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Julez4001
01-06-2009, 08:04 PM
Hey Newtek .. Its January 2009

Now would be a GREAT time to announce a SIGGRAPH KICKASS CONTEST

with some some prizes that would make some CGTALK viewers quake in their boots. A awesome QUAD or OCTA high-*** Ghz machine with a Free Toaster Video suite , Zbrush or latest version of 3D Coat or Both!, Video CoPilot ProSCore and Visual soundfx.... BLu-Ray Burner or something like that.

Remember to break the previous rules and allow some 3rd party help/plugins and apps like Zbrush/3DCoat and After Effects/Fusion

Its January 2009 and not June 2009..give people time to work on something and oh yeah..maybe collaborations

Cageman
01-06-2009, 08:12 PM
This is actually a good idea!

I really couldn't care less about what prizes there may be, as long as the contest is something NT will officially announce and support. Having it started now will allow alot more people to join in, maybe even full-time proffessionals will have time to do something.

geothefaust
01-06-2009, 08:23 PM
Early start... Always a good idea. :thumbsup: Hope for the best.

mikala
01-06-2009, 10:21 PM
Fine ideas!

StereoMike
01-07-2009, 02:25 AM
Yes, that would be a great idea. Early bird.

mike

Matt
01-07-2009, 02:28 AM
Top work that man for remembering that last year we didn't have enough time!

Well done! I'll be up for this one too! :)

archijam
01-07-2009, 03:01 AM
+1.

However, I think the extra time can mean a different type of competition, more representative of LW.

The fundamental difference could be as simple as an additional prize for each category LW targets- as shown on the LW homepage. (See below.)

The animation aspect is important, but not for all areas (print for example), stills could still feature in some way, even a guarantee of publishing them (such as the 9.5 broschure comp.) and of course display at Sigg09.

colkai
01-07-2009, 03:04 AM
Good call, the more time, the better the quality and the better LW looks.

Matt
01-07-2009, 03:31 AM
Good idea Archjam!

Having different categories allows users in those fields to really show off LightWave.

Also, this would be a good time to re-ignite the community video, which stalled because no one could agree what format it should be!

- - -

We really need to make this happen, both the competition and the community video, so that come SIGGRAPH there is a WEALTH of cool content to really show off the power of LightWave.

Chuck, Jay is you're reading this, could really do with some NT input to get this moving!

:)

oobievision
01-07-2009, 03:55 AM
I agree with more time, I can work the bugs out. :agree:

Matt
01-07-2009, 06:32 AM
I really want to get this one moving, NewTek? You reading this?

:D

(Not that you're busy or anything! ;) )

DBMiller
01-07-2009, 06:51 AM
I didn't mind the Lightwave only aspect of the last contest (or the prizes for that matter), but more time would be great. (If NewTek even wants a contest after so many negative remarks the last one generated)!

Matt
01-07-2009, 06:53 AM
I think those comments were due to the little time we had last SIGGRAPH, and the poor turnout as a result.

Easily avoided this year by starting early!

Drakaran
01-07-2009, 08:18 AM
I realized something important, LW started as part of the Video Toaster, which has been marketed to local network. Considering the progression of LW, it's obvious NT feels it's market it still the local networks. That's why LW is presented as it is, and if you wish to win such a contest, doing it quickly, and making something simple and goofy will always win.

Problem is, local networks won't be using this software or only in a very limited way, so until NT changes who they are marketing to and developing for (like the people that actually use their software), keep figuring on plunking out those goofy and cute characters.

monovich
01-07-2009, 10:18 AM
It would be a great idea to start the contest early. Eye popping visuals sell software, and PR motion blur isn't fast! :)

calilifestyle
01-07-2009, 12:43 PM
No need for one this year, its not in LA . hehe ;-)

hrgiger
01-07-2009, 01:05 PM
Yes, a contest would be good to get some material going for Siggraph. Having almost 8 months would be enough time to get some great things accomplished.

avkills
01-07-2009, 02:55 PM
Maybe we can as a community just acknowledge that we should all work on something kick-*** to present to Newtek when they come calling.

-mark

wp_capozzi
01-07-2009, 05:04 PM
I'm all for a new contest, especially one that starts early. I also think it would be a great thing to just have a big showcase of current Lightwave work, a giant compilation for tradeshows and promotion. We should start filoling up the wip and finished work galleries with our good stuff.

