., consider the dilemma facing wavers today: join HC or not join HC? A "HC: what would Jesus do?" thread would help, wouldn't it?

IMI
05-24-2009, 04:50 PM
A "HC: what would Jesus do?" thread would help, wouldn't it?


I'm thinking Jesus would probably be a Blender guy. ;)

OnlineRender
05-24-2009, 05:00 PM
BILL HICKS " you think when jesus come's back he wants to see a cross ?"

Ye blender dude , then he can use fluids and turn them into wine :P

littlewaves
05-24-2009, 05:38 PM
I'm thinking Jesus would probably be a Blender guy. ;)

I dunno he's been around for so long Autodesk must've bought him by now

THREEL
05-24-2009, 07:22 PM
Sure, they are necessary. E.g., consider the dilemma facing wavers today: join HC or not join HC? A "HC: what would Jesus do?" thread would help, wouldn't it?

He does 3D without software! :D

akademus
05-25-2009, 01:20 AM
I'm thinking Jesus would probably be a Blender guy. ;)

And he would be listening The Carpenters while animating, I guess... :D

OnlineRender
05-25-2009, 06:20 AM
Day 1 he created the Earth
Day 2 , he couldn't finish the rest ,because he had to re-install windows , mwahahha 3D and religion jokes , cant get better than that :P

ToMar
05-25-2009, 10:09 AM
First he redered a scene with lensflares.
After that he added the lights.

:gotpics:

Hopper
05-25-2009, 10:22 AM
This thread needs music from my youth!

Jesus Built My Hotrod (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm4X9yElG9Y)

Psalm 69 is a memorable album.
We used to listen to Ministry at full tilt while playing Quake when it came out. Truly a blast. Unfortunately we'd usually play past dawn or until our hands were so crippled we could barely pick up a drink.

OnlineRender
05-25-2009, 12:50 PM
We used to listen to Ministry at full tilt while playing Quake when it came out. Truly a blast. Unfortunately we'd usually play past dawn or until our hands were so crippled we could barely pick up a drink.

where you hardcore quake'r and configed your grenade launcher to shoot then cycle up to rocket launcher automatic

"i was one of them "

I could still tell you were u spawned just by listening on headset
DM6 master

ahhh gone are the days playing it on 28k modem with ping of 1000 billion

Hopper
05-25-2009, 01:05 PM
where you hardcore quake'r and configed your grenade launcher to shoot then cycle up to rocket launcher automatic

Was there any other way? :)

I still remember fighting the IPX/SPX drivers to play Doom over the network. We would set up an entire room of the house just to play for the weekend. It was "Beer and Kill Fest" weekends when the weather was crappy out.

OnlineRender
05-25-2009, 01:52 PM
you can get quake in your internet browser now using Flash for free !

Vincenzo
05-25-2009, 05:45 PM
Athiest are lifeless eunuchs whose sole purpose in life is to make fun of others beliefs. I guess it makes them feel better.

Haha

zardoz
05-25-2009, 06:58 PM
these are the Newtek forums, so these are forums for Newtek's products.
If I want to talk about politics or religion, I can go to specific forums that focus on those subjects or others.

These ones are for lightwave and other Newtek products. Simple.

Vincenzo
05-25-2009, 07:07 PM
Well if there are intelligent confident athiests, they probably dont have a need to ridicule the beliefs of others. Unfortunately its the athiests who have a constant need to berate the beliefs of others that get the most notice and they do this anonymously via the internet.

Sincerely, Vincent Burnett

ercaxus
05-25-2009, 07:28 PM
Well if there are intelligent confident athiests, they probably dont have a need to ridicule the beliefs of others. Unfortunately its the athiests who have a constant need to berate the beliefs of others that get the most notice and they do this anonymously via the internet.

Sincerely, Vincent Burnett
Ridiculing beliefs is perfectly normal. There's nothing to be upset.

toby
05-25-2009, 09:51 PM
Well,
interesting results.

Democratically, it appears majority of 2/3 of people are really annoyed by extensive use of politics and religion in the place where it doesn't belong.

I guess the latter third are more aware of what other people think now.

All it's left is to hope forum authorities become aware of this fact too and respect majorities wishes.

I'm very happy with results.

Dan
You may as well have titled the choices "No, incredibly intelligent and capable 3d artists don't need to see bitter conflicts." and "Yes, I'm a peon without a life who demands that there be religious arguments every day."
Then you'd be even happier with the results.

ted
05-25-2009, 10:21 PM
For that 2/3 who CLAIM to be annoyed by off topic threads, what the frick are you visiting AND extending this one for?

