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cresshead
03-01-2009, 03:54 AM
remember our old friend Oddity?

well he's made a video tutorial with mudbox here>>

http://area.autodesk.com/index.php/tutorials/tutorial_index/mudbox_head_sculpting/

hrgiger
03-01-2009, 04:06 AM
Log in required. Oh well...

3DGFXStudios
03-01-2009, 04:10 AM
Oddity... yea I remember him. He was so right........sometimes ;)

Thomas M.
03-01-2009, 04:48 AM
One of the best artists we did have in this forum ...

hrgiger
03-01-2009, 05:00 AM
One of the best artists we did have in this forum ...

He's very talented. He's also very arrogant, abusive, and impertinent.

jay3d
03-01-2009, 05:06 AM
To be a true artist is to be a polite one

Sarford
03-01-2009, 05:07 AM
Very good tutorial non the less. It is worth signing up for this video alone I think.

cresshead
03-01-2009, 05:11 AM
he's also working on a training dvd for sculpting the mermaid sculpt

grimoirecg
03-01-2009, 05:28 AM
To be a true artist is to be a polite one

Don't be silly. The exact opposite of that is true. To be a true artist is to completely ignore everyone else and to what you want. To have an idea an auteur it. To be a true artist is to be totally arrogant and confident. Take a look at a few biographies of classical art masters and I think you'll find none of them were very nice people, and some were quite erratic, verging on mentally ill.
I can see from his interview that being so 'arrogant, abusive, and impertinent' hasn't stopped him from rising in the CG world in a short time and working on some big projects with people like Peter Greenaway.
So much for your theories...

Cageman
03-01-2009, 05:44 AM
I can see from his interview that being so 'arrogant, abusive, and impertinent' hasn't stopped him from rising in the CG world in a short time and working on some big projects with people like Peter Greenaway.
So much for your theories...

Well...

You havn't been around here to see how and what he posted to new artists learning 3D. I, for one, would love to have an artist with Odditys skills to come here and inspire/help new artists to become better at what they are doing. However, Oddity was banned from this forum because he told people how crap they were and that they should stop doing 3D. He seldom gave any usefull critic that those people could learn from. It was very clear that he wanted people to feel bad... really bad at times.

If that is the kind of behaviour you are inspired by, then this forum is not for you.

hrgiger
03-01-2009, 06:16 AM
he's also working on a training dvd for sculpting the mermaid sculpt

I can just hear him now... Ok, you want to use the move brush for this, if you can't find the move brush then you're irretreivably stupid. Ok, now that that's done, it should look something like this, I mean, it won't look as good as mine for sure, but hopefully you're competent enough to get at least close. Now, don't be a retard and forget to save your work".

grimoirecg
03-01-2009, 06:47 AM
Well...

You havn't been around here to see how and what he posted to new artists learning 3D. I, for one, would love to have an artist with Odditys skills to come here and inspire/help new artists to become better at what they are doing. However, Oddity was banned from this forum because he told people how crap they were and that they should stop doing 3D. He seldom gave any usefull critic that those people could learn from. It was very clear that he wanted people to feel bad... really bad at times.

If that is the kind of behaviour you are inspired by, then this forum is not for you.


I do know him from another forum and I'm sure that's a total exaggeration.
I'd like to see you link even one thread where he told someone they were crap and should stop doing CG.
If he did hate beginners so much then why would he be making this tutorial and a DVD for them.

Kuzey
03-01-2009, 07:13 AM
I do know him from another forum and I'm sure that's a total exaggeration.
I'd like to see you link even one thread where he told someone they were crap and should stop doing CG.
If he did hate beginners so much then why would he be making this tutorial and a DVD for them.


Most of the ones where he attacked people, name calling and what not would have been deleted long ago...I would think.

But you could trying searching for them yourself, just the same :)

Kuzey

Darth Mole
03-01-2009, 07:14 AM
'Friend'? No. I don't think he has any.

3DGFXStudios
03-01-2009, 07:25 AM
http://forum.cgcharacter.com/image.php?u=63632&dateline=1168515420

Titus
03-01-2009, 07:30 AM
Use bugmenot if you want to skip the registration hassle:

http://www.bugmenot.com/view/area.autodesk.com

Cageman
03-01-2009, 07:42 AM
I do know him from another forum and I'm sure that's a total exaggeration.
I'd like to see you link even one thread where he told someone they were crap and should stop doing CG.
If he did hate beginners so much then why would he be making this tutorial and a DVD for them.

Making a DVD/video that he obviosly earn some money on is a totaly different matter all together.

He was warned and temporarily banned several times by the moderators of this forum.. but he never changed the way he commented on some of the WIP gallery images, and finaly he got a permanent ban. The moderators of this forum has a high level of tolerance. This can be seen in the numerous threads about off topic things, such as political and religious subjects that have some nasty comments in them.

With all this said I still think that Oddity is a very good artist and he excells in many areas. It's good for him that he has found a way to teach people without having to interact with them. :D

3DGFXStudios
03-01-2009, 07:49 AM
Use bugmenot if you want to skip the registration hassle:

http://www.bugmenot.com/view/area.autodesk.com

Hey thanks..........Really handy :D:thumbsup:

GandB
03-01-2009, 07:56 AM
I do know him from another forum and I'm sure that's a total exaggeration.
I'm afraid not; it was standard for Oddity to insult people here, on a steady basis...though he did do excellent work and obviously knew his stuff.

Skonk
03-01-2009, 08:01 AM
I remember reading a lot of his comments and I think his ban was totally justified.

But I have to admit, while watching his video right now he definatly seems to know his stuff.

Cageman
03-01-2009, 08:05 AM
I remember reading a lot of his comments and I think his ban was totally justified.

But I have to admit, while watching his video right now he definatly seems to know his stuff.

Yep... I never had any doubts about his talent.

JeffrySG
03-01-2009, 08:16 AM
Use bugmenot if you want to skip the registration hassle:

http://www.bugmenot.com/view/area.autodesk.com

Thanks! I wanted to see the video, but even during registration it said that every screen name I picked was not available. And I tried about 5 different random names.... lol

Titus
03-01-2009, 08:22 AM
Thanks! I wanted to see the video, but even during registration it said that every screen name I picked was not available. And I tried about 5 different random names.... lol

Yeah, I know what you mean. You end with a nickname like Titus2009 or something.

Kryos
03-01-2009, 08:30 AM
I do know him from another forum and I'm sure that's a total exaggeration.
I'd like to see you link even one thread where he told someone they were crap and should stop doing CG.
If he did hate beginners so much then why would he be making this tutorial and a DVD for them.

One Thread...... (http://www.newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71578)

Took all of 10 seconds. I couldn't back down from a challenge.

Now about the video, it isn't bad at all really.

steamthunk
03-01-2009, 08:35 AM
I do know him from another forum and I'm sure that's a total exaggeration.
I'd like to see you link even one thread where he told someone they were crap and should stop doing CG.
If he did hate beginners so much then why would he be making this tutorial and a DVD for them.

My one and only interaction with Oddity: http://www.newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48053&highlight=steamthunk

Pretty tame by his standard so it doesn't prove the point I suppose, but I was just starting out on LW at that point. Thankfully for me, he wasn't the only one to provide me some advice. I got his point, but it wasn't very instructive compared to what others ended up writing.

Anyway, in general I do think that artists should have some broader sense of what they want to achieve regardless of what a general public thinks. However, people should also have a sense of self-criticism so that they're not just stubbornly releasing crap. I think in developing that sense it's important to socialize with peers/community and therefore a balance between meaningless fawning and arrogant hostility is important.

My experience over the years is that this community is diverse enough to provide me with meaningful critiques as well as help solve problems. Thanks!

Hopper
03-01-2009, 08:39 AM
I can just hear him now... Ok, you want to use the move brush for this, if you can't find the move brush then you're irretreivably stupid. Ok, now that that's done, it should look something like this, I mean, it won't look as good as mine for sure, but hopefully you're competent enough to get at least close. Now, don't be a retard and forget to save your work".
LOL - so true. I can see him doing the "You Suck At PhotoShop" videos on YouTube.

akademus
03-01-2009, 08:47 AM
I also know the guy from Cgtalk and he is great artist. On the other hand this forum is kinda known for its fighting nature and many good people are being drawn away from it or dragged into fights.
I remember Policarpo for instance. But moderators can be strange sometimes. It's their forum after all.

UnCommonGrafx
03-01-2009, 08:55 AM
Oddity was great! I can only admit to envy when looking at the guys work and his willingness to speak his piece.
He would be the kind of Tutor that only those wanting to be great could tolerate. Glad to see he's still taking his art to the top and sharing.

tyrot
03-01-2009, 09:06 AM
dear wavers

i worked with him in several projects including his first game mod..He just attacks for heating things up...and also...he is attacking himself constantly ...so he told me once..."if i attack my own art like a mad man, i can say the truth in most brutal to newbees" or something like that

When you work with him you will see he is real cool and normal guy. I am so happy to see his achievements.

And also he is the one of the most hardcore lightwave users ever.

Best

JeffrySG
03-01-2009, 09:11 AM
Yeah, I know what you mean. You end with a nickname like Titus2009 or something.

No, I even tried 'JeffrySG987654321" and it said it wasn't available!!! Something must be wrong...

Titus
03-01-2009, 09:15 AM
He's Dr House of CG.

UnCommonGrafx
03-01-2009, 09:43 AM
Well said, Titus! Quite a good comparison.

ivanze
03-01-2009, 09:57 AM
He's Dr House of CG.

:ohmy::ohmy:

Skonk
03-01-2009, 10:03 AM
I get the impression a lot of people admire him for his honesty, his ability to say things that perhaps you wish you could say, to say things that perhaps you are thinking yourself.

But the fact is, there is a reason why you dont say them; because you have enough common sense to know when you need to hold something back because saying it would accomplish nothing and infact serves no purpose other than to hurt the person it's aimed at.

Just because he had the ability to speak his mind without the apparent burden of a conscience which sometimes we all wish we could do, doesn't make it right for him to say a lot of the things he said.

DiedonD
03-01-2009, 10:06 AM
Hah... Oddy! Dont we know of him!

He would humiliate someone so bad, and afterwards even when he tried to speak normally and try to forget about it, it took only a very small negative comment from him to make 'some people :D' get in touch with their visciousness about him!!

http://newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52140&highlight=king+kong&page=3

He even said that us here were just a game, where he can release his psychotherpeutical therapies upon, by expressing his furry outwards, or something.