Ivan D. Young
01-07-2009, 05:09 PM
you guys are so funny! They will wait to the last second for NAB and just use the Siggraph WIP's instead, HaHa!
And then use the finished projects later.


seriously I like the sentiment, but at least get NAB first before Siggraph, unless of course; Newtek is not going to NAB?

shrox
01-07-2009, 06:35 PM
Could I enter my 70's supercars flick, or would it be something started after the contest announcement?

Matt
01-08-2009, 02:28 AM
Could I enter my 70's supercars flick, or would it be something started after the contest announcement?

Absolutely, that's a great bit of work that!

I think the general message is, if you have something you think is worthwhile showing, finish it off, or work it up to a new level. Or create something cool and new, doesn't even have to be long, as most longer pieces end up being clips anyway. So you could just work on a load of cool clips! Save some time!

:)

Mike_RB
01-08-2009, 07:05 AM
Also, this would be a good time to re-ignite the community video, which stalled because no one could agree what format it should be!

1280x720 @ 24fps. What other possible format would be in the running?

Matt
01-08-2009, 08:02 AM
1280x720 @ 24fps. What other possible format would be in the running?

Oh there was every format ever standardised up for grabs! :)

xes
01-08-2009, 08:04 AM
edited by myself

Netvudu
01-08-2009, 08:07 AM
1280x720 @ 24fps. What other possible format would be in the running?

Dunno Mike. Thatīs what I used at home, but now that I work at the studio everything at 1920x1080, Iīm starting to lean in that direction...a tad too big for the Internet though...

...we could also render at 1280x720 and inflate the darn thing like the Galactica guys (and so many others) xD

Mike_RB
01-08-2009, 08:23 AM
Dunno Mike. Thatīs what I used at home, but now that I work at the studio everything at 1920x1080, Iīm starting to lean in that direction...a tad too big for the Internet though...

...we could also render at 1280x720 and inflate the darn thing like the Galactica guys (and so many others) xD

Exactly. [email protected] is perfect. You can uprez to 1080 and even show it on film and its looks fine. For jobs at 1080 we usually render at 85% of that anyway as the footage we're working to is a little soft anyway.

avkills
01-08-2009, 10:26 AM
I'm good with 720p, although most of my projects are still SD. :(

-mark

Matt
01-08-2009, 12:44 PM
720 I think would be better, many don't have render farms to render long animations at 1280!

:)

JeffrySG
01-08-2009, 01:10 PM
For the video reel last year, was there a topic? or were they just taking any animation that people had?

monovich
01-08-2009, 01:12 PM
1280x720 @ 24fps. What other possible format would be in the running?

quoted for truth!

Mike_RB
01-08-2009, 01:22 PM
720 I think would be better, many don't have render farms to render long animations at 1280!

:)

?

You mean 480 instead of 720?
Options are:
a. 720x480
b. 853x480 (d1 wide)
c. 1280x720
d. 1920x1080

I choose c.

Wickster
01-08-2009, 02:08 PM
I'd go for 1280X720 as well. My LW defaults to that already.

It's better to scale 'down' the 720P to 480P if needed. than to scale 'up' from 480P to 720P. 1920X1080 is kindoff an HD specialty to me. If NT wants to one of our videos rendered in 1080P format. They should help out with the render to speed things up.

Framerate should be left to the user I think. 60, 30 and 24 are all good as long as it's supported here online or running off a computer. Or NT could tell us that part depending on what they use to present it for SIGGRAPH and what framerate their supports.

Still images should be as big as posibble I guess.

JeffrySG
01-08-2009, 02:54 PM
I think 'C' would be a great format.

Mike_RB
01-08-2009, 03:06 PM
Nah, do it at 24 and it looks filmic and we all have shorter rendertimes.

The Dommo
01-08-2009, 03:15 PM
a new contest. Nice idea Julez. I'd be scared off this time tho!!

Dexter2999
01-08-2009, 04:16 PM
seriously I like the sentiment, but at least get NAB first before Siggraph, unless of course; Newtek is not going to NAB?

Oh, they will be at NAB. They just won't have LW at the forefront. I'd bet cash money that NAB is going to be all about the TRICASTER.

Andyjaggy
01-08-2009, 05:52 PM
I always render 1280X720. So +1 for that. If you announce the contest now I might even have time to do an entry. Come on NT.

JCG
01-08-2009, 09:14 PM
There have been suggestions here of a community video and a contest as separate options.

