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LazyCoder
04-19-2009, 11:13 AM
I just saw 'Knowing' last Friday, and I liked it a lot. I particularly liked the visual effects, especially the plane crash scene. I was just wondering what everyone else thought of the FX.

EDIT: Oh, well even if you didn't see it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFa7v9MQn6w&feature=related (crash starts at 2:02).

JMCarrigan
04-19-2009, 01:35 PM
Saw the clip - now I wanna see the movie.

cresshead
04-19-2009, 02:00 PM
ouch,,,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArEU_taOAPI&feature=related

Red_Oddity
04-19-2009, 02:30 PM
ouch,,,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArEU_taOAPI&feature=related

Pretty horrible scene that, but spectacularly executed.

The one thing that bothers me about the plane crash is the final explosion, which looks a bit too much like a fluid sim gone wrong, but that could also be the grading or whatever youtube does to the quality, the rest looks top notch.

Too bad it's a Cage film, i often get the feeling this guy has even less talent than Keanu Reeves at times.

cresshead
04-19-2009, 11:36 PM
link to fx guide podcast>>

http://www.fxguide.com/qt/1023/fxguidetv-episode-53-knowing

safetyman
04-20-2009, 11:36 AM
That derailed scene is horrific to say the least -- I'm gonna have to buy the DVD so I can watch it frame-by-frame.

AbnRanger
04-20-2009, 12:08 PM
What's bad is...that is freakishly reminscent to the MetroLink trainwreck last year, in the LA area. I think dozens died...all because the conductor was text messaging instead of paying attention to his job.

geothefaust
04-20-2009, 12:28 PM
Too bad it's a Cage film, i often get the feeling this guy has even less talent than Keanu Reeves at times.

Got to agree there... Every time I see a trailer for a movie he is in, I am instantly uninterested. Ghost Rider COULD have been a good movie, but part of the ruin was him.

Liber777
04-20-2009, 01:22 PM
This movie was about half good and half really, really bad. The terrible cliches were shoved down the audience's throat with a shovel at times.

Same for the effects; most of these were very well done, but the fire fx at the plane crash site on the ground were very unconvincing. And toward the end... well, you'll have to judge for yourself.

Despite it being bad, it was still fun.

prometheus
04-20-2009, 01:55 PM
Got to agree there... Every time I see a trailer for a movie he is in, I am instantly uninterested. Ghost Rider COULD have been a good movie, but part of the ruin was him.

Maybe nicholas cage are the first in line to be completly replaced with cg character for better acting performance:)
or is this already acheived with benjamin button?

Actually I really liked cageīs first movies, like birdy where he actually was fantastic, but since then thereīs been some kind of decline, he needīs to get some decent tough acting roles, no more bad guy, no more army heroes or catastrofic acts..litteraly speaking:)

and while mentioning keanu reeves, I actually thought his first stuff feels like a joke, but he on the other hand, seems to actually evolve in acting.

Michael

borkus
04-20-2009, 02:16 PM
Favorite Cage film of all time...

Raising Arizona (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AIfVoGUs6c)

Runner up...

Con Air (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOpLwb_txWk)

Mind you, these are both older movies and I agree that pretty much everything he has done lately has been crap. Skipped on Ghostrider. Wouldn't want to tarnish my memories of that comic...

Nangleator
04-20-2009, 02:42 PM
Raising Arizona has to be listed as one of the great American films.

The fire effects of the explosion in the first clip seemed good to me, except the whole of the explosion, from ground on up, turned from orangey-yellow to black at the same time. It killed the effect for me.

But the flow of the flames seemed a decent attempt at showing the effects of an airplane's passage.

geothefaust
04-20-2009, 02:44 PM
Raising Arizona is truly great. So, he does have one film that is good. The others... Meh.


Keanu on the other hand, while a bad actor, does get better over time. However horrible he is at the moment, he was once, much worse, LOL.

massmusic
04-20-2009, 02:46 PM
Too bad it's a Cage film, i often get the feeling this guy has even less talent than Keanu Reeves at times.

When you are the nephew of Francis Ford Coppola, you get work regardless of how bad your acting is which is why the vehicles of choice for directors/producers for him are the type of films he doesn’t really need to act in. As good as Raising Arizona is, it is the story and direction that makes it a good film.

borkus
04-20-2009, 02:48 PM
The only film I really like Keanu in was Devil's Advocate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CESuED-9OIw) .

dnch
04-20-2009, 03:03 PM
yeah the flame in some frames looks weird, and all who is watching Lost know that that engine would suck him for good:)
..lord of war was pretty good.. bud i have to agree he has some nose for bad movies...

Silkrooster
04-20-2009, 03:09 PM
Apparently I think the opposite of every one here. Raising Arizona was one of the worst movies ever produced no exceptions. That movie made me believe Cage was no good as an actor.
However his latest releases as me thinking twice. The action has increased, his acting skills has increased. Can he do better, yeah I think he could. But I wonder if something was holding him back whether it is funding, timing, or what not. Possibly its the scripts that are getting better.
I believe the best actors are those you instantly recognize by name or face and say it or not everyone knows who Nickolas Cage is.

colkai
04-21-2009, 03:14 AM
I'm a bit like SilkRooster, personally, me and the wife love watching Nic Cage films, I find him laconic rather than stilted and I've always been entertained by the film.

I'm not looking for great character depth, just someone you can hitch along with for the ride. I'm a great lover of B-Movies, brain out & enjoy, loved the National Treasure films, yeah, cheesy cliche-ridden but great fun. Contrary-wise, I think some of the "deep and serious" actors are boring as heck and way over-hyped, they play mean N moody and depressed, heck, life gives me enough of that, I don't need to pay to see it! :p

prometheus
04-21-2009, 07:12 AM
The only film I really like Keanu in was Devil's Advocate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CESuED-9OIw) .

Yepp..I liked him in that one to, and keanu was actually good in that movie, maybe he picked up one or two tricks from the devil himself Al Pacino.

both keanu and cage, seems to get in to roles that in them self doesnīt allow any deeper acting thou, and often they are stuck with a certain genre.


cage and keanu are somewhat fotogenic and they have been able to use that in to many films and in scenes with to little emotions.

when taking a look at their perfomances it seems to me that they are way better of in roles where they exaggerate their emotions and when that is needed.

Actors who can perform greatly by just very small facial expressions, are
hard to find.

And back to topic, well I really canīt judge on the effects, have to see it in movies.

Michael

EmperorPete
04-21-2009, 07:55 AM
Favorite Cage film of all time...
Raising Arizona (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AIfVoGUs6c)
Runner up...
Con Air (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOpLwb_txWk)
I'd add Wild At Heart to that list.

Mind you, these are both older movies and I agree that pretty much everything he has done lately has been crap. Skipped on Ghostrider. Wouldn't want to tarnish my memories of that comic...
VERY good move. You didn't miss much worth watching, believe me.

Silkrooster
04-21-2009, 06:40 PM
Ghost Rider and National Treasure are the best one's so far.