Skills of his were that kept him way too long in here I think! I never thought that theyll ban him because of those skills of his. Thought NT couldnt afford to loose his skills, regardless of his attitude.

Was suprized that they did ban him. He got warned and got banned. Thats how it usually goes. But not necessarily though sadly!

Matt
03-01-2009, 10:18 AM
Great video by Rod there, it's a shame he was banned because he's obviously an extremely talented artist.

And to be honest, although his comments were quite acidic, they were often correct, he unfortunately just chose to express his views in that way.

Still, I wish him the best of luck, I have no hard feelings towards him at all, he never went off at me when he was here.

grimoirecg
03-01-2009, 10:41 AM
One Thread...... (http://www.newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71578)

Took all of 10 seconds. I couldn't back down from a challenge.

Now about the video, it isn't bad at all really.


Well you failed in the challenge then because Infinite is not a noob, he's a professional artist and should be able to take criticism, and that thread seems to be about the softcore porn aspect of the model, not about whether it's any good or not.
You guys are implying that he randomly attacked newbies and told them they were crap and should quit CG.

Matt
03-01-2009, 10:57 AM
Well you failed in the challenge then because Infinite is not a noob, he's a professional artist and should be able to take criticism, and that thread seems to be about the softcore porn aspect of the model, not about whether it's any good or not.
You guys are implying that he randomly attacked newbies and told them they were crap and should quit CG.

Come on, you can't seriously think that opening comment by oDDity in that thread was fair?

akademus
03-01-2009, 11:40 AM
He's Dr House of CG.

You nailed it!
One can get away only by being brilliant. What is really sad, brilliant people are often judged by, well, lets just say less brilliant people.

I know Infinite and watched him work, I think his techniques are brilliant too, but go and ask any woman what she thinks about the subjects he portrays.

crashnburn
03-01-2009, 12:37 PM
I should report you for degrading the fine art of character modeling with this cheap, tacky filth, and then having the audacity to parade it around the internet, instead of using it for your own pleasure.


Surely thats judging someone's ability. I can remember when I first came on this forum, and seeing some of Oddity's comments to noobs put me off posting for quite some time. It's quite clear that he made harsh jugdements about people that few people would tolerate. His initial comments to 8Infinite8 were to me verging on slander. 99.9% of the members of this forum have a great deal of respect for people and their attempts to make a start or improve their 3d skills no matter how good or bad. Respect costs nothing.

Having your work challenged can sometimes be a hard pill to swollow, but improves you because it makes you try harder. But to be insulted and degraded is not constructive and I'm sure something the forum doesn't need.

Iain
03-01-2009, 12:44 PM
I really liked they guy and I thought he was usually right. I cringed at the way he spoke sometimes but a forum needs personalities.
This one really misses contributions from artists of his calibre.

Skonk
03-01-2009, 12:48 PM
The image 8Infinite8 posted wasn't even in a very sexually provocative pose (imo) and was clothed (pretty much).

Looking at oddity's interview from the same page as the video, much of his own work involves nudity and in some cases posed in what I would consider to me a more "sexual" pose than that seen in 8Infinite8's image.

So it seems it's only pornographic if he himself didnt make it..

So does he have double standards or were the comments designed to be nothing more than insults and provocation (i.e with the sole purpose of hurting other people).

I really am glad he's gone.

jasonwestmas
03-01-2009, 12:48 PM
I can just hear him now... Ok, you want to use the move brush for this, if you can't find the move brush then you're irretreivably stupid. Ok, now that that's done, it should look something like this, I mean, it won't look as good as mine for sure, but hopefully you're competent enough to get at least close. Now, don't be a retard and forget to save your work".

HAHA! That's awesome. Yes he was a talented artist but I doubt he can teach anything to anyone. An instructor he is not, because he really doesn't care about helping people to improve in general. I have read enough to know the reasons why he was like that. Maybe he has changed a bit, who knows, it's possible.

akademus
03-01-2009, 12:53 PM
I really liked they guy and I thought he was usually right. I cringed at the way he spoke sometimes but a forum needs personalities.
This one really misses contributions from artists of his calibre.

You are so right, Iain.

I bet 50 quids Lee doesn't mind now ;)

UnCommonGrafx
03-01-2009, 12:58 PM
Conversations of art and artists...

Since they ban all the controversials, not likely we'll go for too long on this thread.


Iain, I had a whole bunch more typed but you've captured my thoughts more succinctly.

Iain
03-01-2009, 01:14 PM
The image 8Infinite8 posted wasn't even in a very sexually provocative pose (imo) and was clothed (pretty much).............

So it seems it's only pornographic if he himself didnt make it..


I disagree entirely. As Akademus says, ask your girlfriend/wife what they think of Oddity's nudes compared with the Infinite stuff. Both are technically excellent but have completely different artistic approaches.

To qualify that, my wife saw me admiring both and could understand one but not the other.

IMI
03-01-2009, 01:19 PM
Cool. I knew my "Area" membership would come in handy one day. ;)

kopperdrake
03-01-2009, 01:20 PM
I don't miss him in the slightest. There are plenty of good artists out there creating work to aspire to. His comments often led the post in which he commented to be about him and his opinions, in a way that often gratuitouslyoffended the original poster and others. I stopped reading the forums as much when he was at his peak as it tainted the whole forum with the smell of school bully who just couldn't grow up. Just because you're good doesn't mean you can be a complete arse - I'm betting if he acted like that within a team for long then he'd be out on his ear, unless he ran that team in which case good luck to anyone sensitive and who only grows through nurture rather than torture. I've met people like that before and I have no time for them - life is too short.

My wife wasn't distrubed at all by the subject - she said the skin didn't look quite right in tone and that her thighs looked a bit too fat (that was a joke I'm sure) but the subject wasn't offensive. It's all subjective. Classical statues were defaced in the past for their 'indecency', it's a culture thing, and in today's world of blurred cultural borders more a personal outlook on life.

JMCarrigan
03-01-2009, 01:24 PM
I've been very appreciative of people like oddity in my life. I've mentioned my friend Gerry elsewhere. He pushed all my buttons for years, he rubbed me the wrong way until I was suddenly free. "Free" in that I took suddenly responsibility for what I feel. No one makes me feel any certain way. I choose my feelings. There is nothing a change of mind cannot affect. Everything "out there" is a shadow of a decision already made. I change my mind about it and, poof, the shadow changes. There will come a time when not being a victim will be the cool in thing. N'est pas?

DogBoy
03-01-2009, 01:27 PM
The image 8Infinite8 posted wasn't even in a very sexually provocative pose (imo) and was clothed (pretty much).

nah, 8Infinite8's work is everything Rod said. It is all softporn, though of a high level of skill. That said, more power to him, he is very good at it. I just don't like his work. I don't like most of Rods work either. Those life studies are absolutely beautiful, but the line of twee romantic pseudo-classical sculptures he churns out are awfully kitsch.


Looking at oddity's interview from the same page as the video, much of his own work involves nudity and in some cases posed in what I would consider to me a more "sexual" pose than that seen in 8Infinite8's image.

Yeah, he never liked that being pointed out either ;)


So it seems it's only pornographic if he himself didnt make it.

Pretty much, yup.


So does he have double standards or were the comments designed to be nothing more than insults and provocation (i.e with the sole purpose of hurting other people).

He couldn't take criticism. I regret that sometimes I tried to lay into him, because he just rubbed me up the wrong way. But sometimes I could see issues in his work which I pointed out. He refused to admit a "lesser" artist maybe able to see issues in his work. He also was blind to large amounts of art history and history as a whole, as it didn't fit his world view. He believed he was the "best modeler" on these forums, and didn't believe anyone was within his skillrange.


I really am glad he's gone.

I kind of miss him. He was overly harsh sometimes, but mostly he was on the money. His work, as shown in the life studies in his interview, show he is a real talent. If having to put up with some of his arrogance was the cost for having him post his work here, I'd probably curb my annoyance at his b******t.

IMI
03-01-2009, 01:33 PM
Conversations of art and artists...

Since they ban all the controversials, not likely we'll go for too long on this thread.



Since when do they "ban all the controversials"?
They're a whole lot more tolerant here than any other 3D forum I've seen, for the most part.
It's true they'll issue out temp bans or "timeouts" from time to time, but I've seen a whole lot they've overlooked. A whole lot. I think they generally let people go alot further than they would like to allow, but just deal with it to avoid such sentiments as yours as much as possible.

BlueApple
03-01-2009, 01:35 PM
Great video, thanks for sharing the link.

Whenever someone is that good at something I usually find a lot of value just in watching them work. The audio on top of it describing the process (bone and muscle groups, etc.) is a great complement to the visuals.

Definitely worth watching.

IMI
03-01-2009, 01:42 PM
Great video, thanks for sharing the link.

Whenever someone is that good at something I usually find a lot of value just in watching them work. The audio on top of it describing the process (bone and muscle groups, etc.) is a great complement to the visuals.

Definitely worth watching.

I agree.
Although the audio is almost entirely in the right side channel, and became seriously annoying to me after a while.
Let's hope for his sake there aren't any professional audio producers who come across that presentation and publicly rip him a new one and humiliate and belittle him for his obvious complete lack of production skill or concern for the quality of the sound of the presentation. ;)

akademus
03-01-2009, 01:43 PM
What I believe, is that in order to become excellent in whatever you do at some point you need to admit you suck. It's so much easier if you don't do it in public and therefore it hurts a lot when someone else points it out for you in front of other people. Going after that one, doesn't help, either, actually it makes it worse.

His comments were sometimes (a lot of times) over edge, but they were honest. And honesty is what you need on your path of attaining enlightenment. You can't fix things if you don't know they're bad.

In my opinion, forum lost more than it gained with him leaving.

We now have (or don't have ;) ) one heck of an artist writing tutorials on autodesk forums instead of here.

jasonwestmas
03-01-2009, 01:49 PM
Since when do they "ban all the controversials"?
They're a whole lot more tolerant here than any other 3D forum I've seen, for the most part.
It's true they'll issue out temp bans or "timeouts" from time to time, but I've seen a whole lot they've overlooked. A whole lot. I think they generally let people go alot further than they would like to allow, but just deal with it to avoid such sentiments as yours as much as possible.

hehe, we and many others know NT hardly bans all controversial subjects. At least they tend not to till someone gets super offended and makes a huge fuss.

DogBoy
03-01-2009, 01:52 PM
We now have (or don't have ;) ) one heck of an artist writing tutorials on autodesk forums instead of here.