Do you think a team-based contest would achieve the best of both worlds?

Small teams of 1-4 (or 5) wavers could come up with something really complete in 8 months.

It takes time and drains a lot of resources to make a huge community agree on a specific resolution, theme, narrative, style, etc. However, teams of like-minded, similarly-equipped people could hit the floor running.

Having, for example, a modeler, lighter/rigger, a concept artist/texturer, and an animator could allow those who are more specialists than generalists to participate with something that causes a great overall impact (as opposed to simply showing their prowess in their specific field with a video that is weak in the other areas).

I suggest teams of 1-4 because, realistically, giving away more than 4 prizes would delay the "officialization" of the contest. If they have to look for co-sponsors and such, it could take weeks.

I don't think many would mind if only the winning team got actual prizes and the rest of us competed for the runner up prize of being selected for the 2009 NT reel and being broadcast at a major booth in Siggraph. Those who are good enough to really compete for any prize at all will probably feel confident competing for #1.

Also, people of all skill levels could participate. In a single community project, the contributions of the weaker members would have to be either removed or allowed to dilute the contributions of the stronger members. If we make separate entries, our videos would not take anything away from the videos of the stronger participants.

To be able to reach closer to what a community project could achieve, it could be allowed for teams to recruit pro-bono members that relinquish their right to a prize in order to contribute to a project that looks really promising.

It may be enticing for professionals to see what Lightwave can achieve on a tight deadline but to attract hobbyists and newbies... well, at least what got me thinking that I had to get LW no matter what was being blown away by Babylon 5 back then. With 8-month team entries, there could be a few videos with a fair amount of blowawayvity, even by modern standards, ne?

...or something else altogether, sorry... >_<;;

adamredwoods
01-08-2009, 11:00 PM
I'd be willing to volunteer into a team.

Cageman
01-09-2009, 01:47 AM
Hmm... team-based could be nice! I really don't know how much time I may be able to put into a project if I would do everything myself... it is a much higher chance to be able to do something truly great if I can concentrate on doing what I know I can do very well.

I'm all for teams!

Netvudu
01-09-2009, 09:05 AM
Only problem with that is if I canīt get done something in time because of everyday production job, I will only fail myself, but working into a team would be stressing as I know more people are dependant on my work...I mean, thatīs what I have to do at work. I thought personal projects would relieve me from that kind of pressure!! 8/

That being said, there is much people around here I would love to work with...

Andyjaggy
01-09-2009, 10:35 AM
Yeah I don't know about a group competition, I mean for those who want to do that it's fine, but I would be too afraid of letting down others in the group. Full-time paid work takes precedence, and sometimes you never know how busy you are going to be.

JCG
01-09-2009, 10:48 AM
That's why I think the teams should be of 1-4 members. So that those who want to work in a team of 1 member can do so.
I personally would probably go for the 1-member team since my free time does not depend on anyone's planning but on how many computers happen to fail that week.

Andyjaggy
01-09-2009, 10:58 AM
As long as I can use Vue in addition to LW, and I have more then a month or two notice I am in.

hrgiger
01-09-2009, 03:41 PM
I'd be for participating in a team but I may still look to do something on my own. But if people need models built, things UV mapped or animated, I'd be willing to contribute.

Oedo 808
01-10-2009, 04:19 AM
I don't have the necessary skill to get involved, but even if I had, I'd be fearful of the terms and conditions for the entries invalidating what I'd been working on, especially if it were six months worth of work.

Although I know last years requirements were pretty loose, in fact it's probably why some entries were rated lower than might have been expected, because many were obviously just established works cut down.

Julez4001
01-10-2009, 07:04 AM
a new contest. Nice idea Julez. I'd be scared off this time tho!!

If Newtek is reading this then they maybe ignoring seeing that I got that awful STIGMA thread "stirring the hornet's nest" just roasting in here and Dommo I would expect big things from you...no running off, mister. :)

The Dommo
01-11-2009, 07:07 PM
lol cheers Julez ...
well, I've just finished my first Speed Modelling challenge, about to post it now. :)

Andrewstopheles
01-12-2009, 06:24 PM
OK, last time I wanted to participate but with the short turnaround time and limited computing power it was impossible.
(At the time I had a Dell Inspiron with Dual Core 1.8ghz, 2GB Ram and an ATI X1400 video card ***see improved specs below***)
I might throw something together this time, if we're given reasonable time.
BTW If there's no response to this thread soon, maybe we should pool our money and order a pizza (while we wait)?

geothefaust
01-13-2009, 03:47 PM
...Or we could just get that community project rolling that was talked about last year for 9.5?

adamredwoods
01-14-2009, 11:40 AM
...Or we could just get that community project rolling that was talked about last year for 9.5?

