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Hopper
03-15-2009, 03:33 PM
Pretty wicked technology.

Scrape past the first 2 or three "intro" minutes to get to the good stuff. The last couple of minutes have the coolest parts.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/11/video-the-sixth-sense/

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Rod Seffen
03-15-2009, 04:28 PM
Nonsense. If they were available right now I wouldn't buy one. Didn't see anything of use in that video presentation. It's just gadgetry for the sake of it.
Then again, I don't buy into any of this crap, I own no electronic gadgets at all, I don't even have a mobile phone.

RudySchneider
03-15-2009, 05:00 PM
I own no electronic gadgets at all...

Excuse me, Rod, but perhaps you can explain why you think the computer that you use to create 2D or 3D art or renders, communicate with others throughout the world via the Internet, and access and share myriad information is not an electronic "gadget."

Rod Seffen
03-15-2009, 05:03 PM
It's the tool I use to do my work, as opposed to something I use to listen to pop tunes or arrange a drinking session at the pub, as most people do with the gadgets I refer to.

pooby
03-15-2009, 05:05 PM
Would you consider using it to peek into a forum about the new iPhone?

RudySchneider
03-15-2009, 05:06 PM
Ah, that clears things up.

IMI
03-15-2009, 05:15 PM
It's the tool I use to do my work, as opposed to something I use to listen to pop tunes or arrange a drinking session at the pub, as most people do with the gadgets I refer to.

Must be a real b1tch to have to suffer the presence of such petty people with such shallow, lowbrow interests. :rolleyes:

Rod Seffen
03-15-2009, 05:23 PM
pooby - only on the grounds that I came here initially for lightwave related technical purposes, but can never resist the urge to poke a stick and turn my nose up in disdain at what I see as conventional materialistic consumers. I include anyone who has or watches television in that group BTW.
It's a petty thing to do however, and this is not going to change anyone's habits.

sammael
03-15-2009, 05:29 PM
Seems like a fairly pointless technology to me, the idea of walking around doing gestures to take photos and projecting stuff on everything, I dunno... how hard is it to take a photo or look at your watch? It's a fairly comical image thinking of people walking around wearing those. I would feel like a complete dork...

pooby
03-15-2009, 05:34 PM
This is old news anyway. We used a low-tech version of this at school years ago.
It involved some sellotape, a piece of paper, and the words 'kick me', or 'I smell' written on it.

jasonwestmas
03-15-2009, 06:23 PM
Keyboards, pens, mice and, sticks controller pads work just fine thanks. People have this obsession with recording every little thing, playing music and videos all day long too, it's pretty strange. It's just consumerism, That's nothing new.

Hopper
03-15-2009, 06:57 PM
It's the tool I use to do my work, as opposed to something I use to listen to pop tunes or arrange a drinking session at the pub, as most people do with the gadgets I refer to.
This kind of technology is easily adaptable to do "work" related items.

Do you think the iPhone is simply a toy? If so, you would be sadly mistaken. If you are not involved in the corporate world, I wouldn't expect you to think otherwise, but in fact more people use these devices for work rather than play.

Almost everything I do on my iPhone is work related and I do quite a bit. All of our remote monitoring systems are integrated into custom iPhone apps as well as our remote HelpDesk system. Those alone have saved my company over $520k in additional desktop hardware costs this year.

So if you think these "gadgets" are useless, then you're entitled to your opinion. If you have no use for them, then for you, it's true. But to make such as sweeping statement that it's all "crap" is pretty ignorant.

evenflcw
03-15-2009, 07:35 PM
Well this thing has two aspects. It's the virtual screen and interface. And the lookup service involved with the "six sense".

The first aspect I thought was rather cleverly deviced. Especially using any surface as the "screen" by projecting. That's the biggest problem with most of the "surface computers" - they are really expensive because they are built around huge lcd screens, touch sensitive technology or image recognition and/or require a large space to fit fixed light projectors or whatnots.