Well, his passion was always sculpting, so he was more than likely gonna end up on Zbrush or Mudbox tutes anyway. I seem to remember he was getting a bit annoyed with LightWave, but I maybe wrong.

His problem here was that he could be out and out abusive. There are far more obnoxious folks IMO still posting on this forum. They just don't make it so personal. In retrospect, I think he was unfairly punished.

jasonwestmas
03-01-2009, 01:52 PM
What I believe, is that in order to become excellent in whatever you do at some point you need to admit you suck. It's so much easier if you don't do it in public and therefore it hurts a lot when someone else points it out for you in front of other people. Going after that one, doesn't help, either, actually it makes it worse.

His comments were sometimes (a lot of times) over edge, but they were honest. And honesty is what you need on your path of attaining enlightenment. You can't fix things if you don't know they're bad.

In my opinion, forum lost more than it gained with him leaving.

We now have (or don't have ;) ) one heck of an artist writing tutorials on autodesk forums instead of here.

Rod is most likely really hard on himself to get to where he is. So in Rod's self abuse it tends to come out with his critical facade.

nomad108
03-01-2009, 01:56 PM
I knew oDDity before I came to this forum, probably from the same source that tyrot knew him. I greatly admire his skill, but his abusive nature deterred me from commenting in threads in which he would participate. (My skills as a hobbyist have muct to be desired.) Nonetheless, I was disappointed when he was banned, even though I am less hesitant to post, now.

In any case, thanks for the link to the video, Cresshead. It was very informative.

UnCommonGrafx
03-01-2009, 02:53 PM
Hmm, You are correct.
I hope to stay controversial yet unbanned.
:D :thumbsup:

Hmm, they ban all the ad hominem arguing controversials? How's that one? And it makes sense as that is part of their (NTs) forum policies.
I stand corrected.


Since when do they "ban all the controversials"?
They're a whole lot more tolerant here than any other 3D forum I've seen, for the most part.
It's true they'll issue out temp bans or "timeouts" from time to time, but I've seen a whole lot they've overlooked. A whole lot. I think they generally let people go alot further than they would like to allow, but just deal with it to avoid such sentiments as yours as much as possible.

UnCommonGrafx
03-01-2009, 02:58 PM
I am amazed that for such an "a hole" (sic) that he has managed to generate this much conversation.

And that someone HAS to be such to be a great artist surely isn't what anyone said, though I can see how someone might jump to that. Nope, just that some of THE GREATEST have this label on them. Not many of the greatest artists have "nice guy" any where in their vita.

He managed to begin and play a game that has lasted longer than he did around here.

IMI
03-01-2009, 03:07 PM
Hmm, they ban all the ad hominem arguing controversials? How's that one? And it makes sense as that is part of their (NTs) forum policies.
I stand corrected.

It depends on how one chooses to go about arguing. You can argue all day and all night here, about pretty much any subject no matter how far-removed from 3D and LW it is, until all the letters wear off your keyboard keys, and as long as you're not tossing vile insults and personal attacks at people you're not going to get banned. And even if you are you *might* not get banned.
And there are quite a few religion and political threads here to prove that.
Actually it seems more people have been banned in artistic and 3D software-related threads than the ones you would expect to be more likely candidates, like the aforementioned political and religious threads. (Which, just to mention it, are also supposedly verboten.)

"Controversial" is not necessarily synonymous with insulting, tactless, personal attacks. Many people are controversial without being asshats. ;)

IMI
03-01-2009, 03:16 PM
I am amazed that for such an "a hole" (sic) that he has managed to generate this much conversation.



Well, I don't know if that matters. I bet more people know about and have talked, written and read about Charles Manson than Oddity. ;)

IMI
03-01-2009, 03:30 PM
There are? :D

So I've been told. Personally I wouldn't waste my time. ;)

jasonwestmas
03-01-2009, 03:33 PM
So I've been told. Personally I wouldn't waste my time. ;)

PfffT, lol

Lightwolf
03-01-2009, 03:47 PM
So I've been told. Personally I wouldn't waste my time. ;)
Nor would I. Actually, I try to stay away from forums as much as possible. As you say, a complete waste of time.

Cheers,
Mike

Lightwolf
03-01-2009, 03:53 PM
I couldn't agree more. I don't know why people come to the forums anyway.
The poor sods probably don't have a life... I pity them.

Cheers
Mike

IMI
03-01-2009, 03:57 PM
Yup, same here.



I couldn't agree more. I don't know why people come to the forums anyway.

Agreed. I stopped posting in forums years ago.

Lightwolf
03-01-2009, 04:02 PM
Agreed. I stopped posting in forums years ago.
I don't even log in anymore...

Cheers,
Mike

IMI
03-01-2009, 04:10 PM
I don't even log in anymore...

Cheers,
Mike

Yeah, I hear ya.
I might if I could, but I gave up my internet connection quite a while back and haven't really missed it any.

jasonwestmas
03-01-2009, 04:11 PM
I might subscribe to certain threads, maybe once a week if I'm lucky.

jasonwestmas
03-01-2009, 04:12 PM
I keep running into this IMI guy.

IMI
03-01-2009, 04:23 PM
I find myself uncharacteristically at a loss for words. ;)

JMCarrigan
03-01-2009, 04:25 PM
I've been very appreciative of people like oddity in my life..... There will come a time when not being a victim will be the cool in thing....

I don't post anymore either. Someone is quoting me and making it LOOK I'm quoting myself, but I wouldn't do that.

Nah. Wouldn't be prudent.

Cageman
03-01-2009, 06:02 PM
I get the impression a lot of people admire him for his honesty, his ability to say things that perhaps you wish you could say, to say things that perhaps you are thinking yourself.

Actually... no... it's really easy to put people down... the TRICK is to tell them they have done bad things, but in a way that is encouraging.

THAT takes time to formulate into words... even more so when it comes to posting on a forum (no bodylanguage etc).

I just don't think that Oddity had that kind of patience when posting...

ncr100
03-01-2009, 07:45 PM
http://area.autodesk.com/player/loader.swf?p=/player/main.swf&f=/images/tutorials/the%20area/090227_0936/headtut.flv
Shortcut link.

*Pete*
03-01-2009, 09:34 PM
I do know him from another forum and I'm sure that's a total exaggeration.
I'd like to see you link even one thread where he told someone they were crap and should stop doing CG..


I always liked Oddity and in many ways i loved to read his comments, often negative and mostly very funny.

but there were times where he went too far, i mean...REALLY far, people stopped postin WIP's just for the fear that he might step in.

some of his initial comments could be helpfull, but he very fast lost his way and went too far...at times so far that i sat at home in total disbelief.

he attacked newbie artists but who he really hated was talented artists...


i do miss him and the positive sides of him, but truth be told..this forum is better off without him.

Nicolas Jordan
03-01-2009, 09:45 PM
He still says it like it is even on the Autodesk forums. :D

*Pete*
03-01-2009, 10:43 PM
I couldn't agree more. I don't know why people come to the forums anyway.

i come here time to time becouse of curiousity...but i rarely post anything, and if i do its only one or too words per post.

like "yes, no, maybe" on most issues.

as signs of agreement, disagreement or neutrality, it works well...most controversies are solved by simply agreeing with the controversial part, so that the discussion ends immeadetly, i do it all the time.

so if someone come of with a long post on something that i either disagree or agree with, i simply reply with a "no" if his post was positive and thus neutralise it, or with a "yes" if his post was negative.

if the post would have been more complicated, id just answer "maybe".

works wonders...my posts are allways short and to the point.
..i mean, those few times i post at all...after all, i have been promoted into a "Super Member" becouse of my exemplary posting dicipline.


as to your post...my reply is.

MAYBE.

IMI
03-01-2009, 10:48 PM
..i mean, those few times i post at all...after all, i have been promoted into a "Super Member" becouse of my exemplary posting dicipline.




If I were the type of guy to reply to something like that, which I'm not, but it would probably be something like :lol:

*Pete*
03-01-2009, 10:51 PM
If I were the type of guy to reply to something like that, which I'm not, it would probably be something like :lol:

yes.









(to end the inflammatory controversy, watch it in effect...a one word post is all it takes)



(why LOL??..stupid...i got promoted to a Super Member and you are just envious)



(do not reply into stuff inside (these)...its thinking out loud, im still going for the one word reply tactic)

IMI
03-01-2009, 10:56 PM
(why LOL??..stupid...i got promoted to a Super Member and you are just envious)


Maybe

(I am envious. Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of the Super Member...)

*Pete*
03-01-2009, 11:48 PM
speaking about excessive posting...Prospector is back.

i saw him post yesterday.

grimoirecg
03-02-2009, 03:07 AM
Actually... no... it's really easy to put people down... the TRICK is to tell them they have done bad things, but in a way that is encouraging.

THAT takes time to formulate into words... even more so when it comes to posting on a forum (no bodylanguage etc).

I just don't think that Oddity had that kind of patience when posting...

I don't know why you'd want to bother encouraging complete strangers on forums. If they haven't got the motivation within themselves do do well then they're never going to make it anyway. The people who make it, make it by themselves no matter what, you'll find that in most people who achieve anything in life, and who really cares about the ones that come hobbling along at the back leaning on someone's shoulder. Maybe you care about them, but it's not reasonable to expect others to do so, especially people like oddity who's taught himself to a high level within a few years, and probably can't understand why others can't do the same.
I think if you go through life expecting to be encouraged and helped towards your goals by strangers then you're going to be sorely disappointed.

Lightwolf
03-02-2009, 03:10 AM
I don't know why you'd want to bother encouraging complete strangers on forums.
Probably because this is, after all, meant to be a community. Complete strangers is a relative term in that context.
Also, if you can't be bothered to encourage, why be bothered to post something in the first place? Just to put someone down?

Cheers,
Mike

shrox
03-02-2009, 03:30 AM
He almost tore into me once, but then I activated the Cylon circuit in his brain and he backed off...

cresshead
03-02-2009, 03:31 AM
http://area.autodesk.com/player/loader.swf?p=/player/main.swf&f=/images/tutorials/the%20area/090227_0936/headtut.flv
Shortcut link.

actually it's this>>

http://area.autodesk.com/images/tutorials/the%20area/090227_0936/headtut.flv

Iain
03-02-2009, 03:36 AM
I don't know why you'd want to bother encouraging complete strangers on forums. If they haven't got the motivation within themselves do do well then they're never going to make it anyway.

Believe it or not there are people who come here to gather and/or share knowledge. There are those who are here purely to troll, engage in debates (usually in topics that are off limits,) or try to assert some kind of intellectual superiority through putdowns but thankfully they are a minority.