Maybe we can just remake Big Buck Bunny, but actually give it a plot.

geothefaust
01-14-2009, 02:12 PM
Maybe we can just remake Big Buck Bunny, but actually give it a plot.

:D lol


Hear hear!

Matt
01-14-2009, 10:10 PM
I saw Big Buck Bunny as more of a tech demo, the story wasn't that awful, I quite enjoyed it.

Dexter2999
01-14-2009, 10:26 PM
Hey, hey, hey....let's not bash the Bunny!

Different cultures have different story telling techniques. I will admit myself that I don't really get the gist of some cultures take on the practice. The English speaking countries tend to share the same methods.

I wish more of you guys would take an interest in Greg Sullivans project. It is now hosted over at Spinquad. http://www.spinquad.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=128

It is an all Lightwave project (at least in the animation and rendering stages). And on top of participating in a project to promote Lightwave you get a chance to win a seat of LW just by giving it a shot! Let me reitterate that. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WIN TO WIN! Just by entering an entry, your name is entered in a drawing for the LW seat.

He has the story. He has put in some serious effort on the audio. They are in the animation stages rights now.

adamredwoods
01-14-2009, 11:29 PM
I liked the other bunny... Presto.
http://www.pixar.com/shorts/presto/index.html

Anyone have an idea that's on par with that?

adamredwoods
01-14-2009, 11:35 PM
Haha, so the next logical step *is* to make yet another bunny movie.... any thoughts?
Maybe a "Bill the Cat" type of bunny?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_the_Cat

JCG
01-15-2009, 07:52 PM
If it is going to be a full community project, I guess the first thing we'd need to determine is the scope, then the style, then the story.

What are people thinking of achieving? The scope would heavily affect the choice of style and story. Would the project attempt something small like... I don't know... a 2-character looney joke or something massive like... err... the 47 ronin.

One possible way to get that started could be if everyone posted the number of hours they think they could invest during these 8 months and their skill level in a scale from 1 to 10 (1 being the highest). Then, after 10 days, dividing the hours by the skill level of each person and adding them all up would give us an idea of the total amount of top-level hours that people plan on offering. Probably the project could really count on people investing about 1/4 of that. The resources available could determine the maximum scope.

But if there's going to be a community project instead of small team projects, even if it's something simple, it would need to start quickly because it has a lot of overhead.

adamredwoods
01-16-2009, 12:27 PM
My thought was the community project was just to make something with Lightwave on the scale of Buck Bunny. You know, with FiberFX and joints. Small projects would still be optional, as this main project would be just for fun. All source files would be open source too.

I personally, wouldn't start by thinking about number of hours, but rather, the story. People's hours fluctuate daily, and would be managed on a task-by-task basis. I've produced shorts before, and would be open to managing the process (if the story was good).

Tasks are usually broken down and fed to anyone willing to take on the task. If they can't finish it, assets are collected and fed to the next person in line. Here's a small list of my quick breakdown:
character modeling (per model), scene modeling (per scene), background painting, texture painting, rigging (per character), scene creation (per setting), animation FX (per shot), character animation(per shot), lighting (per shot), render wrangling (per shot).

Comping, editing, and creative direction (and producing) are the people who need to be around always. Sometimes this is one person.

It's like an assembly line, and workers will come and go, but the project is still there. Sure, it may be not so consistent, but obvious scenes can be revisited. I think this is how Greg is doing it.

Wickster
01-16-2009, 02:24 PM
Call it "Community Studios" :D

Seriously, I think a community project would be awesome. We have almost every talent available in this here's forum. We just need some committee and a finalized, rock solid foundation and work statement to get this started.

JCG
01-16-2009, 10:04 PM
With that scope, there is something I can throw in. Well, I couldn't think of a good story, but this is the silly story that I was planning to use if there was a contest (because it's so easy that it should not be a problem to complete it).

Hopefully someone will propose something better quickly. Jump while the bar is low!

The attached visual aid is a quick doodle of the story in western (left to right) order.

