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.::STRIKE::.
08-14-2003, 12:00 PM
http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/standingwoman.jpg

http://www.designpicture.com/images3Dversion/standingwoman2.jpg

lasco
08-14-2003, 12:56 PM
there are I think little modelisation troubles :
- on the shoulders (the right one on the first pic really looks anormal)
- the fingers of the girl that looks a bit too short

quite ineresting texture : well I mean it depends on what you intend to do.
If you look for photorealism I think there's still much work, else I find
at this point it looks a bit like painting and I find this very interesting.
Actually it really does'nt look like a 3D model, I like that.

only serious critic (well maybe quite personnal) : do you really need
to shave her pubis like this ? Really looks very sexual (mean in a porn sense),
is that what you're after ? Why not having a "natural" sex ?

richpr
08-14-2003, 03:39 PM
In the first pic she looks a bit like a native of North America as well...

The pose is kinda strange, somewhat unnatural... (2nd pic, the 1st one is very nice!). the area around the nipple is squarish...

As for the off-topic pubis ;) Keep in mind that what is pornographic to one, isn't necessarily to another... On that note, shaving seems common in North-America, much less so in Europe... As for Asia I don't know... ;)

Rei
08-14-2003, 04:04 PM
the second pic, her feet look like they are floating, which is uncomfy to hold that position for long, probably a part of why it looks off.

riki
08-14-2003, 08:23 PM
Let me say, I've seen a lot of naked Asian gilrls, but I didn't immediately think that the body looked very asian. Not sure why??

PM me if you want a link to some good research material on this subject :)

Also the fingers look a bit short. Plus I'm not so keen on the mowhawk look :)

hrgiger
08-14-2003, 10:15 PM
The first thing I thought of when I saw this was the nude picture of AKI from final fantasy that I saw several months back.

I'm not sure about the landing strip pubic cut either. I would agree that she looks more native american then Asian. Looks like a nice model though.

Are you going to be animating her or is this just pin-up art?

mgreenway
08-15-2003, 01:35 AM
I Like her.
Could we see a close-up of her face?

veljko
08-15-2003, 05:32 AM
love the first pic- great work!
i do agree that the fingers are a bit shor, but i dont mind it..

juice
08-15-2003, 06:02 AM
... nice rendering there, can you explain what was your job that you have done? And can you post some wire? Actually the texture seems me to be exactly that from poser5 or I am wrong?

lasco
08-15-2003, 06:15 AM
mmm…
actually it's not only the fingers that are too short but the whole hands
that are too small.

oh yes, show us a wire !

Pogie
08-15-2003, 07:27 AM
My first reaction, to the second picture especially, was AKI from Final Fantasy as well.

My second reaction was "WHATS WITH THE THIRD EYEBROW???" You all know what i'm talking about.

Is that what passes as fashionable in asia.....quite frankly, i wouldnt trust anyone with a razor that cuts that close near my bits.

I think the speculars are a bit off - obviously they were going for a slightly sweaty look but she actually looks more like she's been laminated in parts, especially around the shoulder and collar-bone areas.

Still, i'd be intrigued to see the outcome if this model is subjected to any alterations - it has a lot of promise (and still better than i;ve done so far - as far as human anatomy goes, all i've modelled is a head)

Pog

:rolleyes:

mattclary
08-15-2003, 08:10 AM
The mohawk or landing strip is actually fairly popular. My wife and her friends make regular visits to get waxed. It's very nice! Don't be prudish, it's no worse than wearing nail polish or clipping your finger nails.

Pogie
08-15-2003, 02:00 PM
i'm thinking Goldie Hawn, First Wives Club....."plastic surgery is like, its like, good grooming, its like brushing your teeth".

I have to say that shaving your pubes into weird little shapes and lines is NOT like clipping your nails.

I wonder how many resources this guy had to hand?

I wonder if he went round asking women if he could observe their grooming technique, for the sake of art?

RESPECT!

Pogie :rolleyes:

Carm3D
08-15-2003, 02:03 PM
In the second pic, she raised her arms way up, but her boobs stayed in the same place.. They should rise up too. That whole upper half of her torso would get pulled up when she raises her arms like that. They'll even change their shape a bit.

I don't mean to sound insulting but.. Was Poser used at any step of the process?

lasco
08-15-2003, 02:08 PM
the more I look at these pics the more I wonder if they're really
3D made…
I don't know why but it looks strange…

policarpo
08-15-2003, 04:56 PM
Awesome work Strike!

Keep us posted with your developments. I love seeing the progress you are making as an artist in the realm of 3D. You inspire me immensely!!


Keep it up!!!

Roux
08-15-2003, 07:57 PM
Hate to be a kill joy but just how much of this was modelled in LW?
I have to ask because the knees and shoulders as well as the body proportions scream POSER. Not a flame but if it is really a poser model rendered in LW then the art and use of the poser mesh is what you should focus on. (I also use POSER from tme to time and there is nothing wrong with it.)

