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THREEL
04-26-2009, 10:49 AM
Okay, how can companies afford to give away free software, especially in these tough economic times? Two that quickly come to mind are OpenOffice.org and Microsoft's Truespace. Do you think they're selling our "info" to third parties? I know some of them ask for donations, but when you here free, you don't think you need too.

DiscreetFX
04-26-2009, 11:45 AM
Truespace is not really free since MS just wants you to keep buying Windows and TS requires that to run. Windows is your purchased dongle to make Truespace work. The downside to TS being free is that it might stop someone from buying a better 3D program and learning that instead. OpenOffice has been free for some time.

THREEL
04-26-2009, 12:00 PM
So, do you have to have the latest release of windows to make TS work, I'm only up to XP. I like to try different 3D apps just to see how they work and if there's anything substantial to them. I've tried Blender, but never really cared for the UI, but I've heard that you need to learn it to appreciate it.

adamredwoods
04-26-2009, 12:11 PM
The new UI coming in Blender 2.5:
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/6404/blender25wip.jpg

Ernest
04-26-2009, 12:15 PM
The current version of Truespace runs on XP. That's still good for MS because, if you get hooked on TS, you'll upgrade your OS in order to use a future version that will no longer support XP. It's bound to happen eventually.

In the case of OpenOffice, they do not pay the developers nor their download mirrors, so it's OK for them to offer the software for free and charge only for corporate support and donations.

cresshead
04-26-2009, 01:44 PM
autodesk is offering free licences [13 months] of their cad software to people who are without a job currently and greatly reduced exam fees and free training to boost your chances of getting a new job back in that field.

autocad, revit, inventor etc.

http://dealnews.com/Autodesk-Assistance-Program-Free-Auto-CAD-software-for-unemployed/289668.html

http://images.dealnews.com/products/images/700000/734808-large

http://images.dcheetah.com/students.autodesk.com/ama/images/headers/Landing_Page2.jpg

http://students7.autodesk.com/?nd=assistance_home&lbon=1

archijam
04-26-2009, 01:57 PM
It also seems that Truespace is being pushed as a free publishing tool to fill Microsoft's 'Virtual Earth' with 3D building models, since they want to avoid Google (sketchUp) solutions.

Dexter2999
04-26-2009, 03:40 PM
The story I was told was the OPENOFFICE was a direct "up yours!" to Microsoft. It was done in retaliation to MS trying to create it's own version of Java. Having multiple versions of JAVA makes it worthless because it was all about compatability. SUN Microsystems, the creators of Java, didn't like MS messing about with it.

hrgiger
04-26-2009, 04:14 PM
The new UI coming in Blender 2.5:
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/6404/blender25wip.jpg

Is that a notable improvement over what they have now? It doesn't seem it from what I remember.

THREEL
04-26-2009, 05:44 PM
autodesk is offering free licences [13 months] of their cad software to people who are without a job currently and greatly reduced exam fees and free training to boost your chances of getting a new job back in that field.

autocad, revit, inventor etc.

http://dealnews.com/Autodesk-Assistance-Program-Free-Auto-CAD-software-for-unemployed/289668.html

http://images.dealnews.com/products/images/700000/734808-large

http://images.dcheetah.com/students.autodesk.com/ama/images/headers/Landing_Page2.jpg

http://students7.autodesk.com/?nd=assistance_home&lbon=1

What software and version is this? I already have AutoCAD 2000i. I would love to update this, but I'm pretty sure I probably can't afford it.

calilifestyle
04-27-2009, 12:11 AM
Truespace is not really free since MS just wants you to keep buying Windows and TS requires that to run. Windows is your purchased dongle to make Truespace work. The downside to TS being free is that it might stop someone from buying a better 3D program and learning that instead. OpenOffice has been free for some time.

This is clearly a BS statement. As if the precious apple platform hasn't obsoleted any programs of their own.

Dexter2999
04-27-2009, 12:23 AM
Is that a notable improvement over what they have now? It doesn't seem it from what I remember.

Can't speak as to the link in question, but the 2.5 version of Blender is supposed to be huge in the areas of layout and interface grouping and in that I think it is supposed to be customizable. It was probably the major point of discussion at the annual Blender convention they held. There were several videos hosted with the speakers lambasting Blender. Then Ton got up and said "quit your whining, I'll think about changing it" (I'm paraphrasing).

adamredwoods
04-27-2009, 11:33 AM
Is that a notable improvement over what they have now? It doesn't seem it from what I remember.

It _looks_ different. BUt the article I snagged the image from said they hadn't started with the workflow changes yet.

mattclary
04-27-2009, 12:32 PM
The new UI coming in Blender 2.5:
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/6404/blender25wip.jpg

I found this image an apt analogy for the Blender UI:

RudySchneider
04-27-2009, 01:06 PM
I found this image an apt analogy for the Blender UI:


Suddenly, my right hand feels a bit tender...

DiscreetFX
04-27-2009, 02:34 PM
This is clearly a BS statement. As if the precious apple platform hasn't obsoleted any programs of their own.

Apple does the same thing.

Chrizto
04-28-2009, 05:34 AM
People are usually referring to "free software" as free of cost.
There is a clear distinction between the products mentioned in this post.

Blender, OpenOffice and other software that says "free" refers to both economical, and philosophical aspects of the "free" part.
The open source projects (like these two) are free as in freedom to both review the code, and download and use the software without cost.

When it comes to TrueSpace, that MS recently acclaimed from Caligari, it is a different approach.

It is free to use, but the extra's cost, and the source code is closed.

Read up on FSF (FreeSoftwareFederation) if you have questions about the philosophy that open source leads to better software, faster bug-fixes etc.

The GUI toolkit (Nokia/Trolltech QT) used in both LW Core and the new 3DS Max 2010 is opensource, but has a commercial, and a free licensing model, and yes, they are making money.

So open source doesn't mean empty wallet. And free from cost doesn't necessarily mean bad software.
Closed source and expensive software tends to have far more long lasting bugs and longer lasting impact on your economy.

Go figure...

cresshead
04-28-2009, 05:45 AM
http://www.softwarenewsdaily.com/2009/04/free-autodesk-and-solidworks-software-for-the-unemployed

see.. big companies can do some great things for people in need.

http://www.softwarenewsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/engineeringstimulus.jpg

solid works link
http://www.solidworks.com/sw/esp/engineering_stimulus_package.html

AutoCAD®, Revit®
Architecture, Autodesk®
Inventor® Professional,
AutoCAD®
Civil 3D® software.
link>
http://students2.autodesk.com/?nd=assistance_home&lbon=1


i'd love to see others step up too, like adobe or apple apps