Like most forum communities, members here with more experience help and encourage those with less, probably in much the same way they were helped and encouraged when they started out. It's a free critique service.

To get (almost) back on topic, critiques don't have to be gentle and in fact the harsher ones can be the most helpful but it's true Oddity could be tactless to say the least. He did however, offer useful help on many occasions and even provided sculpting tutorials. His ban was inevitable but it's been a much duller place since he went.

akademus
03-02-2009, 04:13 AM
Believe it or not there are people who come here to gather and/or share knowledge. There are those who are here purely to troll, engage in debates (usually in topics that are off limits,) or try to assert some kind of intellectual superiority through putdowns but thankfully they are a minority.

Like most forum communities, members here with more experience help and encourage those with less, probably in much the same way they were helped and encouraged when they started out. It's a free critique service.

To get (almost) back on topic, critiques don't have to be gentle and in fact the harsher ones can be the most helpful but it's true Oddity could be tactless to say the least. He did however, offer useful help on many occasions and even provided sculpting tutorials. His ban was inevitable but it's been a much duller place since he went.

I agree, completely.
Luckily, it's easy to recognize people who use forums for all other things except improving their actual skills in 3D and don't engage with them. They don't post their works, never share their techniques and their artwork is the best lie detector because it's not improving.

btw and on topic I just went through Rons tutorial and it's quite good one. Some useful info there.

DiedonD
03-02-2009, 05:05 AM
I don't know why you'd want to bother encouraging complete strangers on forums. If they haven't got the motivation within themselves do do well then they're never going to make it anyway.


Well I think helping them is great in so many reasons! For example I was helped greatly, and not in 3D only neither! Thus theres somewhat of a payback involved in my feelings in getting back the goods invested in me. Its a 'What goes around, comes around, thing'. I was only once asked to make Tips and Tricks one day, and thats it! It set me off! Wish it was more involving from other members aswell, then we wouldve reached at 1001 alot faster. See the link below in my signature.


The people who make it, make it by themselves no matter what, you'll find that in most people who achieve anything in life, and who really cares about the ones that come hobbling along at the back leaning on someone's shoulder.


Well I too think that when one wants to reach a certain goal, would indeed reach it one day! But... Why must he be alone on that road? Its not leaning on shoulder parasitaclly, most people that have contacted me for help, are in a state of crisis, they have a burning image that needs to be released, but its trapped by unknowledge!! Just a quick suggestion, and you set them loose free for a while longer. Its a good feeling, you should try it :)


Maybe you care about them, but it's not reasonable to expect others to do so, especially people like oddity who's taught himself to a high level within a few years, and probably can't understand why others can't do the same.


Well nobody told me that I MUST help others neither! And if they did, I probably wouldnt have! Besides, we are talking about Oddys ways at helping people. I too think that he was too harsh on himself, and that worked for him in beeing elevated to those levels! The mistake there is generalizing from ones experience, and using that personal definition of elevation to others, in means of helping, and those means were insultive and too harsh to others, and it didnt worked on them. Now, Ive heard about Nurture VS Nature, but as someone said, it was either Nurture or Torture with this guy. That I think suits him well.


I think if you go through life expecting to be encouraged and helped towards your goals by strangers then you're going to be sorely disappointed.


Who dissapointed you? Hope its wasnt done in here at these forums!

*Pete*
03-02-2009, 05:21 AM
yes, the blame belongs not only to Oddity...there was many who took some of his more innocent comments and misinterpreted them just to create a conflict.

he was cool, he was funny, fantastic modeller..he had a lot of good points, but still...truth to be told, he was not without his faults...instead of having him banned, id like to see a Oddity_light version on these forums, but it was up to Oddity himself to become a _Light person...he didnt and he got banned.

even though he was not the only one to blame, he was a big part of the fights we had on these forums.

i agree with Iain..its more boring here without him.

akademus
03-02-2009, 05:27 AM
oddity is cool in my book. I'll take one of him over any amount of the usual whiners, chronic speculators and petty trolls.

Sure he could be a bit too much sometimes. But he was nothing compared to veritable flood of thin-skinned, easily bruised vultures who would pile up in the threads after he had posted something. His perceived offense paled in comparison to the petty thread flooding that followed.

The worse are the ones taking freedom to criticize him while they are way bellow on the ladder of becoming successful in this job.

Whenever there was something beyond my current perception, understanding and skills I found strength to admire it instead of placing a critique.

However, majority of whiners, chronic speculators and petty trolls drop off and loose the race by themselves. I've seen it happening many times before.

DiedonD
03-02-2009, 05:43 AM
even though he was not the only one to blame, he was a big part of the fights we had on these forums.

i agree with Iain..its more boring here without him.

There were plenty fights before indeed! And they were way worse of a level than what Oddy would do!

It all comes to insecurity! Having one Odd bully patroling the area, would spread insecurity feelings that others would interact, each to his own ways!

But is that what we must do here just to keep it more exciting?

Cageman
03-02-2009, 06:02 AM
I think if you go through life expecting to be encouraged and helped towards your goals by strangers then you're going to be sorely disappointed.

There are many pros on this forum that helps people without knowing them in person. There are many examples of that. After all, this is a industry (small one at best) and we help eachother all the time, wether or not we know eachother.

This can be said about videotutorials as well. Why would people (or oddity, or anyone for that matter) bother doing videotutorials if they didn't care about teaching/showing?

grimoirecg
03-02-2009, 06:14 AM
OK, I have to admit that I am Rod Seffen. It's just too weird taking part in this thread about me without coming clean.
It does somewhat prove a point though, since no one guessed or suspected it was me just from my style of posting over a number of months, as no one was reading any of my posts with preconceived notions, unlike with 'oddity'.
I have actually been reading though some posts from years ago by 'oddity' and it's quite an 'odd' experience. I can't remember writing most of it and so it's almost like it was written by someone else now.
I can now read them like everyone else was reading them at the time and some of it is way over the top, but neverko is correct, it was seriously compounded by a flood of people who would come into threads to argue with what I had said, completely ignoring the original topic, and then accuse me of making the thread about myself. I would post entirely on topic and it's everyone who followed who would make it about me and what I'd said.
I admit that once I had a certain group of people who I could so easily provoke it became fun to do so, and I did it on purpose sometimes.
The thread that got me banned was not for fun though, I did have serious ideological issues with what lee perry smith is doing, but it's not worth discussing any further.
This is all a bit crazy though, that I'm, or he, is being discussed so long after the fact, I wonder if a nice helpful guy who had just decided to stop posting a year ago would cause any debate at all? So what does that say about some of you? It's like the Ricky Gervais gag - if you want to become famous all you have to do is murder a few prostitutes and then write a book about it in prison, and people will queue up to buy it, because that's what some people are like.
I don't know what you guys some to forums for, but for me it's largely just for fun, a quick break from working for a while every now and then, which explained my 'playful' attitude, even if some people called it trolling...for me forums are a way of trying on different personalities, you can be anyone you want, so choosing yourself every time would be quite boring (and narcissistic).

DiedonD
03-02-2009, 06:37 AM
OK, I have to admit that I am Rod Seffen. It's just too weird taking part in this thread about me without coming clean.
It does somewhat prove a point though, since no one guessed or suspected it was me just from my style of posting over a number of months, as no one was reading any of my posts with preconceived notions, unlike with 'oddity'.
I have actually been reading though some posts from years ago by 'oddity' and it's quite an 'odd' experience. I can't remember writing most of it and so it's almost like it was written by someone else now.
I can now read them like everyone else was reading them at the time and some of it is way over the top, but neverko is correct, it was seriously compounded by a flood of people who would come into threads to argue with what I had said, completely ignoring the original topic, and then accuse me of making the thread about myself. I would post entirely on topic and it's everyone who followed who would make it about me and what I'd said.
I admit that once I had a certain group of people who I could so easily provoke it became fun to do so, and I did it on purpose sometimes.
The thread that got me banned was not for fun though, I did have serious ideological issues with what lee perry smith is doing, but it's not worth discussing any further.
This is all a bit crazy though, that I'm, or he, is being discussed so long after the fact, I wonder if a nice helpful guy who had just decided to stop posting a year ago would cause any debate at all? So what does that say about some of you? It's like the Ricky Gervais gag - if you want to become famous all you have to do is murder a few prostitutes and then write a book about it in prison, and people will queue up to buy it, because that's what some people are like.
I don't know what you guys some to forums for, but for me it's largely just for fun, a quick break from working for a while every now and then, which explained my 'playful' attitude, even if some people called it trolling...for me forums are a way of trying on different personalities, you can be anyone you want, so choosing yourself every time would be quite boring (and narcissistic).


You mean... Your Oddity?!

Hope this is that Oddity_Light version that was mentioned?

I still think King Kong shouldnt have died though :D

DiedonD
03-02-2009, 06:58 AM
At best I thought Grim was some die hard Oddy fan, that blinded by fanatism couldnt see through the facts of former Oddy! But beeing the devil himself! (:D) , never came to me, to the point that I still doubt it thus far!

How about some proof? Show us your artwork! Something good and something that isnt in any other Oddies galleries thus far! :hey:

jasonwestmas
03-02-2009, 07:07 AM
If you are Rod, tell us what you said to Chuck when he confronted you about your brash behaviour. It involved taking off your kid-gloves. . . Then insult me in a style that would be true to Oddity's persona. :D

Cageman
03-02-2009, 07:21 AM
dear wavers

i worked with him in several projects including his first game mod..He just attacks for heating things up...and also...he is attacking himself constantly ...so he told me once..."if i attack my own art like a mad man, i can say the truth in most brutal to newbees" or something like that



Whatever he does to make him better, may not at all work for another person. We are all humans, yes, but that doesn't mean we all work the same way regarding how we learn things.

Just something to think about...

:)




When you work with him you will see he is real cool and normal guy.

That's not the impression he left, but I don't have any reasons not to believe you.



And also he is the one of the most hardcore lightwave users ever.

Which is really cool, since LW, for the most part nowdays, isn't used for the type of stuff he is doing.

dnch
03-02-2009, 07:35 AM
btw. i dont know him at all, i've seen some of his pictures on cgportfolio..
anyway.. copiing another artists (even old and traditional) does not make him artist.. just someone with great techniques / skills / talent.. but not artist..

akademus
03-02-2009, 07:46 AM
btw. i dont know him at all, i've seen some of his pictures on cgportfolio..
anyway.. copiing another artists (even old and traditional) does not make him artist.. just someone with great techniques / skills / talent.. but not artist..