If you have modelled it than it is still better than any of my humans to date and you should keep refining her. ;-)

policarpo
08-17-2003, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by Roux
Hate to be a kill joy but just how much of this was modelled in LW?
I have to ask because the knees and shoulders as well as the body proportions scream POSER. Not a flame but if it is really a poser model rendered in LW then the art and use of the poser mesh is what you should focus on. (I also use POSER from tme to time and there is nothing wrong with it.)

If you have modelled it than it is still better than any of my humans to date and you should keep refining her. ;-)

are you serious?

do you even know who STRIKE is?

go to his site...look at his work. check out his interview. he's 110% original...

pure genius (http://www.cgchallenge.com/article.php?article_id=18)

mattclary
08-17-2003, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by Pogie
I have to say that shaving your pubes into weird little shapes and lines is NOT like clipping your nails.


Yeah, you're right, it's like having goatee. I'd hardly call that a "weird little shape". Once you've had a woman who grooms herself, you'll never go back. :rolleyes:

wok
08-18-2003, 03:32 AM
awsome work!!!! checked out your webpage as well, and it's full of terrific work!!!

Roux
08-18-2003, 04:07 AM
Originally posted by policarpo
are you serious?

do you even know who STRIKE is?

go to his site...look at his work. check out his interview. he's 110% original...

pure genius (http://www.cgchallenge.com/article.php?article_id=18)

As I said policarpo (I know your work which is inspirational) that was no flame. I didn't know who STRIKE was but having looked the article, I am even more sure that this model is not up to his quality of work and must be poser!
As I said, I use it myself from time to time and there's nothing wrong with it except for the knees, shoulders and other joint deformations unless in the hands of a real poser master. These points are a dead set give away to a poser model. If you want to see how obvious it becomes, check out any of the posts on renderosity.com under the poser gallery. I can even show you one of mine with no post work and it has exactly the same facets.

Strike I don't want to offend or upset anyone, I purely wanted to know if it was your model or a posette. I love the work on your site but am being honest in saying this one doesn't stack up to the others.

Cheers to all
:)

j3st3r
08-18-2003, 04:22 AM
I`m sorry to say, but on cgtalk forum it has been proven, that Strike used a Poser model. Somebody has posted two images, one wire of a poser model, which is identical to the wire that strike has posted.

What I don`t understand, why anybody tries to cheat with modelling skills, and etc. It makes me disappointed a lot, and it makes me uncertain when I see Strike`s original artworks. Sad.

policarpo
08-18-2003, 08:20 AM
ugh...whatever...i only care about the final image...

image is king...i personally could care less if he used Poser, or a DeEspona model...or a wad of clay made to look like a woman...

keep up the great work STRIKE!

j3st3r
08-18-2003, 08:38 AM
Sure, the final result is excellent. But the problem is that it looked both here and on cgtalk, that Strike takes credit for the model itself...I think it is important to make proper credit notes whenever someone posts an image.

hrgiger
08-18-2003, 08:39 AM
I agree with Policarpo up to a point. I don't generally see a problem with using a poser model and I don't think it's a cheat either. Anything that gives you the results you want is not a cheat. Call it a workaround, but not a cheat.
However, when I can look at something and immediately see it's a poser model, I have to say, I hate it. I've seen so many crap pieces done with poser models, they just have that look to them. I don't think that Strike's model does that. If it is a poser model, he's done good work covering that up and kudos to him for it.

mattclary
08-18-2003, 08:52 AM
j3st3r, can you give us a link to the thread at CGTalk, I can't find it.

j3st3r
08-18-2003, 08:58 AM
Sure, art is art, tools are tools. And proper use of tool is OK. And the result is really cool.

And the link is:

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81908

mattclary
08-18-2003, 10:50 AM
Yep, definitely looks like the identical mesh. From what I can tell, the head is his. I don't have a problem with using pre-made geometry, but a disclaimer would be nice.

JDaniel
08-18-2003, 08:29 PM
POSER!

policarpo
08-18-2003, 08:41 PM
:confused:

hrgiger
08-18-2003, 09:11 PM
Well, there's still nothing wrong with using a poser mesh. It does look good and whatever gets the job done. However, it'd be nice to mention that you're using a pre-built model. At least we know what to comment on.

policarpo
08-18-2003, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by hrgiger
Well, there's still nothing wrong with using a poser mesh. It does look good and whatever gets the job done. However, it'd be nice to mention that you're using a pre-built model. At least we know what to comment on.

true dat.

i use Proton models all the time when i'm doing lighting tests...cause they look great. ;)

JDaniel
08-18-2003, 09:19 PM
His animals are Poser too in the other thread. When you don't say anything then you are taking credit. IMO. How about contests too?
http://www.cgtalk.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=776241
http://www.cgtalk.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=776237

policarpo
08-18-2003, 09:31 PM
c'est la vid....merde!