So:

There is a pompously dressed fat fairy strolling through the fields, smelling flowers. Since we don't hear his name, let's call him Wiston.

As he smells one closed bud, it opens and inside is a chubby bee prince (which really is not surprising as all bees are princes and princesses) asking a bashful fairy for her hand in marriage.

When the bashful fairy sees that Wiston is so fat, she immediately falls in love with him.

Wiston is pretty arrogant and just blows the bee away.

The bee comes back to complain at such unroyal treatment but he just gets flicked away again without a second glance.

Now, the prince is a bee and we all know what bees do when we bother them and make them angry.

So, when Wiston is stung, he blows out all his hot air through the entry wound.

When he returns to the ground, he's even thinner than the bee. Therefore, the bashful fairy doesn't like him anymore and prefers to go away with the chubby prince.

Alliante
01-21-2009, 02:28 PM
Although my skills in Lightwave are quite amateur, I'd like to be a part of this project one way or another--mainly for furthering my education and artistic side.

Thanks!
Jeff

Dexter2999
01-22-2009, 01:30 PM
There was a thread about three years ago for a project that sort of fell apart.
The idea was for a Mother Goose inspired commercial for a Law Agency. I don't remember all of it, but something about Humpty Dumpty, and it went from there.

Silk had opened his wiki to host it. When it came time to put up or shut up....everyone shut up.

JCG
01-22-2009, 02:41 PM
... I think the biggest problem here is, that the people who can do are very busy, and the people who want do need some experience! Maybe some people should start only with a little shot...Yes, I really think that with a team competition it would be easier to get finished results at the end, since groups would be more evenly matched but that might not be an insurmountable problem. A short project does not need too many AAA people. The bunny movie only had 4 artists and 2 TDs plus the Creator/director and the musician.

In a real community project, there could be lots of things that we inexperienced people could do. The kinds of tasks that big movies assign to those doing internships: modeling set pieces, trinkets, clothing accessories, adding nurnies, animating background elements...

We could even block some basic foreground elements and the AAA guys can use their valuable time just refining it.

As long as every participant signs a Spock release, stating that they have no ego to bruise if their contributions need to be modified or don't make the cut at all, there should be no problem.

It seems that our director is experienced in moving the few AAA assets around as their schedules become busier/more relaxed.

When it came time to put up or shut up....everyone shut up. The director will definitely need to be passionate about the story; otherwise he won't be hunting down people and squeezing every minute they can spare. The creative vision is the only part that cannot be shared among the community (at least not without diluting it) so having the director excited and passionate is the main thing. So the first thing that we would need to do is to come up with story plot proposals until we find one that really "Clicks" with Mr. Redwoods, no?

adamredwoods
01-22-2009, 03:05 PM
It seems that our director is experienced in moving the few AAA assets around as their schedules become busier/more relaxed.
The director will definitely need to be passionate about the story; otherwise he won't be hunting down people and squeezing every minute they can spare. The creative vision is the only part that cannot be shared among the community (at least not without diluting it) so having the director excited and passionate is the main thing. So the first thing that we would need to do is to come up with story plot proposals until we find one that really "Clicks" with Mr. Redwoods, no?

Well said. I like your fairy idea, but I feel that a project needs to have "punch" in order to attract (and keep) people working on it. An idea that resonates with a large portion of the people here.

A way to begin brainstorming is, what had worked in the past?
Pixar, Dreamworks, BLender. What do they do? What is the common thread?

The common thread that I see is the "twist" at the end of a story. Something funny that happens in the end that no one expected. The story builds in one direction, then suddenly, swerves and gives the audience something unexpected, but believable to the storyline.

adamredwoods
01-22-2009, 03:17 PM
...and there should probably be a cat in the story, since people like cats in this forum.

JCG
01-22-2009, 05:41 PM
Speaking of cats, I have another idea. I remember from an older thread that there are many Monkey fans here.

There was an episode in Journey to the West that was pretty cool and self-contained. The one of the Emperor in the well.

It has drama: the tragic betrayal of the emperor; emotion: the son and the mother reuniting after 3 years and discovering their loved one's fate; suspense: Monkey and Pigsy sneaking into the palace in the middle of the night looking for the body; comedy: Pigsy showing his companions how well he can wail and Tripitaka getting so moved that he started crying too was worthy of Chuck Jones; action: monkey chasing the evil wizard in his cloud and the final battle among the 4 super creatures.