Also, anyone dismissing this as simply gadgetry is imho totally missing the point. This is ubiquitous computing (UB). The whole point of UB is to integrate the gadgets so the hardware is essentially unnoticeable and create interfaces that are so intuitive that using them is as natural as tying your shoes. Consider if this system was a device no bigger than a silver dollar and you could keep it in your pocket at all times and still use it. Consider also that you could potentially be carrying around a version of Mudbox that you could boot up and use anywhere. I don't see what's gadgetry about that. It's just a very smallscale portable computer. It's useful and practical.

The sixth sense is cool aswell, but I really don't think it would be good to used it all the time. Then we'd essentially be looking up everything just to make rational decisions. And making decisions purely based on rationality and available data isn't very human and would only make this world even more callous.

jasonwestmas
03-15-2009, 08:39 PM
Well this thing has two aspects. It's the virtual screen and interface. And the lookup service involved with the "six sense".

The first aspect I thought was rather cleverly deviced. Especially using any surface as the "screen" by projecting. That's the biggest problem with most of the "surface computers" - they are really expensive because they are built around huge lcd screens, touch sensitive technology or image recognition and/or require a large space to fit fixed light projectors or whatnots.

Also, anyone dismissing this as simply gadgetry is imho totally missing the point. This is ubiquitous computing (UB). The whole point of UB is to integrate the gadgets so the hardware is essentially unnoticeable and create interfaces that are so intuitive that using them is as natural as tying your shoes. Consider if this system was a device no bigger than a silver dollar and you could keep it in your pocket at all times and still use it. Consider also that you could potentially be carrying around a version of Mudbox that you could boot up and use anywhere. I don't see what's gadgetry about that. It's just a very smallscale portable computer. It's useful and practical.

The sixth sense is cool aswell, but I really don't think it would be good to used it all the time. Then we'd essentially be looking up everything just to make rational decisions. And making decisions purely based on rationality and available data isn't very human and would only make this world even more callous.

I'm pessimistic when it comes to personal computing, potentially this technology has a foot in the door of actual creative development and presentation but it will no doubt in my mind, be clogged up and slowed down with a bunch of commercial sensationalism, with mostly retail items and digital media strictly for consumers. This tech will be more about selling products that currently exist in a conformist life style (Commercialism) than actually promoting liberating things like actually thinking for ourselves and choosing what we want to know rather than "promote the economy" by making us wade through a less than personally useful campaign to make the average person feel like we need instant access to all information for products at all times. It's this kind of distracting "Plugged In" Atmosphere that I rather avoid. What ever happened to thinking about what we already know and learned in order to expand our level of consciousness without heaping on NEW things that we don't necessarily need to continue from our cognitive roots. This force feeding frenzy that is currently on the techy table is completely unnatural and is all akin to instant gratification which takes us places that make us loose our original identity. It's going to be a rather long and drawn out story once fully realized.

Now I understand there are companies that promote "fair trade",(whatever that means) support further scientific developments, clean up our environment, promote life and peace in general, but really there isn't a specific plan to make that happen from a retail/ industrial standpoint. Of course we aren't really in a position to think that deeply in the first place from where I can see.

danielkaiser
03-15-2009, 08:51 PM
She did say a brain implant could be in the future. I already have $35,000 in Titanium and synthetic bone in my back, having a Heads up display hard wired into my head sounds like fun to me.

"I am Locutus... of Borg. Resistance... is futile. Your life as it has been... is over. From this time forward... you will service... us."

Hopper
03-15-2009, 09:09 PM
"I am Locutus... of Borg. Resistance... is futile. Your life as it has been... is over. From this time forward... you will service... us."
:lol:

Rod Seffen
03-16-2009, 03:06 AM
Well this thing has two aspects. It's the virtual screen and interface. And the lookup service involved with the "six sense".

The first aspect I thought was rather cleverly deviced. Especially using any surface as the "screen" by projecting. That's the biggest problem with most of the "surface computers" - they are really expensive because they are built around huge lcd screens, touch sensitive technology or image recognition and/or require a large space to fit fixed light projectors or whatnots.