That is called studying! Copy the works of masters in order to understand shape, lighting and interaction between the two.

cresshead
03-02-2009, 07:46 AM
btw. i dont know him at all, i've seen some of his pictures on cgportfolio..
anyway.. copiing another artists (even old and traditional) does not make him artist.. just someone with great techniques / skills / talent.. but not artist..

which he agrees with btw if you've read the interview...he calls himself an artisan not an artist as he's not trying to 'say' anything with his work...just make good sculpts.

dnch
03-02-2009, 07:52 AM
That is called studying! Copy the works of masters in order to understand shape, lighting and interaction between the two.

well i know that, i understand that, but still it itself does not make him artist

dnch
03-02-2009, 07:54 AM
which he agrees with btw if you've read the interview...he calls himself an artisan not an artist as he's not trying to 'say' anything with his work...just make good sculpts.

well i didnt read it yet.. my fault.. just reacting to things others write about him... artisan is quite good name for what he does:)

anyway i really admire his skills...
maybe he is artist.. but not visual but social:)

UnCommonGrafx
03-02-2009, 09:08 AM
This has got to be one of the more surreal thread turnabouts I've ever encountered!!

That is too funny. Never met you, Rod, but I sure hope you let the "R" rated Oddity persona out once in a blue moon. I've enjoyed your banter. This milder revelation of you is interesting, as well.

Too cool. Too funny. To surreal.

realgray
03-02-2009, 09:46 AM
This has got to be one of the more surreal thread turnabouts I've ever encountered!!

That is too funny. Never met you, Rod, but I sure hope you let the "R" rated Oddity persona out once in a blue moon. I've enjoyed your banter. This milder revelation of you is interesting, as well.

Too cool. Too funny. To surreal.

proud to announce this thread directed and produced by Mr. M. Night Shyamalan :D

IMI
03-02-2009, 10:01 AM
proud to announce this thread directed and produced by Mr. M. Night Shyamalan :D


Didn't he create that stupid travesty where the damn plants and trees started killing people?
The only recent movie I felt compelled to watch with a bag over my head so nobody would know it was me. :D

IMI
03-02-2009, 10:05 AM
OK, I have to admit that I am Rod Seffen. It's just too weird taking part in this thread about me without coming clean.


I see no point in going on about what Oddity was or wasn't, FWIW.

Thank you though for the really great tutorial! Even if it is annoying to have the sound mostly in the right channel (small things like that really bug me for some reason), the information in it is well worth dealing with any minor concerns like that. :thumbsup:

JMCarrigan
03-02-2009, 10:48 AM
oddity is cool in my book. I'll take one of him over any amount of the usual whiners, chronic speculators and petty trolls.

Sure he could be a bit too much sometimes. But he was nothing compared to veritable flood of thin-skinned, easily bruised vultures who would pile up in the threads after he had posted something. His perceived offense paled in comparison to the petty thread flooding that followed.

On the money.

grimoirecg
03-02-2009, 03:33 PM
Thank you though for the really great tutorial! Even if it is annoying to have the sound mostly in the right channel (small things like that really bug me for some reason), the information in it is well worth dealing with any minor concerns like that. :thumbsup:

Well it wasn't actually meant for public consumption, it was made a few months ago as a tester/teaser for the guys I'm making the DVD for (eat3d.com)
Autodesk wanted a tut so I tossed them that one to save having to do another one, so no thanks are necessary. The sound was recorded via a camcorder on the desk beside me so I'm not surprised it's wonky. I have a proper mic now though.


This has got to be one of the more surreal thread turnabouts I've ever encountered!!

That is too funny. Never met you, Rod, but I sure hope you let the "R" rated Oddity persona out once in a blue moon. I've enjoyed your banter. This milder revelation of you is interesting, as well.

oDDity has been banned from several forums by now, and warned on all the rest, so it's probably wise to quit. I am after all a freelancer and the internet and CG galleries are one way of getting work, so being banned from all of them is not a very smart move :D

UnCommonGrafx
03-02-2009, 04:43 PM
Dagnabit!
Don't you go being a nice guy and all! There's still some venom left for you out there as is evidenced by this thread. lmAo

Great to see 'you' are back in the fold of conversation around here.

Looking forward to your participation around here. Now, go make an oDDity banned avatar for yourself. haha

jasonwestmas
03-02-2009, 05:36 PM
Well if you are who you say you are, then welcome back. It's always good to add more personality to any forum.

DiedonD
03-03-2009, 12:09 AM
oDDity has been banned from several forums by now, and warned on all the rest, so it's probably wise to quit. I am after all a freelancer and the internet and CG galleries are one way of getting work, so being banned from all of them is not a very smart move :D


Theres nothing that a few warnings and preasure cant change really...

If your changed, welcome back.

Now about King Kong... :D

Iain
03-03-2009, 01:28 AM
OK, I have to admit that I am Rod Seffen. It's just too weird taking part in this thread about me without coming clean.


Hah!

You would have gotten away with it too if it hadn't have been for those pesky kids.

cresshead
03-03-2009, 01:35 AM
Well it wasn't actually meant for public consumption, it was made a few months ago as a tester/teaser for the guys I'm making the DVD for (eat3d.com)
Autodesk wanted a tut so I tossed them that one to save having to do another one, so no thanks are necessary. The sound was recorded via a camcorder on the desk beside me so I'm not surprised it's wonky. I have a proper mic now though.



oDDity has been banned from several forums by now, and warned on all the rest, so it's probably wise to quit. I am after all a freelancer and the internet and CG galleries are one way of getting work, so being banned from all of them is not a very smart move :D

i should have guessed with your location>>"Meland"....:thumbsup:

nice to see you back here.

*Pete*
03-03-2009, 03:15 AM
OK, I have to admit that I am Rod Seffen. It's just too weird taking part in this thread about me without coming clean.

hah!!..i thought there was some kind of a familiar mindset in this "grimoire" guy who defended oDDity and his critisisms :D

anyawy, welcome back..you have been missed.

and while you are here, why not update us on your latest artwork?..i have seen some here and some there but im sure i missed a lot.

meshpig
03-03-2009, 03:31 AM
To be a true artist is to be a polite one

Yes quite! Like Michelangelo Merisi da Caravaggio and Lord Byron, or the Marquis de Sade, or Paganini Niccolò, Oscar Wilde, Van Gogh, Bach, et al, etc. etc.

- I thought he carried on with a lot of bollocks most of the time but we can forgive him for that.

m:)

meshpig
03-03-2009, 03:57 AM
...for me forums are a way of trying on different personalities, you can be anyone you want, so choosing yourself every time would be quite boring (and narcissistic).

Well, there you go: "Surface is woman's soul, a mobile, stormy film on shallow water". (Nietzsche:TST). I think some of us would agree.

m:)

Otterman
03-03-2009, 04:19 AM
I always thought by hiding behind a profile and hurtling abuse at fellow forum users was pretty lame...to the point of cowardness! I mean im pretty passionate about cg and get a kick out of sharing work, ideas and solutions with you guys, but to twist the lightwave forums for some kinda personal sadistic satisfaction to the detriment of others.....that just says alot about the size of the guys phallus! I mean, look through his work....he does seem to have preoccupation with em!

Anyways, im prepared to move on...that is all hopefully in the past!

Now can we get back to CG please!

DiedonD
03-03-2009, 04:21 AM
Yes quite! ...Marquis de Sade, or ...et al, etc. etc.

m:)

I dont know why you think that using Marquis de Sade is going to proove you right about artists impoliteness!

To the contrary proves you wrong, cause surely the man that created the term sadism was a very caring and loving person (:D)

Reminds me of a joke:

So a sadist and a massochist go upstairs for some fun. And the masochist goes like:

- Tear my hair, scratch the living bits of me, go ahead torture the light out of my life, PLEEEASSSEEEEE!!!

And the sadist replies:

- Nope! :devil:

hrgiger
03-03-2009, 04:22 AM
OK, I have to admit that I am Rod Seffen.


Well, welcome back Rod. Still using LW much these days? What are your thoughts on Core? (from the little we know so far)

Rod Seffen
03-03-2009, 05:51 AM
Thought I'd better just sign up as myself to avoid any confusion.
I'm not sure about core. A lot of the work I've done in lightwave is dependant upon worley plugins and I'm not sure how that will change with core. I can see core taking a long time to develop to a fully fledged and usable app.
No, I don't have any work that you won't have seen somewhere, I haven't much time for personal projects these days, the last big one was portrait of a girl which I'm sure you've all seen, and that was 6 months ago. (Jim Plant even sent me congratulatory email for that one, which was unexpected) When I do get time to do some personal work these days it's just quick figure sculpts. I still use modeler though for making base meshes and posing etc.

*Pete*
03-03-2009, 08:17 AM
which of Worleys plugs are you using?

ah, the Girl...i showed it to many people, most simply refused to believe it was 3D.
i also liked the milkmaid that you made...now as i come to think about it, you never made a bad sculpture or image, except one that i didnt like (ancient warrior with spear) becouse of his thin shoulders that made me feel...claustrophobic for some reason, like if the shoulders would be too close to his body to be functional...no critic on your work though, only the feeling that it gave me.

*Pete*
03-03-2009, 08:20 AM
oh, and about CORE...i thought you might have been intrested in it since it is going to be getting loads of improvements for the modeller part of it...the ability to work with multi-million poly objects (that rely on your gfx card) and so on could perhaps be of intrest for someone like you.

Jay showed a dragon, subd'd to 57 million polys..all on a small laptop.

anyway, not trying to sell you the product, just thinking out loud...;)

shrox
03-03-2009, 08:46 AM
Maybe it WAS that Cylon circuit in his head...I'd better check my head.

LightWuv
03-03-2009, 11:34 AM
Welcome back Rod. :)

And it's a nice tutorial, thanks! What you're saying about knowledge of anatomy probably can't be said often enough :D

wacom
03-03-2009, 03:20 PM
What I believe, is that in order to become excellent in whatever you do at some point you need to admit you suck.


I'd argue your not pushing yourself enough if one second you're thinking you're a demi-god and then next a complete waste! I'm not hard enough on myself, and I'm constantly surprised by those who are more than happy with their wares day in and day out.

There are all sorts of temperaments and talents, and I don't think one sort leads to the other, but the ability to critique and BE critiqued is essential. I think anyone who's worked professionally as an artist or crafts person is use to critique. I would argue though that the difference between someone like oddity and say an excellent director would be the form of the critiques delivery and a solid understanding of timing when it comes to the stick and carrot routine.