Don't you see the obvious irony of participating in this thread. :D:hey::D:hey:
I don't see why people always think they have the right to tell everyone else what to do. Don't read it. Simple.
And you better not answer back or you'll be in violation of your own righteousness.
;)

DiedonD
05-26-2009, 12:33 AM
For that 2/3 who CLAIM to be annoyed by off topic threads, what the frick are you visiting AND extending this one for?

Don't you see the obvious irony of participating in this thread. :D:hey::D:hey:
I don't see why people always think they have the right to tell everyone else what to do. Don't read it. Simple.
And you better not answer back or you'll be in violation of your own righteousness.
;)

I dont think Advocates care about such violations. They just care to defend worst kind of people that ever walked on this earth instead. By any means, this thread inculded!

Now. To continue with the irony ;)

@Vincenzo


...Unfortunately its the athiests who have a constant need to berate the beliefs of others that get the most notice and they do this anonymously via the internet.
Sincerely, Vincent Burnett


Christian/Catholic Preachers and muslim Hoxha's (HO-JA-S) 'berate' the beliefs of others, constantly and 'profesionally', and they do so, by contrast to the worse, comepletely non anonymously, they do so all openly in the public instead!

I think us here have come to consider that a onesided or one dimensional POVs are a thing of the past. Cause youll always find the minority of nothing but the BEST of people in any human organized group. Nothing but the WORST minority of people on that same group, and a vast majority of ordinary, avarage people on such and any group. Same in religion included.

I had a debate with a Hoxha once. Was visited by three big bad people, enforcers the next day! And, they bloody got the **** out in the same way they ******* came in!!

But its how you play along with those two extreemes that you make politics. And yes religion is politics aswell IMO.

If you project all the best of your people to yourselves, and invest all your worst to others, then its Nationialism to extreemes for instance. Then you end up having a restless neighbour! Which is a pretty bad thing, cause the majority of avarage people are confused after a while, as to why are they under attack politically all of a suden by all sides?! They dont usually know the full extent of what their worst people have caused! They 'saw' nothing bu those best of their people projected on them daily!? It goes all the way, as for them to think that they are the victims instead, ironically, rather than what those WORSE people, who are a minority of that same group has victimized others instead! Imagine that! A complete locked nationalistic system!

Statistically, theres always a minority of two polar extreemes, and a majority of avarage things. Its how it is.

So Vincenzo. Try to see people, rather than organizations. You may find God right then!

OnlineRender
05-26-2009, 12:50 AM
you see i tried to de-rail this topic with quake but ahhh people still get sensitive about politics and religion "which may add is why the world is at war " FACT

Theres only 1 person i belive in and thats me !

Where in the Bible does it mention dinsosaurs " I REST MY CASE "


If you want to push your views onto people go and chap doors and goto another forum , otherwise keep your opps to yourself , this post will get shut down , due to childish remarks ,it should be open for debate , but sadly some people dont know when to give up
by all means belive whatever , but dont press your views on others .


PEACE , live long and prosper

Vincenzo
05-26-2009, 01:02 AM
I havent noticed any religious people (Christian, Muslim, Hindu etc) come on the Newtek forums and attempt to force their religious beliefs on others, but I have noticed some people ridicule Christian beliefs. I simple commented on how childish and chumpish such action are. I realize that most athiests probably dont have such a need, but the few that do get noticed.

toby
05-26-2009, 01:20 AM
I havent noticed any religious people (Christian, Muslim, Hindu etc) come on the Newtek forums and attempt to force their religious beliefs on others
Right, Christians have been doing it for MILLENNIA, but athiests should've known that the NT forums are off-limits. :rolleyes:

THREEL
05-26-2009, 02:17 AM
Where in the Bible does it mention dinsosaurs " I REST MY CASE "

How about Job 40:15-24, Job chapter 41, Psalm 104:25,26 and Isaiah 27:1.

DiedonD
05-26-2009, 02:21 AM
"Stood in firelight, sweltering. Bloodstain on chest like map of violent new continent. Felt cleansed. Felt dark planet turn under my feet and knew what cats know that makes them scream like babies in night. Looked at sky through smoke heavy with human fat and God was not there. The cold, suffocating dark goes on forever and we are alone. Live our lives, lacking anything better to do. Devise reason later. Born from oblivion; bear children, hell-bound as ourselves, go into oblivion. There is nothing else. Existence is random. Has no pattern save what we imagine after staring at it for too long. No meaning save what we choose to impose. This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - Rorschach"

Rorschach said that?! In that Watchmen movie?! Get out of here! How the heck did I miss it. And I thought I was an Existentialist!