Also, anyone dismissing this as simply gadgetry is imho totally missing the point. This is ubiquitous computing (UB). The whole point of UB is to integrate the gadgets so the hardware is essentially unnoticeable and create interfaces that are so intuitive that using them is as natural as tying your shoes. Consider if this system was a device no bigger than a silver dollar and you could keep it in your pocket at all times and still use it. Consider also that you could potentially be carrying around a version of Mudbox that you could boot up and use anywhere. I don't see what's gadgetry about that. It's just a very smallscale portable computer. It's useful and practical.



Well that's why it's useless, I work in my studio/office at home. I don't want to sit in a mountain glade using mudbox on a mini palmtop gadget. It's not practical. I require a large clear screen to see what I'm doing and a pen interface, and therefore a surface to draw on, access to reference materials, etc. Anyone who can do their work on a palmtop computer while picnicking by a lake isn't doing very much.
The weather is almost always **** here anyway.
So what if you can sue your finger to draw instead of a pen tablet. It makes no difference at all, it's not more accurate or faster.
Unless it has some specific tangible benefit, then it's pointless gadgetry for its own sake.

Rod Seffen
03-16-2009, 03:26 AM
This kind of technology is easily adaptable to do "work" related items.

Do you think the iPhone is simply a toy? If so, you would be sadly mistaken. If you are not involved in the corporate world, I wouldn't expect you to think otherwise, but in fact more people use these devices for work rather than play.

Almost everything I do on my iPhone is work related and I do quite a bit. All of our remote monitoring systems are integrated into custom iPhone apps as well as our remote HelpDesk system. Those alone have saved my company over $520k in additional desktop hardware costs this year.

So if you think these "gadgets" are useless, then you're entitled to your opinion. If you have no use for them, then for you, it's true. But to make such as sweeping statement that it's all "crap" is pretty ignorant.

Well, by definition, if you're using it for genuine practical purposes and can point to specific tangible benefits, then it's justified.
However you know perfectly well that the majority of people who own a mobile phones and the various other gadgets are not using them for such reasons.
We live in an age of want, want, want, where need is no longer an issue people have to consider. This is a good thing of course, if only people could retain some level of control and not just jump on any shiny object that happens to attract their eye.
I think self control is the most important of all virtues, as all your behaviour goes through that filter, and it's the filter that controls need Vs want.

evenflcw
03-16-2009, 04:01 AM
It's as useless or useful as your computer at work/home. And it can be as fast as you need, and it can show as pretty pictures as you want. Because it's a concept, not a finished product. An idea, not something they'll market today.

Also, you only "require" a large clear screen and a pen interface because you don't know better. It's what you know works best for you today. I wonder what you'll think tomorrow? *cough* zbrush *cough* mudbox *cough*

And yes, if it all was just an "idea" they presented then skies the limit and there's really nothing specific to discuss and no arguments to win. But I think that's the point of TED and their short presentations - to sow the seeds for new ideas.

Rod Seffen
03-16-2009, 04:12 AM
Here we go, it's the 'just think of the bad old days when you had to do stuff manually' argument.
Well I'm looking forward to the gadget that can shake my dick for me after a piss. That'll save a few seconds which I could be using to interface with the gadgets built into my eyeballs which mean I won't have to wear out my retinas.
Oh yes, then I'll surely laugh at the stupid sad cavemen who had to shake their own..

evenflcw
03-16-2009, 05:25 AM
I don't know where you read anything about manual labour in my post. But it is likely you will work differently in the future.

In any case, I think it would be a good idea for you to go take a piss! You seem so hard of seeing that I fear you might have a dick stuck in your eye.

Matt
03-16-2009, 06:56 AM
Pretty much sums up this thread ... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo)

Rod Seffen
03-16-2009, 07:31 AM
I don't know where you read anything about manual labour in my post. But it is likely you will work differently in the future.

In any case, I think it would be a good idea for you to go take a piss! You seem so hard of seeing that I fear you might have a dick stuck in your eye.

Gadgets are essentially labour saving devices. Mobile phones for example mean you can carry one with you rather than having to go to one. Mp3 players to avoid the logistics of transporting and catering for your own band, and seemingly in your ideal vision of the future, where you don't have the bother of meeting real women, but just project a hologram of one and interface with it via the special usb 5.0 cable you keep in your pants.

akademus
03-16-2009, 08:48 AM
I see it as inevitable future. There is nothing really wrong with it, but people seem to be hooked on what is suppose to be additional helper.