(Trust me- I've had a character likened to a vibrator by an art director- and the delivery only gave laughs and smiles all around- including for me!)

So while he says he'd never like to be part of a major studio, he's also probably not going to be part of one until he's either so famous they'ed all take him in a heart beat, or he learns a bit of the etiquette.

One thing is for certain- his great work coupled with the stigma associated with his name is a great publicity generator!

Bog
03-03-2009, 03:20 PM
*shrugs* I've never had an issue with the man's work - it is truly spectacular. But there are a lot of spectacular artists out there, most of which have got the sense to wind their neck in and act professional. In all their walks of life. I wouldn't hire him on a bet unless he's changed his tune, for the simple reason that I'd be mortally embarrassed when a client's idle Google turned up his attitude.

Nothing would please me more than oDDity learning a bit about not being horrible to people. He's a seriously good artist, and proof of what can happen when you truly apply yourself to the subject matter. Sadly, every time I've happenned across him he's also been proof of Gabriel's Law, too. *shrugs* I'll give him every chance if he comes back here. Everyone deserves time to learn.

wacom
03-03-2009, 03:36 PM
That is called studying! Copy the works of masters in order to understand shape, lighting and interaction between the two.

I agree!

This whole copy things is ridiculous. One of the few good things I can say about "post modern" works is the fact that they fully acknowledge that everything that seems "original" is often, at best, an amalgam of previous thoughts, ideas, and their execution.

So in a way we come full circle with more classical times (though the execution of work is different, but lets conveniently forget about that for the moment).

Besides- you have to study even certain basic fundamentals, consciously or unconsciously, if you're going to learn how to "create" anything- even if it's abstracted (and esp. so). He's just going the direct route and parking his ego at the door. Besides- it's much faster to learn from those who have already learned instead of banging your head against a wall all the time and forging your own path- esp. when human anatomy is at play.

At worst he's developing critical skills in observation- which is a hell of a lot when it comes to understanding what makes an image- any image. This is very different from a copy, he's being "constructive" about looking/understanding- but it's only between the ears that this happens. If you just sit in front of a statue and act like a copy machine doing great blind contour drawings you're only going to get so far.

So yeah- maybe for where he's going with his work he's a master student, but what else would you have him do? Would you ask a rocket scientist to make a new form of mathematics to create a new rocket?

Rod Seffen
03-03-2009, 04:54 PM
You can all stop talking about me in the third person now that I'm actually here.

LightFreeze
03-03-2009, 04:59 PM
OMG, welcome back, its been a bit quiet since you left :thumbsup:

wacom
03-03-2009, 05:00 PM
You can all stop talking about me in the third person now that I'm actually here.

Wacom thinks Oddity is right in that they can stop talking about Oddity in the third person. Still, Wacom is not sure Oddity would really care in the end since he is the reincarnate of sculptors from a bygone era.

ThriJ
03-03-2009, 05:31 PM
Muahaha the perfectly executed plan to reveal Oddity’s alias has come to fruition!!! :ohmy:


I think the fact that the NewTek guys have not already zapped Oddity back into oblivion shows how restraint and cool they are as moderators.

I really look forward to seeing his comments and critiques without being an a s s. 8~

If Oddity keeps his cool after we talk about him in the third person for about four more pages, then he really has turn over a new leaf!:D



welcome back

jameswillmott
03-03-2009, 05:39 PM
Muahaha
I think the fact that the NewTek guys have not already zapped Oddity back into oblivion shows how restraint and cool they are as moderators.

Either that or they just don't know...

Welcome back Rod, for however long it might be!

MooseDog
03-03-2009, 06:54 PM
Wacom thinks Oddity is right in that they can stop talking about Oddity in the third person. Still, Wacom is not sure Oddity would really care in the end since he is the reincarnate of sculptors from a bygone era.

:lol::lol::lol: rflmfao thank you for that!

and rod, yes, welcome. should be a good time!

DiedonD
03-04-2009, 12:43 AM
No, I don't have any work that you won't have seen somewhere, I haven't much time for personal projects these days, the last big one was portrait of a girl which I'm sure you've all seen, ...

Which girl is that? I havent seen it! And perhaps others havent seen it aswell! Where is it?

meshpig
03-04-2009, 01:10 AM
I dont know why you think that using Marquis de Sade is going to proove you right about artists impoliteness!

To the contrary proves you wrong, cause surely the man that created the term sadism was a very caring and loving person (:D)

Reminds me of a joke:

So a sadist and a massochist go upstairs for some fun. And the masochist goes like:

- Tear my hair, scratch the living bits of me, go ahead torture the light out of my life, PLEEEASSSEEEEE!!!

And the sadist replies:

- Nope! :devil:

Ha!, cheesy!

Well, I rather meant like Albert Einstein was a complete bastard to his children.

- In that case you would say "the contrary proves you wrong". "To the contrary" is present tense.

- Yes, he was but the term "Sadism" came later. As was the man who the term "Masochism" came from: Sacher Masoch.

m

DiedonD
03-04-2009, 01:22 AM
Ha!, cheesy!

Well, I rather meant like Albert Einstein was a complete bastard to his children.

- In that case you would say "the contrary proves you wrong". "To the contrary" is present tense.

- Yes, he was but the term "Sadism" came later. As was the man who the term "Masochism" came from: Sacher Masoch.

m

The funny thing about Masoch, was that he found that psychological facet, on women mostly! So women beeing sublime was always there :D It just came to surface by his study.

Didnt know that about Einstein! What kinda bastard behavior are we talking about here?

And as I said, my english isnt as good. Not my mother tongue. This is all coming from a Transformers series cartoons, as a base.for future building of english.

meshpig
03-04-2009, 03:12 AM
The funny thing about Masoch, was that he found that psychological facet, on women mostly! So women beeing sublime was always there :D It just came to surface by his study.

Didnt know that about Einstein! What kinda bastard behavior are we talking about here?

And as I said, my english isnt as good. Not my mother tongue. This is all coming from a Transformers series cartoons, as a base.for future building of english.

No problem, your doing fine. English must be a pain to learn as a Second Language.

See "To the contrary" here from the New York Times...

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE2D61E3FF932A05750C0A9679582 60

Einstein... not slurring the guy but he was apparently a bit of an ape at home.

http://www.pbs.org/opb/einsteinswife/milevastory/index.htm

m

PS. Yes, Masoch had the idea that Jesus and Mary were "contractually" engaged in what we would call a "Masochistic act" ie. the crucifixion ( never mind al that ******** Da Vinci code nonsense) against the law of god, or the law of the Father in reality.

Essential to Masoch is the idea that a mother and son in the Oedipal sense have an interest in working against the Paternal Law, as it were.

Whereas de Sade is more like a daughter's co-opting of the Father against Institutions.

The 2 should never never meet.

DiedonD
03-04-2009, 04:14 AM
Yeah but they do!

Cant seem to find any links right now, but we were told that pacients got hospitalized by them two meeting and going too far with their passions!

meshpig
03-04-2009, 04:20 AM
No problem, your doing fine. English must be a pain to learn as a Second Language.

See "To the contrary" here from the New York Times...


From the New York Times..."The phrase to the contrary usually modifies or objects to a specific noun just mentioned; on the contrary usually marks a contrast with a whole argument or position that precedes it. The to pinpoints only the objectionable word; the on signals a complete refutation of the earlier argument."

But of course the Yanks are talking through their hat there. Home of whoppers like "tautologically repeating what's already been said".


m:)

Medi8or
03-05-2009, 07:11 AM
I think the fact that the NewTek guys have not already zapped Oddity back into oblivion shows how restraint and cool they are as moderators.

welcome backBut he's not back, is he. We have a totally new member called Rod Seffen.

Quote: ".. for me forums are a way of trying on different personalities, you can be anyone you want, so choosing yourself every time would be quite boring (and narcissistic)."

Choosing Oddity every time wouldn't be much better than choosing yourself every time.. :)

Exception
03-05-2009, 08:16 AM
Just to stick up for Oddity here, but not to rehash everything that has already been said...

I never jived with Oddity, and sure we had our arguments. But he was as often helpful as he was critical, mostly both, which did not go unnoticed. One really important note: His opinions never suggested they were formed because of a desire to be personally insulting. The fact that they often were is of importance, but not of the essence.

Now, the forum admins have made their own judgment, and I respect them for it. He was warned, he was politely asked to be careful, and chose to ignore that. It's not as if he didn't see it coming, or was not smart enough to be able to judge the outcome of his actions, and one of the most important parts about being a part of society (any society) is the ability to follow its normative boundaries of conduct. He did not, so was placed outside, which makes perfect sense. In a virtual world this, at the moment, has hardly any physical repercussions. It's not the same as a physical society where people often have no choice in which society they belong to.

That said, I wish him all the best, and I welcome as much controversy in our little community as possible. Welcome back, Rod.
All LW'ers are nancies.

jasonwestmas
03-05-2009, 08:26 AM
Just to stick up for Oddity here, but not to rehash everything that has already been said...

I never jived with him, and sure we had our arguments. But he was as often helpful as he was critical, mostly both. One really important note: His opinions were not formed because of a desire to be personally insulting. The fact that they often were is of importance, but not of the essence.

Now, the forum admins have made their own judgment, and I respect them for it. He was warned, he was politely asked to be careful, and chose to ignore that. It's not as if he didn't see it coming, or was not smart enough to be able to judge the outcome of his actions, and one of the most important parts about being a part of society (any society) is the ability to follow its normative boundaries of conduct. He did not, so was placed outside, which makes perfect sense. In a virtual world this, at the moment, has hardly any physical repercussions. It's not the same as a physical society where people often have no choice in which society they belong to.

That said, I wish him all the best, and I welcome as much controversy in our little community as possible.
All LW'ers are nancies.


Well it was the abnoxiousness in his words that turned people off, not necessarily his critical edge. I think most here take well mannered crits well here. Often I can see through the toxins and take in the good stuff.

IMI
03-05-2009, 08:36 AM
All LW'ers are nancies.

Got that right. Buncha limp-wristed girlies they are.

DiedonD
03-05-2009, 10:27 AM
Erm!! What are you two whispering about!!! :twak:

mosconariz
03-07-2009, 02:10 PM
Welcome back Rod!

And people, if you can't stand a critique, be an accountant instead. Your reaction to bad critiques is your fault, no one else.

DiedonD
03-08-2009, 05:19 AM
Welcome back Rod!
And people, if you can't stand a critique, be an accountant instead. Your reaction to bad critiques is your fault, no one else.