:D

DiedonD
05-26-2009, 02:25 AM
I havent noticed any religious people (Christian, Muslim, Hindu etc) come on the Newtek forums and attempt to force their religious beliefs on others, but I have noticed some people ridicule Christian beliefs. I simple commented on how childish and chumpish such action are. I realize that most athiests probably dont have such a need, but the few that do get noticed.

How can one force a belief at NT's? How do you do that?

Force's preasure oughta leave the other choiceless, and resign to accepting the influence! You need enforcers for that! And this is the internets! How does one do that here?

And Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Id put them in the same cathegory of Religion. No differentiation in the working systems. Just the content is somewhat different, thats all.

OnlineRender
05-26-2009, 02:30 AM
time for this thread to be closed ! to many people can get hurt for no reason ,other than people wanting to get there views across, back to CG please , the poll is all the evidence that is needed .

PS if your going to quote from a story book , i would suggest reading a book that outdates the bible by 2000 years "google it up"

Stunt Pixels
05-26-2009, 02:36 AM
PS if your going to quote from a story book , i would suggest reading a book that outdates the bible by 2000 years "google it up"

Oh! Oh! The DOS 3.1 manual?

DiedonD
05-26-2009, 03:15 AM
time for this thread to be closed ! to many people can get hurt for no reason ,other than people wanting to get there views across, back to CG please , the poll is all the evidence that is needed .


Would you calm down Steve? Nobody is going to be hurt, cause nobody is trying to hurt anyone! You cant possibly be hurt in these places anyway!

Were just sorting our views out. I dont see any wrongs with that. Nobody is personally atacking anyone or something, so...

As for the Poll! Its the most ridiculusly biased poll that I have ever seen!

A: Yes they are needed

B: No they are only the worse kind of pollution ever to be posted in these forums, and one should feel disgusted of himself to the outmost degree, so as as only suicide would be the way out such a disgustful intensity!

Then you go like: Well if its 'polluting', dont bloody read it!

blacksmith
05-26-2009, 04:46 AM
As for the Poll! Its the most ridiculusly biased poll that I have ever seen!

A: Yes they are needed

B: No they are only the worse kind of pollution ever to be posted in these forums, and one should feel disgusted of himself to the outmost degree, so as as only suicide would be the way out such a disgustful intensity!

Then you go like: Well if its 'polluting', dont bloody read it!

I don't see how it's biased? Its a simple question, you do or you don't want politics here and majority answered no, thus reflecting what people want here.

I'm glad moderators are taking it into account and I'm glad to see these forums with less fights and heavy words than before.

You are probably angry your latest political thread (http://www.newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98888) got closed. Please, take it on moderators, not here.

Thank you!

Goodbye.

JBT27
05-26-2009, 04:55 AM
I don't believe that this is in the movie. It is a direct quote from the comic book.

Of all the things in the entire book, this stood out the most to me. It is my favorite passage in the collected Watchmen works. He nails humanity to the wall in a few simple lines. I really admire Alan Moore's writing.

Just came to lurk on this thread, then read that passage ..... sent a shudder down the ageing spine ..... I think humanity is a little more than that, but nevertheless, talk about cold hard reality.

Just a note on personalities at the heart of religions, I heard someone on the radio yesterday say "If so-and-so was here now, I'd treat him like he was Jesus." And then I wondered would that be from the Jewish perspective, or the Imperial Roman? :D

Julian.

DiedonD
05-26-2009, 05:01 AM
Alright. Goodbye.

Turns to others

The issue my dear friends is the word 'pollution' in it

It hints that all political posts are pollution, and thus political posters are pollutors!! Attaching the image of Pollution into politics that the reader imagines!

With such a suggestion, there of course can be people who would like to argue in various political and religious threads, but whom wouldnt want to belong to the group of 'Pollutors'

Thus this poll is biased. It suggest more to vote for non political and non religious and be saved from beeing called aye 'Pollutor'

No wonder there are so little voters for Politics/Religion! Who would want to be called a 'Pollutor'?! Thus it has only attracted people that have strong enough political orientations, that beeing called a pollutor is something that they can take just so the vote goes out there!

So, its biased and offends users here who have political/religious urges, by naming them as pollutors!!