For those who don't know the story, supersummarizedly it goes sort of like this:

Tripitaka and his 3 disciples are going from China to India to fetch scriptures in the mid 600s. On their way they reached the abandoned Treasure Wood Temple (OK, it was not really abandoned but who wants to model 500 priests that have no relevance on the story).

When Tripitaka is asleep, a ghost asks him for help. He was the good emperor of that small country. During a terrible drought, he had been fasting and praying for rain when a powerful wizard arrived.

The wizard made it rain and the emperor made the wizard his brother, sharing with him his house and everything he had. One day, 3 years before our story began, while the two were walking alone, hand in hand in the flower garden, the wizard pushed him into the garden's well, buried it, planted a banana tree on top and transformed into his identical likeness. Then, he used his magic to prevent the dead emperor's soul from going to the realm of the dead so that he could not place a complaint.

The wizard had been ruling in his place for 3 years and everyone had accepted him without question. As proof, the ghost gave Tripitaka a tablet. When the priest woke up, he found the tablet and realized it wasn't just a dream.

Next day, monkey transformed into a rabbit and tricked the price into following him to the temple where, with the help of the tablet they half-convinced him that the man sitting on the throne was an usurper.

So the prince went back to the palace through the back door and talked to his mother (whom the wizard had prevented him from seeing since the day of the murder) and she confirmed that the emperor had not been the same these last 3 years. The prince told her the news he got from Tripitaka and went back to the temple to plan on how to expose the impostor.

They agreed that they'd go the next morning, the prince would expose the impostor and monkey would mop him out, no matter how powerful a wizard he was.

At night, monkey told Tripitaka that the tablet might not be enough for the court and the army to believe them. They needed to fetch the dead emperor's corpse. Monkey woke up Pigsy and told him that the wizard might use the great treasure he hid under a banana tree to thwart them and he could use Pigsy's great strength to steal the treasure that night. Greedy Pigsy agreed readily and, after digging out the tree, found the well. Monkey lowered him with his stretching staff so he could look for the "treasure" inside.

Pigsy found the palace of the Dragon King of the well, who had been caring for the emperor's body all those years and had it perfectly preserved. Pigsy refused to carry out a dead body but monkey threatened with not pulling him back out if he refused. Then, he threatened to beat him up if he didn't carry the dead emperor back to the temple.

Pigsy planned his revenge on the way back and lied to Tripitaka that Monkey knew how to resurrect the emperor. Monkey objected and Pigsy convinced the gullible priest to use his secret spell to tighten the band around Monkey's head until the unbearable pain made him agree.

Not able to stand the pain, Monkey agreed to resurrect the emperor (but I think the story works better if he would stay dead until the end).

Then they go to the palace under the pretense of arranging Tripitaka's passport for crossing the country. They expose the wizard but he escapes flying in a cloud. Monkey follows but the cunning usurper transforms into Tripitaka and they don't know whom to attack. They can finally tell them apart because only Tripitaka knows the secret spell to torture Monkey.

The three disciples and the wizard engage in an epic final battle. When Monkey is about to deliver the final blow, a bodhisattva comes and explains that the wizard is her blue lion. She explains that the emperor was good but did something bad and had to spend three years in a well as punishment for the karma etc etc.

Dexter2999
01-22-2009, 05:55 PM
Well, if there is dialog and an approved story, I have a DJ/Actor that is willing to do a character or voice over for free. I could record dialog. Can't vouch for any other sound effects but I could take a stab at it.

JCG
01-23-2009, 03:22 PM
Or it could be about a heterogeneous group of very confused individuals who have to take a cat to the mysterious "Core" in only 13 days and 12 hours. :tongue:

jasonwestmas
01-27-2009, 11:33 AM
I'm all for teams!

Me 2:jam:

JCG
01-28-2009, 03:03 PM
Here's another one with cats

A sweet, gentle old lady is completely alone in her room, sighing about how much she wished she would have a kitten to keep her company and make her life happy.

Pan out of the house and there's a beautiful little orphan kitten meowing and scratching at her door. However, the old lady is deaf as a doorknob and she has no idea.

So the little wild creatures of the neighborhood decide to help them and alert the old lady to go to the kitten before it's too late.