.::STRIKE::. hello...care to let us know what is up so we can know how to critique your work here.

it's okay if you used Poser models, because they do look like poser models...

the Poser frog legs in the other post are identical to the ones you used in your creature...

just tell us you were doing texture studies and such and we'll be able to focus on the work and not the process.

silence is only good when sniping.

what does it all mean?
http://www.cgtalk.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=776305

:cool:

policarpo
08-18-2003, 11:18 PM
how many strikes are you allowed in baseball? look for lildragon's comments near the bottom of the page.

batter...swing! (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81908&perpage=15&pagenumber=5)


i hate being duped!:mad:

.::STRIKE::.
08-19-2003, 12:03 AM
I don't want to argue with that... that's just pity some people are unable to make the difference between the words tool and imagination.... That's all the humankind story... Nobody is able to judge someone else..

policarpo
08-19-2003, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by .::STRIKE::.
I don't want to argue with that... that's just pity some people are unable to make the difference between the words tool and imagination.... That's all the humankind story... Nobody is able to judge someone else..

Strike,

first off, you make nice art. you have a good eye for texturing and lighting and composition.

second, as any designer or artist will tell you, they always mention their sources that they work on. it's the nature of doing comp and experimental work as we hone specific skills..

i do plenty of lighting studies myself using canned or approved models, but i always credit my source material.

if you had just stated at the beginning that you were using models from your 3D library of animals and humans, none of this would have happened.

keep up the good work...and keep pushing yourself to get better at what you do...'cause you've already nailed look and feel in your work.

cheers,

j3st3r
08-19-2003, 03:23 AM
Strike,

you know the problem was that you were taking aknowledgement, cheers and credit for the work you haven`t done, and you haven`t told us, that it`s not yours. Namely the model. I`ve read a lot of comment:
"Awesome modeling skills", etc. And the misinformations about tools...Mmmmm. That`s pitiful.

What makes me upset, that there are artists taking credits for artwork they didn`t create. I would respect all artwork, if it is well credited.

Carm3D
08-19-2003, 03:49 AM
Personally I'm not upset.. I just think it looks posery. When you've seen one poser chick you've seen 'em all.

juice
08-19-2003, 03:51 AM
Originally posted by j3st3r
Strike,

you know the problem was that you were taking aknowledgement, cheers and credit for the work you haven`t done, and you haven`t told us, that it`s not yours. Namely the model. I`ve read a lot of comment:
"Awesome modeling skills", etc. And the misinformations about tools...Mmmmm. That`s pitiful.

What makes me upset, that there are artists taking credits for artwork they didn`t create. I would respect all artwork, if it is well credited.

thats it strike,
I was also asking you what was your job, when I saw all that comments they give yo... and you din't care!



I don't want to argue with that... that's just pity some people are unable to make the difference between the words tool and imagination.... That's all the humankind story... Nobody is able to judge someone else..

Thats just pity?? Sorry Strike, you have offendet me, and some others too I think! Thats an other wrong way you are going actually...


Edit:
Nobody is able to judge someone else but you say pity and unable to us?! Isn't that a judge?!

I think its better for you doing some hollydays Strike!!

mav3rick
08-19-2003, 04:33 AM
well peoples u really have nothin else to do?
stop pising on strike ........... i really hatte community like this........ hope we will see more of TALENTED artist that will leave lw community cause this kind of talk is really pissing ppl off..... i dont think POSER model pissed any1.... but acting like that pissed strike eaven more..... or peoples are jaleous they cant do this kind of surfacing/lightning?

juice
08-19-2003, 04:38 AM
... I hate people who wants 100% credited and call me pity and unable!! ... he don't want agree with that too!!! So whats the problem giving him contribute!

Roux
08-19-2003, 04:40 AM
I agree that this has gone on for long enough. I'm sorry for any part I played in starting this. I was simply asking a question about the model itself.

Like i said, there was no flame attached, purely a sense of curiosity. I am impressed with the works of STRIKE that I have seen.

I don't care that its poser either. THE WORK SHOULD SPEAK FOR ITS SELF.

on a critique point of view, your lightwave models are much better Strike.

As far as poser goes, you could get some tips on the renderosity gallery from some guys that make awsome pics with the program.
I only tend to use it myself now for stand ins and non-critical characters so can't offer much advice.