Today's kids have more in their cell phones than in their heads.

Anti-Distinctly
03-16-2009, 09:05 AM
What's wrong with labour saving devices?

jasonwestmas
03-16-2009, 09:35 AM
What's wrong with labour saving devices?

Like I said back a few posts, I would say nothing is wrong with em as long as it doesn't interfere with your own personal identity. . . your origin of existence that brought you joy in the first place. Technology is just a set of tools after-all. People are constantly looking for that next emotional "High" and tend to just dismiss past experiences because they lost their fervor. Lost intensity in general mainly because the memory was nothing substantial. Or maybe the person never found those personal experiences of the past fulfilling in the first place and seek to fill a void with sensationalism. Is an emotional narcotic or making one's life easier or faster lived going to fill that void? Now I'm getting pretty philosophical (Again), as we might as well ask the question of what is the "meaning of experience". It is the bombardment of irrelevant information for positive goals of the self that is the problem in this technological world, not necessarily the tech itself.

Hopper
03-16-2009, 10:09 AM
We live in an age of want, want, want, where need is no longer an issue people have to consider. This is a good thing of course, if only people could retain some level of control and not just jump on any shiny object that happens to attract their eye.
I think self control is the most important of all virtues, as all your behaviour goes through that filter, and it's the filter that controls need Vs want.
Well, I can't argue much with that. Gluttony has surely taken it's toll as of late. If people would just get their heads on straight and think once in a while we'd certainly be better off.

Rod Seffen
03-16-2009, 10:35 AM
What's wrong with labour saving devices?

Take a look at the world. This is what happens when we become dependant on labour saving devices. The population spirals out of control and consumes resources like a plague of locusts in a wheat field.
They aren't free, energy saved by you on some task has to be put into powering whatever device is doing it for you, not to mention the resources at energy put into initially constructing it.
And what are you saving all this time and labour for? Watching movies? Playing golf?

Anti-Distinctly
03-16-2009, 10:36 AM
Well, I can't argue much with that. Gluttony has surely taken it's toll as of late. If people would just get their heads on straight and think once in a while we'd certainly be better off.

With respect to the current financial goings on, I recall pondering on how the populous seemed to think it deserves all the material consumption it was gorging upon. I was standing at the sidelines just thinking there was something very wrong with the situation (I'm not claiming to be sage in these matters. Quite the opposite - it all just 'felt' wrong). And now we see that, indeed, it was wrong.
A bit off topic there, but hey. All I'm saying is that I do not consider myself much of a materialist at all. I do not watch television as such - but do watch the odd programme that I enjoy online when time permits. However, I do think that time saving and labour saving devices are useful. If they are not they tend to be forgotten as their uselessness becomes apparent.
The previous method of washing clothing worked just fine, but to hell with being without a washing machine I say. If this device matures into something truely practical and useful, then that's fine by me.

Anti-Distinctly
03-16-2009, 10:44 AM
Take a look at the world. This is what happens when we become dependant on labour saving devices. The population spirals out of control and consumes resources like a plague of locusts in a wheat field.

A sentiment I can heartily agree with.
Edit: Rod, is your sentiment one of concern of sustainability?



They aren't free, energy saved by you on some task has to be put into powering whatever device is doing it for you, not to mention the resources at energy put into initially constructing it.

I did not suggest they were free. Of course, agricultural industrialisation for example is significantly more efficient than subsistence farming. Or are you only referring to goods that are not 'essential'? (what is considered essential is perhaps another branch of the topic)



And what are you saving all this time and labour for? Watching movies? Playing golf?

Increasing productivity, more leisure time perhaps. Take your pick.