However, it is not easy because the mice of the house are not interested in sharing their home with that kind of guest. They would do anything to stop them.

jasonwestmas
01-29-2009, 11:25 AM
... maybe we should start just a thread and open a little teamproject, it is not important to say it is for siggraph! just starting something, and when it is finished newtek can use it if they like!

people keep talking about this but no one seems to want to take the initiative. Do we really dislike eachother that much? ;) Of course the 9.2 feature demonstrations that was done was pretty good.

adamredwoods
01-29-2009, 12:16 PM
people keep talking about this but no one seems to want to take the initiative. Do we really dislike eachother that much? ;) Of course the 9.2 feature demonstrations that was done was pretty good.

I'm open to spearheading it, but I need a darn good script.

@JCG:
You are doing a great job brainstorming. I like this latest cat idea. The ending will need a great twist.
- the cat ends up robbing her
- she ends up accepting the mice
- she is allergic to cats and gets a dog
- a dog hired the mice to rid the cat and get the dog instead
- she has a pet fish
- she has a closet full of dead cats
- one of the mice makes her a delicious meal (haha ratatouille), then the cat eats that mouse
...

Things i look for in ideas:
- simple/universal
- original
- minimal voice over
- ending with a twist or what i call "punch"
- needs a cat to draw in LW forum support

JCG
01-29-2009, 04:14 PM
Actually, I had been thinking of possible script paths if you happened to like the idea. Something with a little less of a dark, art-filmish twist and more of a mainstream cartoon twist.

There needed to be a sense of urgency; something that made getting the cat in the house time-critical. So the most solid idea I thought of so far was that the bird (who stood at the old lady's window and and realized how lonely she was) looked down and saw the kitten at her door and then looked further down the street and saw the guy from the city pound coming, with his net on his shoulder. Just then, the mice slam the window shut, revealing just how deaf the old lady is. The friendly neighborhood critters try desperate to get the kitten in before the guy from the animal pound arrives. All the while he's getting closer... CLOSER.

When they're about to succeed, the mice do a spectacular last-minute save and we see the guy from the dog pound standing tall behind kitty. He grabs him! Then he says, "Were you locked out little fellow?" He opens the door and drops kitty inside.

I'll try to think of something better but hopefully somebody else will come up with something great.

Julez4001
01-29-2009, 06:06 PM
... maybe we should start just a thread and open a little teamproject, it is not important to say it is for siggraph! just starting something, and when it is finished newtek can use it if they like!

Nah! Prizes will motivate to finish.

Maybe a kickass computer with a 30" screen can be a possibility

3DeeNut
01-30-2009, 03:30 PM
If its decided to go ahead with this, and teams are going to be cosidered, consider me please. I'd love to work on a group project.

Gui Lo
02-01-2009, 02:34 AM
I would love to participate and the most reliable way I can is to help with rendering.

My only concern is that stuff gets moved around or slight changes in settings.

Can LW merge everything into a single file to render? Or maybe a script can be written to do the same thing. Basically, I'd love to load in the scene at night render the desired frames and see them ready by morning to send.

A team effort that lasts months may need such a script.

Cheers

Gui Lo

The Dommo
02-02-2009, 02:15 PM
we can make LW packages now containg all the relevant files for a project.

Gui Lo
02-03-2009, 03:16 AM
we can make LW packages now containg all the relevant files for a project.

Yes, I guess.

It would be nice not to have to go into Layout at all. Just a render module that has a few fields for scene name/location and save name/ location.

Just a thought

Gui Lo

Julez4001
02-09-2009, 11:47 AM
It looks like one needs a facilitator and you guys definitely need a crude contract to keep the content of the project among yourselves so that if anyone wants to leave..they can't take their ball home with them and the project can still continue.

bittleralain01
02-11-2009, 11:00 AM
Hello, I would like to know the date for the Siggraph contest, is it open?
Thank you,
Alain

Wickster
02-13-2009, 04:29 PM
Is the community project still on?
Let's get this rolling...

I propose the topic for the community project be "CORE"
Model and animate anything CORE-y. The CORE logo, the Earth's core, the sun's core, an apple's core, whatever.

Let's do this motion graphics style.

For inspiration look here:
http://www.vimeo.com/3089715

1280X720X24 Format

Let's do this!!!
...or not if you don't want to. :D

Wickster
02-13-2009, 04:39 PM
Oh, gotta thank Oliver for showing me that inspiring Reel.

adamredwoods
02-15-2009, 01:35 PM
Again, I'm all for spearheading a community project, but it's gotta be a sound idea for me and others to invest our time.