Well, we arent polluting! We only make POVs! On the other hand, it takes a rather pollutive mind to make such a biased and offensive poll such as this one!!

blacksmith
05-26-2009, 05:08 AM
So, its biased and offends users here who have political/religious urges, by naming them as pollutors!!



If you have such urges, there are plenty of places around the world wide web designed specifically for people with such urges.

Newtek forums aren't one of them and that is specifically said in forum policy.

Quite simple yet difficult to comprehend.

blacksmith
05-26-2009, 05:11 AM
On the other hand, it takes a rather pollutive mind to make such a biased and offensive poll such as this one!!

Meaning me.

I consider this a personal attack. I asked you kindly to restrain of your anger from having your thread closed, but you simply don't want to (or cannot).

Therefore, I have to report you.

Sorry.

DiedonD
05-26-2009, 05:17 AM
And I have reported you for offending all political posters here, for naming us all as 'Polluters' !!

And for that, I am not the least sorry neither!

Your biased poll here isnt making room for all of us here! Who are you to choose which kind of people get to be here and which should not?!

OnlineRender
05-26-2009, 06:01 AM
see told you this would get silly ->instead of 99 posts that means nothing to the production ,we could have wrote our own bible , THE LW BIBLE , anybody want a game of quake !

Panikos
05-26-2009, 06:03 AM
Politics and religion discussion are endless. The way faces/voices vary, its impossible to satisfy everybody. Its healthy to have discussions as long as everybody follows the "line"
Setting everything in "mute" is not democratic.

OnlineRender
05-26-2009, 06:15 AM
ye buts that the point ,if it was a main concern ie "GOD RETURNED WITH AN UZI and hes pissed " ,by all means say what you need to say ,but theres no room here for it , how does it help new artists develop there skills , it reflects bad on everyone including NT , who certainly don't want there name dragged in the mud .

I noticed there was no argument for "politics and religion cause war "
cause the hard facts are there .

Free Love people

Kuzey
05-26-2009, 06:29 AM
I don't see how it's biased? Its a simple question, you do or you don't want politics here and majority answered no, thus reflecting what people want here.


Mmmmm....what's this majority you speak of. 88 people might have voted but there is about 91,848 forum members.

Just to put things in perspective :hey:

Kuzey

ToMar
05-26-2009, 06:30 AM
ye buts that the point ,if it was a main concern ie "GOD RETURNED WITH AN UZI and hes pissed " ,by all means say what you need to say ,but theres no room here for it , how does it help new artists develop there skills , it reflects bad on everyone including NT , who certainly don't want there name dragged in the mud .

I noticed there was no argument for "politics and religion cause war "
cause the hard facts are there .

Free Love people

You don't know on who's FTP-Server the quote-mining-short "Texas-Tornado" is hosted. Dou you?

EDIT: I wouldn't mind to much if it looked good. But it doesn't.

DiedonD
05-26-2009, 06:35 AM
Nah, I still say that we are sorting out our views Steve. Of course we were first insulted by that name of 'pollutors' but I didnt make a big issue out of it right until he ironically had the face to report me instead!!

As for not beeing able to post other things appart from CG, weve had that before, and it was just a black and white story! I still say that we arent just CG performers! Showing all the goods of art and LW are great for increasing skills and I am all for it. I even made our own tips and tricks for them!

But sooner or later the issue of us beeing human, and with that there are other things aswell to talk about, and those bubble up to be expressed! I see nothing wrong with that. Nobody is hurt unless theyre personally attacked! Either one to one, or one to a mass of users offense like in Blacksmiths case!

And as far as Im concerned, NT never gets to be dragged into any mud! Now there are other political moves out there. But the ones I always posted spoke of a glorious victory over tiranny and freedom oppressers! Where US lead, western European allies were involved, and the positive fruits from all that ordeal. NT is US and Europe based, and it highlights the countries that they are standing on, and their noble triumph over evil!

I see no mud there! To the contrary its something that we should all be proud of, and NT should be proud of those topics beeing mentioned here!

Fcourse. Youre free to refuse the idea and argue about it. But thats the whole point ;) Do argue :)

DiedonD
05-26-2009, 07:27 AM
Heres the definition of Pollution

pol⋅lute
  /pəˈlut/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [puh-loot] Show IPA
–verb (used with object), -lut⋅ed, -lut⋅ing.
1. to make foul or unclean, esp. with harmful chemical or waste products; dirty: to pollute the air with smoke.
2. to make morally unclean; defile.
3. to render ceremonially impure; desecrate: to pollute a house of worship.
4. Informal. to render less effective or efficient: The use of inferior equipment has polluted the company's service.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pollute

Here are the iamges associated with pollution in Youtubes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcWpkWBX04E

So the names that are pro political are like that according to Blacksmith!