Actually I think that he may be a solution to the slugish flow of ANY response AT ALL at WIP and Gallery area!

Cageman
03-08-2009, 06:00 AM
And people, if you can't stand a critique, be an accountant instead. Your reaction to bad critiques is your fault, no one else.

Uh?

Pardon me, but that is not true at all...

Constructive critique is one thing...

Someone telling you to stop doing 3D because you suck is something else, especially when people who are new to 3D come to these forums to get help/direction on how to improve themselves.

I hope Rod Seffen is different from Oddity.

:deal:

Rod Seffen
03-08-2009, 06:32 AM
Not really, we both hate Swedish liars.

UnCommonGrafx
03-08-2009, 06:43 AM
I dunno, Cageman...

The only insult that works is the one you let work. Receivers don't always HAVE to react the way the transceiver might hope they would.

No disagreement to the rudeness factor. But I witnessed newbies being appreciative and come back with improvements based on his input. They knew how to separate the wheat from the chaff. To me, this is the mark of someone who is going to make it based on themselves rather than the not-always-encouraging world.

And there's worth in getting someone to think about just how committed they are to their craft.

Rod Seffen
03-08-2009, 07:58 AM
Well it's all based on his own half remembered prejudices anyway, even though he's repeatedly states it as fact.
This isn't actually the first head sculpting video I made, I did one for this forum before I was banned ,which no one apparently remembers for some reason, but everyone remembers the exact thread where I told someone they weren't the modeling genius that everyone else in the thread thought they were.
What strange creatures 3d forum-goers are.

UnCommonGrafx
03-08-2009, 08:12 AM
Did ya now?
Never saw that one. Wasn't making heads at the time... Lighting is what I would like to listen to you prattle on about.

Cageman
03-08-2009, 09:51 AM
I dunno, Cageman...

The only insult that works is the one you let work. Receivers don't always HAVE to react the way the transceiver might hope they would.

No disagreement to the rudeness factor. But I witnessed newbies being appreciative and come back with improvements based on his input. They knew how to separate the wheat from the chaff. To me, this is the mark of someone who is going to make it based on themselves rather than the not-always-encouraging world.

And there's worth in getting someone to think about just how committed they are to their craft.

Hmm...

Maybe I live in a dreamworld where people on forums gives critique the same way they do at work to their workmates?

Is it just me who think it should be that way?

Oh well...

:)

Cageman
03-08-2009, 09:53 AM
Well it's all based on his own half remembered prejudices anyway, even though he's repeatedly states it as fact.

Well, first impression last for a long time you know...

:)

UnCommonGrafx
03-08-2009, 10:35 AM
I've had the pleasure of working in such diverse climates as to have seen the gamut of choices folks choose to implement their own Shouldas. Take it in stride, fluff it off your shoulder and keep on stepping is what makes those Shouldas become reality.
It's not that you are in a dream world just one that doesn't have much of this schtuff in it.

Hmm...

Maybe I live in a dreamworld where people on forums gives critique the same way they do at work to their workmates?

Is it just me who think it should be that way?

Oh well...

:)

jasonwestmas
03-08-2009, 11:04 AM
I've had the pleasure of working in such diverse climates as to have seen the gamut of choices folks choose to implement their own Shouldas. Take it in stride, fluff it off your shoulder and keep on stepping is what makes those Shouldas become reality.
It's not that you are in a dream world just one that doesn't have much of this schtuff in it.

It's called Teasing. . . there are many forms of it and it can be taken in many different ways.

Rod Seffen
03-08-2009, 12:25 PM
Well maybe this is the problem. I've never had any CG workmates to interact with in real life.
However, in my days as a chef it was quite the rough and tumble environment, with constant piss-taking on all sides. If someone cooked something rubbish or make a mistake, then you said it tasted like **** and laughed at them.
I keep forgetting what pathetically delicate limp-wristed little flowers some artists are in comparison to real men with real jobs.

Cageman
03-08-2009, 12:39 PM
I've had the pleasure of working in such diverse climates as to have seen the gamut of choices folks choose to implement their own Shouldas. Take it in stride, fluff it off your shoulder and keep on stepping is what makes those Shouldas become reality.
It's not that you are in a dream world just one that doesn't have much of this schtuff in it.

I've read this post several times now, and I don't understand a word of it.. .

Could you please type it in English, please?

:)

Cageman
03-08-2009, 12:42 PM
I keep forgetting what pathetically delicate limp-wristed little flowers some artists are in comparison to real men with real jobs.

I've had several different jobs before working in this industry, and none of those jobs, nor the CG-jobs, have had unreasonable harsh tone when critiques have been delivered.

But... if Hells Kitchen is anything remotely near how it is to work as a chef in real life (that is, not just some realityshow with drama), then I can see where you are comming from.

:)

Rod Seffen
03-08-2009, 01:39 PM
Well the hectic hot and sweaty fast paced atmosphere of a working kitchen does tend to bring out the worst in people, yes. Very little time for pussyfooting around.

Ernest
03-08-2009, 02:56 PM
This isn't actually the first head sculpting video I made, I did one for this forum before I was banned ,which no one apparently remembers for some reason, but everyone remembers the exact thread where I told someone they weren't the modeling genius that everyone else in the thread thought they were.
What strange creatures 3d forum-goers are.
The thread I remember you from was WIP of a fat guy with a muscles in his belly. I think it was some sort of mythical creature like a giant. I'm not sure. The only part I can remember is the shoulder. You told the author that the creature was anatomically incorrect and posted a picture of how it should look. You removed the muscles from the belly and fixed the upper arm.

The guy got upset because he considered his version of the anatomy to be an artistic creative decision. I mean, I can understand the guy wanting to have a fat guy with muscles in his belly, I'm OK with that, but the shoulder... you could look at it facing away from the monitor with your eyes closed and it was still obvious that it looked better with your version.

What seemed amazing was the discussion that erupted next over correct anatomy versus artistic creativity.

So there was both. Sometimes too much Hell's Kitchen and quite often too much not being able to let it go, but also there are some people who will take insult at being shown how their work can improve, even with no harsh words. And also some people will take insult at the idea that some ways of doing art are more correct than others, even if they clearly look better.

wacom
03-08-2009, 06:40 PM
Well it's all based on his own half remembered prejudices anyway, even though he's repeatedly states it as fact.
This isn't actually the first head sculpting video I made, I did one for this forum before I was banned ,which no one apparently remembers for some reason, but everyone remembers the exact thread where I told someone they weren't the modeling genius that everyone else in the thread thought they were.
What strange creatures 3d forum-goers are.

So what would Bourdaine say about you? Guess you couldn't hack it in the real "man" world so you had to go piss on some pansy types with your cheap "T-bag" type tricks? I have female chef friends that lasted longer than you in the kitchen so I know it's not through a lack of actual testosterone.

Sorry- played football and done the ape-beat-cheast-homo-errotic-towel snap sock jock thing before. Cut the crap eh?

On a real note- when does your sculpting video come out? While you still might be someone who needs to be challenged by people better than you as an "artisan" I found the little clip on the Area very informative and in a nice, direct way. So where do we pick it up?

Rod Seffen
03-08-2009, 07:47 PM
The dvd will be a while. I'm really busy, and it's not just one of those normal DVDs that lazy people knock up where they sculpt some stance pose generic model while talking over it (i.e every other dvd that exists) It'll be the best and most informative character sculpting dvd that's ever been released, otherwise it's not worth doing.

wacom
03-08-2009, 09:01 PM
The dvd will be a while. I'm really busy, and it's not just one of those normal DVDs that lazy people knock up where they sculpt some stance pose generic model while talking over it (i.e every other dvd that exists) It'll be the best and most informative character sculpting dvd that's ever been released, otherwise it's not worth doing.

Awesome- I look forward to your DVD set.

It is unfortunate that so many sculpting DVDs are in the end "look at me make a fantastic doodle" and not more nuts and bolts informative in a general concept and knowledge based way. You could argue that many of the tutorial DVDs even on drawing and painting are the same way (and books). Unfortunately it has little to do with how "good" the arteest is- so the quality of the final output for the final project has little correlation to the quality of the instruction.

If you clip is any indication then we'll get something worth watching multiple times and not just promotional bling.

Do you have a publisher lined up yet? You should be able to get some kind of advance on the project to help fund your working on it. Have you hit up Gnomon, Massive Black, Digital Tutors, Kurv or the like yet? I have no idea which is the best deal for the creator of the tutorials or who has the most flexibility in terms of tutorial size/length etc.

In addition- do you plan on maybe making it a series? Such as part 1 you model and sculpt- part two texture and light? Would be nice if it started out kind of an over all basic tips/knowledge based DVD on anatomy and then maybe shifted into a project. I'm not sure this lines up with where you're wanting to go with the DVD.

Anyway- I hope you get some kind of good publisher and contract behind you so that when it's done it gets splashed all around.

DiedonD
03-09-2009, 01:05 AM
I keep forgetting what pathetically delicate limp-wristed little flowers some artists are in comparison to real men with real jobs.


Is it me, or has it started getting a bit Oddy here!

Phew! Hot!

Wouldnt want to be the newcomer that has alot to learn with that say!

Hope they are all women from now on though!

caccipergolo
03-09-2009, 01:22 AM
The dvd will be a while. I'm really busy, and it's not just one of those normal DVDs that lazy people knock up where they sculpt some stance pose generic model while talking over it (i.e every other dvd that exists) It'll be the best and most informative character sculpting dvd that's ever been released, otherwise it's not worth doing.
I will wait for it, and quote the wacom questions.
Please, keep us informed!

IMI
03-09-2009, 02:07 AM
Not to go off topic or anything, but I'm looking forward to seeing that DVD too.

LightWuv
03-09-2009, 08:20 PM
The dvd will be a while. I'm really busy, and it's not just one of those normal DVDs that lazy people knock up where they sculpt some stance pose generic model while talking over it (i.e every other dvd that exists) It'll be the best and most informative character sculpting dvd that's ever been released, otherwise it's not worth doing.

Looking forward to it!

And the inevitable critiques of it :thumbsup:

Like people asked upstream, let us know where to look out for it.

pumeco
03-10-2009, 05:14 PM
I never got a chance to get into conversation with Oddity. I'd only just started using the forum with any frequency at the time he got banned.

