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danielkaiser
02-08-2009, 11:21 AM
I don't know if this has been asked. Does this mean that current 9.6 users who cannot or are waiting for the full release to upgrade, will we be locked out of any improvements to 9.6?

warrenwc
02-08-2009, 11:27 AM
I've seen it asked elsewhere & general consensus is that improvements to 9.6 are included in your 9.0 license.
I don't work for NT, but they've never cut us off that way before.

Ernest
02-08-2009, 11:48 AM
It's buried somewhere in the forum. 9.6 users will still receive bug fixes but there will be no new features unless you get Core.

hrgiger
02-08-2009, 11:57 AM
I can't believe that you could expect much more out of 9.6 anyway. We usually don't get much past .5 before the next paid upgrade comes. 9 has had the most significant upgrades of any previous version, all at no cost to it's users.
I can't imagine that they'll be adding a lot of new features to the 9 series with Core being the focus now. And what would be the point? Most people who are upgrading want to use Core, not squeeze a few more features out of 9.
I realize that people are going to feel cheated anyway but Newtek has changed their pricing policy which they hinted at months ago. Let's move to the future.

pooby
02-08-2009, 12:29 PM
Its not really about new features though.. its about the potential imbalance of fairness if only CORE users had access to any updates that 9 customers had initially bought into.

hrgiger
02-08-2009, 12:45 PM
Well, to be honest with you, I don't understand why that is a benefit to being a Core member. I mean, more updates to 9 has nothing to do with my decision to upgrade. It sounds kind of weird to me but I'm probably indifferent because I dont' expect much more out of LW 9. It's quite capable for my every day use now and now I'm looking towards what Core will add to the equation. If it's going to cause a lot of frustration for those who have not upgrade though, perhaps Newtek should re-think that idea.

Glendalough
02-08-2009, 12:51 PM
Its not really about new features though.. its about the potential imbalance of fairness if only CORE users had access to any updates that 9 customers had initially bought into.

Yes, exactly!

For example: Will those unfortunate enough as to be running Macs get the 64 bit 9.6. I have asked this question and am not getting a straight answer.

We had more or less been promised this and also have been told at great length how the Mac version is in no way to be made less or inferior to the Windows version. (3rd party plugins excepted, of course, as out of Newtek's control)

Earl
02-08-2009, 01:15 PM
I'm no specialist on Mac programming, but I was under the impression that in order to get 64-bit on the Mac LightWave had to be a COCOA application. I don't think 9.6 is capable of that transition without a TON of work. Wouldn't you rather that work went into making Core a better application on the Mac? It is the future of LightWave, afterall.

As far as the updates to 9.x go... I don't think NewTek owes any more free updates to the old code. We've gotten more out of it than any other version cycle - all for free. My guess is that there is little to no plans to add features to 9.x, unless they are specifically needed for studio or HardCORE users in a production pipeline. Either way, the features would trickle down from Core. Think of any potential updates as a 9.6HardCORE version, instead.

Otterman
02-08-2009, 01:30 PM
Regarding the mac 64bit thang-chilton has addressed this in the mac section. It looks promising for us maccies needed to unleash dormant ram . . . This makes me a happy waver!

Glendalough
02-08-2009, 01:32 PM
I'm no specialist on Mac programming, but I was under the impression that in order to get 64-bit on the Mac LightWave had to be a COCOA application. I don't think 9.6 is capable of that transition without a TON of work. Wouldn't you rather that work went into making Core a better application on the Mac? It is the future of LightWave, afterall.

As far as the updates to 9.x go... I don't think NewTek owes any more free updates to the old code. We've gotten more out of it than any other version cycle - all for free. My guess is that there is little to no plans to add features to 9.x, unless they are specifically needed for studio or HardCORE users in a production pipeline. Either way, the features would trickle down from Core. Think of any potential updates as a 9.6HardCORE version, instead.


Chilton has already said that there is a 64 bit COCOA 9.6 here:

http://www.newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94945

But my question remains unanswered here:

http://www.newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94773&page=3

hrgiger
02-08-2009, 01:39 PM
openBeta is still active, HardCORE is an other Forum, I think everybody can still post problems there at openBeta till Newtek announce to put it in the archive

Open beta for 9.6 is over.

Mike_RB
02-08-2009, 01:42 PM
Well, to be honest with you, I don't understand why that is a benefit to being a Core member. I mean, more updates to 9 has nothing to do with my decision to upgrade. It sounds kind of weird to me but I'm probably indifferent because I dont' expect much more out of LW 9. It's quite capable for my every day use now and now I'm looking towards what Core will add to the equation. If it's going to cause a lot of frustration for those who have not upgrade though, perhaps Newtek should re-think that idea.

This makes perfect sense if at first they are planning of polishing only one piece of core for q4 this year (maybe a bit of everything, but good at one). Then they make a 9.7layout with special loaders for whatever that chunk of core they polished up is. Fantasy speculation hat on.... Say core has killer dynamics and medium everything else, they may have it all exportable and have a 9.7 or a 9.6 plugin for loading core dynamics info onto 9.6 objects. So you could use core in production even though all the pieces might not be there to use it alone.

danielkaiser
02-08-2009, 01:52 PM
Oh! I'm not expecting new features, (hell I don't know how to use allot of the ones already there), just the odd bug fix or tweak.

hrgiger
02-08-2009, 01:56 PM
Oh! I'm not expecting new features, (hell I don't know how to use allot of the ones already there), just the odd bug fix or tweak.