Heres the complete list thus far that is called so, plus those that didnt vote because of the 'Pollutor' remark! :

Cageman,
calilifestyle,
Chris S. (Fez),
DiedonD,
Dirk,
Ernest,
Hopper,
IMI,
jcupp,
JensD,
Kuzey,
Larry_g1s,
Lightwolf,
Limbus,
Magnetix,
mattclary,
Medi8or,
Megalodon,
Mike_RB,
OnlineRender,
Panikos,
prospector,
Riff_Masteroff,
Stunt Pixels,
ted,
toby,
Tom Wood,
UltraViolet,
warmiak,
zapper1998

Blacksmith is calling us 'Pollutors' with our polluting posts guys!

OnlineRender
05-26-2009, 08:01 AM
Hey! I was just going to mention my first ever LAN session I indeed had with quake - and here you prefer this thread to be closed just because of the (I guess recently high level of) Newtek forum noise? Come on...
So here it is: First time ever brought my computer to a friend... all cables connected... quake works on every machine... and we start to set up the network. Plan was to play from 6pm to 9am... we started to gather a little early at 5pm... we played for 2 hours - then it was 9 and parents showed up to get our stuff. BTW: "we" means 3 people out of 7. We managed to play in turns so that everybody could "feel the experience" a little. Great night! No sarcasm there...
Second time was better - actually played through the night. About 3 different levels. There was one, that was mainly a round hall, with 6 columns with elevators on 2 of them. Played that for some hours straight. End result was something like 1st place about 1500 points, 2nd some 1000, me on 7th with 300 and a friend on last with 10-20... but he played without a mouse for some reason - which was funny. For example I ran into a room, strafed to the left and he came storming in behind me... standing in the middle of the room... then he'd slowly start rotating on the spot. By the time he saw me, he was dead. Well, of course I was not much better - and we had great fun as well. Till now I like to get points, but have no real trouble being destroyed by better players. :cursin:
Yep - I am not a hardcore gamer... now I am at least hardcore waver. :D

quake was the whole reason i bought a network card ,originally it was a serial connection ,that we used , remember spending hours getting it to work , the sheer joy it brought seeing 2 players in the one game ,woooow
we had a clan NBK "original before others copied us " infact if you use the way back machine you will see our clan page "1998"

My name was FIZBIN if you know ur StarTrek history you will get the connection , i made one of the first rocket arenas that got used in a massive LAN party in Manchester "proud moment for me " one of the reasons i got into this industry .

ahhh now that was better than any religion to follow .


THEN we went technical NTL phone service give NTL-NTL free calls , we abused that mega , always remember hearing "right 58 minutes time to disconect before we get a phone charge :) ,that was before people had even used the internet , also remember irc on COMMODOR 64 , miss they days

for my 5th birthday my dad bought me a BBC MACRO , i could program spinning coloured lines by the time i was 6 :P

Mike_RB
05-26-2009, 08:22 AM
You guys remember running around capping those BNC cables? Those terminators were priceless. :)

And regarding the religion thing. It's a point of view, it should be subject to ridicule/freedom of expression the same as any other IDEA. At least those of us who lack belief in the supernatural don't tend to burn those we disagree with a the stake.

Paul Lara
05-26-2009, 08:29 AM
Well, it really doesn't matter what a small sampling of forum users decides on this subject, because it is clearly laid out in NewTek forum policy:

The NewTek Discussion Forums are a private venue provided as a service to NewTek customers at NewTek's discretion. As such, the NewTek Discussion Forums are not a free speech zone, they are for professional and civil discourse regarding NewTek products by NewTek users.

The following items are not considered professional or civil discourse allowed on these forums:
• Off-topic and controversial subjects such as Religion and Politics
• Comments of an "off color" nature inappropriate for viewing by minors
• Non-constructive criticism of a malicious nature
• Personal attacks against NewTek customers or employees and their family members
• Promotional messages and material for competing products
Those who are unable to keep their posts on topic, unable to maintain responsible civil conversation with others or who have no purpose on the NewTek forums other than to promote competing products will have their accounts removed.

Moderation decisions are not subject to public discussion. If you have comments, send an email or private message to the moderators.


::sheesh:: some of you can't even have a SURVEY about politics without arguing.
This thread is closed.