Personally, I thought he was very entertaining and it was a shame he went too far and got banned. I have no problem with the way he was in general, it's just a shame he went at it without some sort of counter-balance to safeguard himself. I do a similar thing on the DAZ Bryce forum (although not to Oddity standards). The only difference is I get away with it because I make sure I counter-balance any humour or sarcasm with some normality once in a while. Oddity didn't do that, or if he did, it wasn't often enough.

That was his only mistake.

I call my fellow Brycers Peasants, Whining Freeloaders, Vickie Fetishists etc. I also tell them that I am perfect and let them know that they are not. They still laugh it off though, and the only reason they do that is because I'm sure to present my normal side as well every so often.

If Oddity were here now, I'm sure I'd get into a few scrapes with him. He'd likely tell me that I'm a talentless little sh*t or something like that. And if he did I'd likely respond in agreement with him even though I'm not. He'd probably like that because I think he'd have respect for the humour.

It seems to me that it was mainly folk who didn't 'get it' that got on the wrong side of him. Poor bas*ard, he was just trying to make sure your faces were fit for Miss World instead of Crufts, and that your tits weren't made of silicone.

LightWuv
03-10-2009, 07:08 PM
I never got a chance to get into conversation with Oddity. I'd only just started using the forum with any frequency at the time he got banned.

Personally, I thought he was very entertaining and it was a shame he went too far and got banned. I have no problem with the way he was in general, it's just a shame he went at it without some sort of counter-balance to safeguard himself. I do a similar thing on the DAZ Bryce forum (although not to Oddity standards). The only difference is I get away with it because I make sure I counter-balance any humour or sarcasm with some normality once in a while. Oddity didn't do that, or if he did, it wasn't often enough.

That was his only mistake.

I call my fellow Brycers Peasants, Whining Freeloaders, Vickie Fetishists etc. I also tell them that I am perfect and let them know that they are not. They still laugh it off though, and the only reason they do that is because I'm sure to present my normal side as well every so often.

If Oddity were here now, I'm sure I'd get into a few scrapes with him. He'd likely tell me that I'm a talentless little sh*t or something like that. And if he did I'd likely respond in agreement with him even though I'm not. He'd probably like that because I think he'd have respect for the humour.

It seems to me that it was mainly folk who didn't 'get it' that got on the wrong side of him. Poor bas*ard, he was just trying to make sure your faces were fit for Miss World instead of Crufts, and that your tits weren't made of silicone.

Wrong thread, this one is about a head sculpting video :D

IMI
03-10-2009, 07:34 PM
Wrong thread, this one is about a head sculpting video :D

Yeah, you're supposed to talk about him in the third person as if he wasn't here in that other recent Oddity thread, I think.
Turns out he is here though. ;)

pumeco
03-11-2009, 03:46 AM
Wrong thread, this one is about a head sculpting video :D

That's true, but as I'm not of the mentality to purchase anything from the likes of Autodesk, the MudBox part of it didn't click with me. I just found the Oddity talk in the previous 12 pages more interesting and thought I'd get my opinion in there as well.

Humour, it's free of charge :D

pumeco
03-11-2009, 03:47 AM
Hey IMI, I've often wondered if he still walks these forums under a new identity :thumbsup:

Iain
03-11-2009, 03:49 AM
Yeah it's me.
I'm Spartacus.

cagey5
03-11-2009, 03:53 AM
Hey IMI, I've often wondered if he still walks these forums under a new identity :thumbsup:

I think you've still got some catching up to do.

pumeco
03-11-2009, 04:00 AM
I assume by that statement you're meaning he does?
I'll admit I'm not up to speed because I don't use this forum that much.

So, who is it?*

*I get the feeling I'm being sniggered at by just about every other member of the forum for not knowing who it is.

UnCommonGrafx
03-11-2009, 04:03 AM
Yes, we are.

pumeco
03-11-2009, 04:04 AM
Peasants!

UnCommonGrafx
03-11-2009, 04:11 AM
Yes, but we are still snickering.
Thanks for the morning snickering moment.

pumeco
03-11-2009, 01:58 PM
Can I have a clue, even a small one will do? :D

art
03-11-2009, 02:12 PM
#101 & #131

pumeco
03-11-2009, 02:38 PM
Ah, right, trust me to skip too many pages :D

Before you told me I was beginning to wonder if it was that guy who joined in with the Hasselhoff avatars that time (the Playboy Hoff one). So he really is here then, except more boring now from the sounds of his replies.

Just kidding, if you're still reading this I hope you get to keep your membership. I'm not interested in MudBox or it's tutorials 'cause I've got ZBrush. But I'm sure the vid is cool if that sculpt you did of the girl is anything to go by.

bluerider
03-13-2009, 09:19 AM
Peter Paul Rubens, b. June 28, 1577, d. May 30, 1640 was the most renowned northern European artist of his day. He was also a first rate diplomat.

I guess we can make choices about how we relate to others, regardless of our level of ability in any chosen field.

RikiB
05-07-2009, 09:20 AM
Hello everyone!

This video was originally created for Eat 3D and you can watch a longer and much higher quality version of it here (we also have an option to even obtain the scene file):

http://eat3d.com/free_mudbox_head

Rod is definitely creating a DVD for us now and I personally think it will be amazing. If you haven't seen it yet, here is a render.
http://eat3d.com/files/1000294_seffen_wip.jpg

As for Rods demeanor I would like to point out the obvious that when Rod does professional work it always turns out great and the video tutorial will be of no exception. As you can see from the head sculpting video the teaching style matches the quality of the art itself which can be rare.

I hope that everyone will be able to see past any disagreements you have in his character and respect (and hopefully promote) this upcoming DVD.

Ill be watching this thread if anyone has any questions, suggestions, or comments.

hrgiger
05-07-2009, 09:22 AM
I can't speak for anyone else but Rod's or anyone else's demeanor would have nothing to do with my decision to buy learning material or not. Do they have something to teach or not?

jasonwestmas
05-07-2009, 09:42 AM
I don't care about Rod's demeanor. It's always good to get pointers from people who know.

radams
05-07-2009, 10:01 AM
Peter Paul Rubens, b. June 28, 1577, d. May 30, 1640 was the most renowned northern European artist of his day. He was also a first rate diplomat.

I guess we can make choices about how we relate to others, regardless of our level of ability in any chosen field.

Well said Graham,

For those who don't know Graham, He is an amazing artist !!!!
and nice guy :)

As for Oddity, he is a very good modeler/sculpture...but is caught up in his own abilities...thou he has given some good insights just doesn't play well with others.

I hope that Graham and others will help to show the artistry that lies all around us here...that will help all of us create our visions, and improve our skill sets.

It would be nice to see someone show off more of the abilities and integration of 3D Coat, Mudbox, & Zbrush, with LW and with CORE Toolsets.

Hi Graham, hope all is going good.

Drop me a PM when you get a chance.

Cheers All,

IMI
05-07-2009, 04:49 PM
Well I'm not big on the whole renaissance art style as seen through the eyes of Mudbox.
Just because I know that Rod appreciates honesty, I think it's kind of pretentious. Look at me, I'm what Michelangelo would have been if he'd been born in 1980...

As a minor criticism, I'd say the guy looks like he's about to fall over. Or rather, imbalanced. Now, he's possibly under water and therefore possibly has buoyancy protection against falling over, but if that were the case, the mermaid's hair should be floating at least a little bit, I would think. If they're on land and he's just begun to move to run off with her, there would also be motion in the hair, probably more than if under water. However that would at least solve the imbalance question. In other words, as a viewer, I wonder what's happening, as the visual cues send mixed signals.

Having said that stuff, if these videos are designed to teach people how to pretend to be famous Renaissance artists in a digital world, I'm not interested. If it's something more practical, such as a workflow from sculpting in Mudbox to creating normal and displacement maps and using those on a model in LW, then I'm VERY interested.

EDIT:
Nevertheless, there's no question he has A LOT he can teach people about anatomy which can be used in any medium, with any software, or even simply good old fashioned drawing on paper. The guy obviously has a tremendous talent of being able to observe reality and reproduce it.

cresshead
05-07-2009, 04:53 PM
i'd suggest you watch the video and dismiss the sculpture image above


the vid>>...it's educational...you'll LEARN about the head and how to create a properly propotioned sculpt of a human head.

IMI
05-07-2009, 05:01 PM
i'd suggest you watch the video and dismiss the sculpture image above


the vid>>...it's educational...you'll LEARN about the head and how to create a properly propotioned sculpt of a human head.


Oh I saw the original one and you're right. Is this different? I'll check it out later.

But then why include the picture above? Just a promo?
Nevertheless, I know you're right - there's no question he has a lot of knowledge and one can learn a great deal from him.

As I said though, I'm more interested in the next logical step after the sculpting - creating the maps to make it practical for use in other apps, preferably LW. It's not just a matter of pressing a button to generate maps, and your target model has to be set up right too.

cresshead
05-07-2009, 05:19 PM
yeah there's not many vids that cover the production process from sculpt app to destination app in a full on project

digital tutors did a zbrush project of a characiture which was really good and the final was rendered out in zbrush too...end to end.

also they have a zbrush to maya training vid..

not seen a zbrush to lightwave
or zbrush to 3dsmax/modo/xsi etc

i've tested out the move from zbrush to lightwave displacements last weekend so if you want to ask anything on that go ahead:thumbsup:

OnlineRender
05-07-2009, 05:51 PM
ahhh so theres were hes went , havent had a personal lecture of him in a few weeks :( straight to the bone ! good artist !sounds like BONO

IMI
05-07-2009, 06:23 PM
yeah there's not many vids that cover the production process from sculpt app to destination app in a full on project

digital tutors did a zbrush project of a characiture which was really good and the final was rendered out in zbrush too...end to end.

also they have a zbrush to maya training vid..

not seen a zbrush to lightwave
or zbrush to 3dsmax/modo/xsi etc

i've tested out the move from zbrush to lightwave displacements last weekend so if you want to ask anything on that go ahead:thumbsup:

Yeah, I've bought all the Digital Tutors Zbrush tutorials I think, plus one with Mudbox to Maya.
In addition to their voluminous selection of Maya videos, Digital Tutors even has a couple of Modo 302 videos, and now several Softimage as well. Seems as though they cover everything but LightWave. I wouldn't be surprised if they put out one for Poser before LW. :rolleyes:

I have the ZBrush thing fairly well figured out, including making maps and using them on models in LW, but I'm starting to think Mudbox may turn out to be the scuplting/painting app of choice in the future, and would love to see some LW-centric material with Mudbox.
Of course, we have ZB 4 coming up and it will be free for all of us with ZB 3, but who knows how long that's gonna take.