Well, even with Core, bug fixes are supposed to be free so I imagine that you'll still get those with no issues.

pauland
02-08-2009, 03:35 PM
If 9.6 is stable, I think Newtek would be mad to make any more releases for it.

They need revenue and they need to get LW10 up and running.

rakker16mm
02-08-2009, 03:52 PM
It seems to me like it's time for Core. I think all that old code in 9 is just holding back some very talented software engineers. It's amazing what they have been able to do with 9.6, but like us they can do more with better tools. Bring on the C++ and all the benefits of a clean slate.

GandB
02-08-2009, 06:30 PM
I agree; other than bug fixes, all focus should be on Lightwave CORE now.

Hopper
02-08-2009, 06:40 PM
I would guess that registered 9.x users would get updates for actual bugs, showstoppers, etc. if NT is in fact delegating resources to it. They have had an excellent track record for this in the past, so I don't see them discontinuing the service.

I would imagine the 9.x line of software has been put to bed and in maintenance mode.

I think NT mentioned 9.6 changes as "possible updates" which could mean that they may be trying out features that are new and are easily ported between 9.6 and Core. For example, they may come up with some new CA technique that they would like users to test, but portions of CORE may not be developed enough to demo the feature yet.

And we could always just ask Chuck or Jay.

KillMe
02-09-2009, 05:35 PM
well as i uderstand things - the render engine for example was extracted from layout and made into its own little unit to itself and is likely sitting there in core too - independant units made for core though may be able to plug into 9.6 and as hardcore members we may get access to what is essentially a lw core feature but that can be used within a production stable enviroment such as 9.6

so harcore emembers might get some new toys to use in 9.6 that aren't really for 9.6 but are given to us as a bonus

pauland
02-09-2009, 06:07 PM
I don't see any value for Newtek to be at all concerned about retro fitting features to 9.6. Hardcore is essential an early access programme to allow people to get familiarity with the new architecture and get up and running ahead of the pack.

Newteks future is beyond LW9.6 - it's now yesterdays technology.

EmperorPete
02-10-2009, 07:25 AM
I don't see any value for Newtek to be at all concerned about retro fitting features to 9.6. Hardcore is essential an early access programme to allow people to get familiarity with the new architecture and get up and running ahead of the pack.
Newteks future is beyond LW9.6 - it's now yesterdays technology.
Maybe so, but we damn well paid for it.

Its not really about new features though.. its about the potential imbalance of fairness if only CORE users had access to any updates that 9 customers had initially bought into.
Bingo. As far as I am concerned I paid for updates as far as the next whole number.

CAClark
02-10-2009, 07:31 AM
I don't understand how Newtek can turn everything to do in to a circus side show, it's a true talent they have.

CORE should be about 10.x and nothing else. 9.x stuff should be made available to all who paid for the 9.x license, and if it isn't.... I for one will take severe issue with it.

Sort yourselves out NT FFS.

pauland
02-10-2009, 07:34 AM
Emperor Pete: Everyone has been raving about the updates that Newtek have supplied for 9.x purchasers, so it's difficult to imagine that you haven't had your moneys worth. I've no doubt that if there were some major problems Newtek would issue a further point release. From that point of view I'd say you already had what you paid for.

You could argue that some feature destined for LW10 should be in 9.x, but that's always been a judgement call and I think Newtek have always been fair about that.

There's no commercial reason why they should add any more functionality to LW 9.x and I don't think there's any moral obligation either.

I'm no insider, so who knows - they may prove me wrong.

pauland
02-10-2009, 07:36 AM
9.x stuff should be made available to all who paid for the 9.x license, and if it isn't.... I for one will take severe issue with it.

I haven't seen any suggestion to the contrary. Point out where Newtek have suggested otherwise.

Glendalough
02-10-2009, 09:40 AM
I don't understand how Newtek can turn everything to do in to a circus side show, it's a true talent they have.

CORE should be about 10.x and nothing else. 9.x stuff should be made available to all who paid for the 9.x license, and if it isn't.... I for one will take severe issue with it.

Sort yourselves out NT FFS.

I think there is a lot of truth here and pretty much agree.

Glendalough
02-10-2009, 09:45 AM
I haven't seen any suggestion to the contrary. Point out where Newtek have suggested otherwise.

http://www.newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94773&page=5


I don't quite understand what we are meant to use in the meantime but 9.6, which is all we have at the moment, before the Core becomes a working alternative. People seem to think it's going to work instantly almost. I mean what are the odds for a year from now? Will it be more functional than 9.6 or not? We a always stuck with obsolete technology to some extent.

Andyjaggy
02-10-2009, 10:04 AM
I don't understand how Newtek can turn everything to do in to a circus side show, it's a true talent they have.

CORE should be about 10.x and nothing else. 9.x stuff should be made available to all who paid for the 9.x license, and if it isn't.... I for one will take severe issue with it.

Sort yourselves out NT FFS.

Seriously, I think they totally botched up the LW Core reveal. It could have been great but now we have the entire forum filled up with quesitons and complaints.

If they would have just shown some good quality demo videos from Core and not even brought up the pricing we would have a lot more positive energy on these forums right now.

antsj
02-10-2009, 10:49 AM
The old if only.... never worked too much for me.

Presentation is over. Lets have NEWTEK focus on Core, those with errors can use fog buzz to report them and any others interested in being a core member pony up money to move CORE along.

aj

kfinla
02-10-2009, 11:16 AM
I hope the next presentation is just powerpoint.. or some html plus pre-recorded quicktime movies.