Anti-Distinctly
03-16-2009, 10:45 AM
Now I'm getting pretty philosophical (Again) You do have a tendency to do that Jason :D

CGI Addict
03-16-2009, 10:46 AM
Well, by definition, if you're using it for genuine practical purposes and can point to specific tangible benefits, then it's justified.
However you know perfectly well that the majority of people who own a mobile phones and the various other gadgets are not using them for such reasons.
We live in an age of want, want, want, where need is no longer an issue people have to consider. This is a good thing of course, if only people could retain some level of control and not just jump on any shiny object that happens to attract their eye.
I think self control is the most important of all virtues, as all your behaviour goes through that filter, and it's the filter that controls need Vs want.

Couldn't agree with you more on that second point.

Rod Seffen
03-16-2009, 10:49 AM
I did not suggest they were free. Of course, agricultural industrialisation for example is significantly more efficient than subsistence farming. Or are you only referring to goods that are not 'essential'? (what is considered essential is perhaps another branch of the topic)

Agricultural industrialisation and related technological and biological advancements are the main reason for the spiralling population problem, much more than medical advancements. The population is limited by how much food is available to feed it.

Anti-Distinctly
03-16-2009, 10:51 AM
Agricultural industrialisation and related technological and biological advancements are the main reason for the spiralling population problem, much more than medical advancements. The population is limited by how much food is available to feed it.

I edited my other post, but I'll repeat here for cohesion; is your sentiment a concern of sustainability?

Rod Seffen
03-16-2009, 11:55 AM
Probably more the unknown repercussions of the lengths we'll go to to achieve sustainability.
People are too greedy to ever give up anything, that's for sure, and the more they're offered the more they'll take, and of course the majority of the world haven't even reached the levels of resource usage and greed of the Western world yet, but they'll surely get here soon.

biliousfrog
03-16-2009, 12:04 PM
Rod, although I agree that current generations have lost their grip on what's important and I get extremely irritated with people (usually under the age of 25) wanting everything handed to them on a plate, I couldn't possibly agree that any form of new technology is pointless or 'just' a gimmick. The use of the technology is often pointless but anything new and innovative should be encouraged and embraced not just disregarded out of hand because you can't / don't want to use it.

Almost everything that you use on a daily basis has been produced in a far more efficient way than it would have been 10, 20, 50, 100 yrs ago...whether it's you producing a sculpture on the computer rather than using clay, using a pencil rather than charcoal or sitting in a comfy chair rather than a rock. It doesn't matter that most people use computers just to play games or watch porn, what matters is that without them you wouldn't be doing a job that you enjoy and have a group of strangers to abuse. The technology isn't the issue but the use of it can be.

If it wasn't for people experimenting with new technologies we'd all live in a very different world. Sure, some of the experiments might seem a bit stupid now but who knows what we might get out of them in a few years. Products like Wii and the various interactive display surfaces might not seem relevant to you but the technologies demonstrated by them offer a lot of potential for the disabled, young and elderly population as well as more tactile creative usages in the future...perhaps sculpting in a 3d environment rather than on a flat tablet?...or pushing a mesh around with your fingers like real clay?

biliousfrog
03-16-2009, 12:12 PM
Agricultural industrialisation and related technological and biological advancements are the main reason for the spiralling population problem, much more than medical advancements. The population is limited by how much food is available to feed it.

The main reason for a spiralling population round here is because you get more benefit from the government when you have more kids. I actually know a couple that had another child so that they could get a house upgrade and I've heard a lot of similar stories from other people. It's funny how the run down areas of the town seem to have satellite TV and 50" TV's in the lounge and all the kids have the latest football strips when we've only had 1 proper holiday in 11yrs and only replaced our TV because the other one died after 9yrs.

Anti-Distinctly
03-16-2009, 12:17 PM
Probably more the unknown repercussions of the lengths we'll go to to achieve sustainability.
People are too greedy to ever give up anything, that's for sure, and the more they're offered the more they'll take, and of course the majority of the world haven't even reached the levels of resource usage and greed of the Western world yet, but they'll surely get here soon.

It's a genuine concern to many people, me included. I'm so ideologically confused I don't know if I'm a staunch communist or capitalist. Always tends to be those annoying humans that tend to mess up any idea anyone has.
A general lack of empathy innate in people maybe. I don't know. My head hurts from trying to figure it out....best sit down, shut up and watch I'm a celebrity love island on ice.