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kojean
02-01-2009, 08:34 AM
I have done some parallel and cross-eye stereoscopic tests before, but I just picked up the Colorcode (http://www.colorcode3d.com/) yellow/blue 3D Superbowl glasses and want to see if I can render something that works with these glasses.

Does anyone have any suggestions for this kind of render? If I render two images, is there a free method or utility to combine them into this Colorcode yellow(amber)/blue 3D format?

3D HD SoBe Lizard Lake Game Day Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg-p5Xsct4Y&fmt=22)

Golden "Shine" 3D HD Music Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg0R9FsEnUs&fmt=22)

http://www.colorcode3d.com/gallery/index.htm
http://www.the3dmoviechannel.com/

JeffrySG
02-01-2009, 10:26 AM
http://tinyurl.com/dzwjuk

Sorry...couldn't resist.... :) but you could replace After Effect with any composting software you'd be using. I think you'll be able to find many different options, although I've never done it myself.

ted
02-01-2009, 12:12 PM
3D must be re-emerging for Television. I just got an e-mail today about new 3D solutions from LA RAVE. I somehow got on their mailing list but it sounded interesting. I better follow your lead Kojean because I'll have a client ask for it eventually.

Here is what they said about new solutions.
"3d Live - Dual SDI streams in, live 3D mix out to a consumer DLP (This product will soon also translate to new LCDs that can support the rate needed for 3D"

JonW
02-01-2009, 02:41 PM
LCD glasses would be the best, but we would need our monitors to run at 120 hz minimum, 60 alternate frames per eye per second, 85 hz per eye would be better, 170 hz for both eyes to avoid headaches.

Looks like we will have to dig up some old CRTs, if anyone can remember what they are.....

kojean
02-01-2009, 04:20 PM
There don't seem to be many search results for this type of stereo image. The only automated utility seems to be the proprietary Colorcode software. The exact color conversion table is patented.

I did find this guide to a manual technique to create a rough approximation of their Amber/Blue compositing:

Ochre / Blue anaglyphs in Photoshop (similar to ColorCode) (http://nzphoto.tripod.com/sterea/anaglyph_make.html#cc)

Anabuilder (http://anabuilder.free.fr/welcomeEN.html) supposedly has a Yellow/Purple option that is similar.

Both of these options are not as effective as using the official Colorcode software.

KevinL
02-01-2009, 04:40 PM
http://stereo.jpn.org/eng/stphmkr/

have joy....
Kevin L

KevinL
02-01-2009, 04:41 PM
I've been playing with it since I had picked up a pair....

:)

dwburman
02-01-2009, 06:07 PM
Just watched the Superbowl spots. I think it definitely works better for color images than Red/Blue anaglyphs.

kojean
02-01-2009, 06:50 PM
http://stereo.jpn.org/eng/stphmkr/
Thanks, I had heard of that one before, but I didn't know it also did yellow/blue until now.


Just watched the Superbowl spots. I think it definitely works better for color images than Red/Blue anaglyphs.
Yeah, it wasn't bad. I watched it on my older front projector, but it was a little dim. No matter how I adjusted it, I couldn't really get it to an acceptable level of brightness/contrast. The bulb just couldn't put out enough light. I'm sure it would look at lot better on a flat panel LCD or Plasma.

jaxtone
02-02-2009, 12:41 AM
Do you believe the same camera settings will work for any display?

kojean
02-02-2009, 05:41 AM
Do you believe the same camera settings will work for any display?
Good question. From what I've seen about these recent promotions, they are using the same settings for everything from SDTV to HD, to projection in a theater. Their camera setup showed that they could dynamically vary the width between cameras, depending on the shot.

Here's a related story about 3D post compositing and editing:

3ality Uses ASSIMILATE SCRATCH for Stereoscopic 3D Digital Workflow (http://digitalintermediates.digitalmedianet.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=127734)

3Dfool
02-02-2009, 07:43 AM
The spots Turned out pretty good if you ask me. I'm not a huge fan of using anaglyphic techniques for the final product, as it takes away allot of the color fidelity. Make no mistake, Color Code is the same thing as red/green anaglyph. Any system that use color as a filtration for different wavelengths of light is by definition anaglyphic, color code just uses the yellow/blue channel with a boost to the blue.