Can we all just chill out now and render something?:p :p :p :p

mav3rick
08-19-2003, 04:43 AM
juice i don't know u ....... but why u loose energy on this kinda stuff do you feel better fighting for your piece of WORD in this thread? if you soucess and WIN i really don't care since we are just users here and nothin more...... noone of us steal any1 arworks, neither you will loose job cause of strike arts and i dont see any way STRIKE art affect each of our life ... fighting in forums is pointless atraction for very few ppl......

juice
08-19-2003, 04:48 AM
... ok, I am don't angry with Strike anymore, lets chill somewhere and forgot that... Maybe an Admin can delete this threat... its the best I think... we all have learned more these days...

.::STRIKE::.
08-19-2003, 05:39 AM
About my job : webdesigner. I'm not an artist, i'm a tool in a webagency, and i never use 3D in websites. 3D was for me a hobby, but i think i made a big mistake starting it. That's why i stop everything from now. Sculpting real rocks or glay is a different modeling, and there's no poser with redo, undo tools, and that's what i'm gonna do again. I think then nobody will say i use poser anymore....

Happy to have meet your community even shorter it was, and sorry if i disapointed many of you.

mattclary
08-19-2003, 05:50 AM
I just read the article below (and several links from it) yesterday that seems to fit this situation to a tee. I have no tolerance for liars, it's my big pet peeve. At the very least, you lied by omission, Strike. From now on, every piece of work you do will be heavily scrutinized by all of us.


http://slate.msn.com/id/2082741/

Edit: Strike, I just looked at your web site and the work there is very impressive. A LOT more impressive than the pic in this thread. Because of your deception here, I have to wonder if you really produced those models. See, it becomes a character issue. If you are caught in a lie once, people will always wonder if you are lying to them. Why would you take credit for a stupid freaking poser model when you can make stuff like what's on your web page?

Longshot
08-19-2003, 09:12 AM
Ive seen quite a few postings on here of Strikes work and have been very impressed by them. The last one was I think done very well and regardless of which program was used or not, it showed a lot of talent. I think everyone should lighten up a bit on here and cut him a little slack. Just my 2 cents............

Longshot

mattclary
08-19-2003, 10:11 AM
That's crap. If you want to use Poser, more power to you, but don't pass it off as your model. That's my issue. Strike knew what he was doing. He intentionally mislead us. What program he used isn't the issue, just be honest about it.

JDaniel
08-19-2003, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by mattclary
That's crap. If you want to use Poser, more power to you, but don't pass it off as your model. That's my issue. Strike knew what he was doing. He intentionally mislead us. What program he used isn't the issue, just be honest about it.
Exactly. He insulted me by trying to pass it off.
And... I'm not jealous at all of any of his posing, photo-mapping, or radiosity button clicking Mav3rick.
Strike, you did'nt disapoint me, you gave false impressions. Just clarify the situation, no need to quit and run away.

mav3rick
08-19-2003, 01:37 PM
daniel YOU CALLED me?

please don't spread flame on more users..... else i don't think this is gonna end good .... got me?:mad:

JDaniel
08-19-2003, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by mav3rick
well peoples u really have nothin else to do?
stop pising on strike ........... i really hatte community like this........ hope we will see more of TALENTED artist that will leave lw community cause this kind of talk is really pissing ppl off..... i dont think POSER model pissed any1.... but acting like that pissed strike eaven more..... or peoples are jaleous they cant do this kind of surfacing/lightning?
No, I don't got you. :D I'm not flaming you. I'm disagreeing w/ you that I'm not jealous of his so- called custom work.

j3st3r
08-19-2003, 02:09 PM
Strike,

don`t retreat. You are good artist, you have talent. The only thing you have to learn is that you have to be honest.
One have to learn a lot to reach to a certain level. I myself cannot do lighting setups, and I have no too much patience just to look at test renders, therefore I used to model and texture. If I am forced to do lighting I`ll do. You have skills in surfacing and light setup. Then why not enlight these skills? Why to cheat YOURSELF? No, it`s not the good way to retreat. You have to push your own skills forward. If you cannot modell at a level you want, learn it, practice it. Believe me, the community here will help a lot. And using poser...it`s no problem at all. I was upset that you take cheers without a word. This is incorrect toward the community, and moreover to you. I know guys who are collecting modells from modelbanks, free downloadable samples, and sell it as their own work. It may work for a while, but the biggest problem is that they will live in a false selfconfidence. And this selfconfidence will be unsupported. Support yourself with your REAL skills, and stay member of this community!

thekho
08-19-2003, 02:36 PM
Poser is too bad for you, strike :( I hate poser too.
I am surpised about you said this character models done by you and you never said you used poser. I always know your model is poser when i see your images because this ears is excatly same as poser, but i love your texturing and lighting are fantastic are without doubts :)

When you post an new image next time, you should saying "i made this scene is everything (texturing and lighting) done in Lightwave and this model is poser" so we will understand about it and we will appreciate you that's what you done. Not like accuse you of using poser which you said never using poser.

I suggest you should make your own character models by you not using poser which are crap program next time because i still like your working.

P.S. Sorry about my bad english.