Now to answer the question. How do you render out Color Code for Lightwave renders?


Well, technically you can't. True Color Code has Patented the process by which they boost the luminance in the blue channel to eliminate ghosting, but we can come close.

The basic principle of anything in 3D is to render out a left and right image sequence. Once you have that you can do anything to it, and deliver your 3D for any format.

For Color Code you can do this in any compositing app, for my example I will use Fusion. I boosted the gain (1.2) on the right eye, then used a channel boolean to take only the blue channel from that boosted right eye and replace the blue channel in the left eye. That's it. Instant Color Code 3D

kojean
02-02-2009, 06:13 PM
For Color Code you can do this in any compositing app, for my example I will use Fusion. I boosted the gain (1.2) on the right eye, then used a channel boolean to take only the blue channel from that boosted right eye and replace the blue channel in the left eye. That's it. Instant Color Code 3D
Thanks very much. Your shot looks great with my Superbowl glasses. I'll have to try it out myself.

Zimtower
02-04-2009, 04:59 AM
edit: double post

Zimtower
02-04-2009, 04:59 AM
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d21/zimtower/grabana2.png
Rendered in LW and composited in AnaBuilder. I can't wait for the real software to come out :D

djh
08-17-2009, 09:13 PM
Hi. Can somebody tell me whan i'm doing wrong? :)
I'm trying to create yellow-blue colorcode anaglyph using two photos. Result looks sux: each eye can see other eye's picture (not ghosting, the whole picture, just a bit dark). Tried different software: StereoPhoto Maker, AnaBuilder, original ColorCode Editor and every time output looks the same. However, ColorCode images from flickr/colorcode site looks great! How is it possible?

Sample pictures (~1.5MB each):

ftp://serva.kgn.ru/anaglyph/P1090524RC.JPG (red-cyan, looks good, but some colors are lost of course)
ftp://serva.kgn.ru/anaglyph/P1090524YB.JPG (yellow-blue colorcode, colorful but awful)

3Dfool
08-17-2009, 09:29 PM
Hi. Can somebody tell me whan i'm doing wrong? :)
I'm trying to create yellow-blue colorcode anaglyph using two photos. Result looks sux: each eye can see other eye's picture (not ghosting, the whole picture, just a bit dark). Tried different software: StereoPhoto Maker, AnaBuilder, original ColorCode Editor and every time output looks the same. However, ColorCode images from flickr/colorcode site looks great! How is it possible?

True color code images use special software to encode luminance in the blue part of the image while boosting color levels in the amber. What I see is allot of ghosting, and a bigger issue is you have lens distortion and vertical alignment issues. You need to fix the alignment and boost your levels. Also because color code uses yellow as a filter color (amber) the yellow flowers cannot work as well as they do in the red/cyan anaglyph.

djh
08-17-2009, 09:58 PM
True color code images use special software to encode luminance in the blue part of the image while boosting color levels in the amber.

I've tried to use ColorCode Editor from colorcode website - isn't it 'special software'? Produced same image.



What I see is allot of ghosting, and a bigger issue is you have lens distortion and vertical alignment issues. You need to fix the alignment and boost your levels. Also because color code uses yellow as a filter color (amber) the yellow flowers cannot work as well as they do in the red/cyan anaglyph.

Yes, there is some misalignment, but RC anaglyph looks good enough for me... So, what can you recomend? Boost saturation in left eye and brightness in right eye?

djh
08-18-2009, 02:54 AM
And one more thing. When creating Red-Cyan anaglyph in StereoPhoto Maker, I can choose 'left image' and then left (or right? whatever) eye see it's picture and another eye see black square. But with Yellow-Blue anaglyph both eyes can see 'left image'. This just doesn't seems to be right. Tried on 3 different monitors/videocards - same thing.

3Dfool
08-18-2009, 06:45 AM
I'm not a fan of colorcode. I feel it has too much ghosting and it seems that your image is doing just that. The red/cyan one looks really good. You might want to try an optimized anaglyph or Dubois one that will give you more color and better fidelity.

djh
08-18-2009, 09:14 PM
OK, thanks, I'll continue with RC anaglyph. Just want to try colorcode because there are so many good feedback over the internet (they say, it has much less ghosting, better colors, etc). I guess colorcode images looks good only when there is almost no separation.