We were pretty close with the cat and the old woman. Needs a nice, original "spark" or something... can't quite put my finger on it...

inspiration: watch Gobelins "Cocotteminute"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulXT6JBzTUk

or "Le building"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiffKlnfpjw&NR=1

or "Burning Safari"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0UmVrKC9hA&feature=related


The GKaster demo reel is sharp work, but easily something one could do on their own time.

jasonwestmas
02-15-2009, 03:00 PM
Again, I'm all for spearheading a community project, but it's gotta be a sound idea for me and others to invest our time.

We were pretty close with the cat and the old woman. Needs a nice, original "spark" or something... can't quite put my finger on it...

inspiration: watch Gobelins "Cocotteminute"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulXT6JBzTUk

or "Le building"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiffKlnfpjw&NR=1

or "Burning Safari"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0UmVrKC9hA&feature=related


The GKaster demo reel is sharp work, but easily something one could do on their own time.

HAHA, I like how there is no happy ending in those. . .really, just utter chaos.;D

My taste is like slow dancing in comparison.

JCG
02-16-2009, 11:43 PM
Awww :( I was hoping the poor old lady and the orphan kitty would have a cheerful, happy ending. I guess it's a fittingly ironic twist that the cat-loving (and [quite likely] old-lady loving?) Lightwave community would make a story where they have to suffer a horrible ending ^_^

Well, if you're really going for the dark ending, I'd vote for the closet full of dead cats you proposed... But instead of a closet, it would be a room... And instead of just dead, they would be stuffed. Stuffed animals project an eeriness that even cooked animals can't match.

To tie the ending, we could start with the old lady could be sighing lonely in her room next to a rack full of photographs of cats. She could be knitting a cute-cute kitty-faced blanket. Next to each photo, a tiny burning candle and the reflection of the sad, lonely and melancholic eyes of the old lady.

The birds see her through the window and they gulp as their tiny heart is moved. They see the little, orphan kitty walking close by and they actually encourage it and almost drag it to the house.

We'd have to get rid of the ninja mice, though. If the story is going to be about the animals getting the kitty in the house to help it and everything twisting into kitty's most horrible destiny, the mice would simply not fit within the short-story frame. Unless they are good mice and are actually trying to save kitty...

For little animals, just trying to get a kitty in the house (with no obvious entry points and with the old lady being too deaf to hear or notice them) can be challenge enough.

When they get kitty in, the old lady and the kitty are both overjoyed. She leads it in, as the other animals leave, happily congratulating themselves. She opens the creaky, shadowy door to her trophy room, where all the cats from the pictures are kept (all of them stuffed, of course). As kitty walks in, seemingly more scared with every step, the old lady starts expertly pulling a small bottle and a cotton from her back pocket. Fade to black. The end.

adamredwoods
02-18-2009, 10:53 AM
Interesting...

I also thought that if there is a happy ending, then the audience needs to know the woman's motives first. So we'd see that the old lady stuffs cats, or loves "cat soup". So the kitten is trying to get out, instead of in. and the birds and outside animals are trying to help.

The ending would be: the old lady gets it (expected outcome), or we find out the old lady was just trying to give the cat a hot bath. Or the old lady was actually a dog in an "old woman suit". Or a robot controlled by mice.

In my opinion, shorts need to have a twist or a non-expected ending to really capture attention. Pixar, Disney can go for the traditional endings because they have brand recognition.

JCG
02-18-2009, 01:25 PM
When you mentioned cat soup, I started thinking about something that had to do with cat soup and ketchup (catsup) but I'd rather not go there!

Yes a dark twist might be the only way... unless it's hilarious. If the body is funny enough, the audience will forgive any ending. The critics will not (forgive it) but I guess you can win Cannes or you can win MTV but you can't win both. (Doesn't mean we can't try.) Of course, making it funny would present a whole new challenge that depends a lot on luck or finding someone who is really naturally funny to come up with stuff.

In the twist avenue, the (very) old lady could be walking by the door with a bottle of milk in her hand when she hears a meow. She looks through the peeping hole of her heavily bolted door, since her windows are boarded.

Outside, kitty is looking especially cute and especially famished.

She looks at the milk, she looks at kitty, she looks at the hundreds of locks on the door. Finally she starts opening the locks, opens a creak in the door and puts out the bottle of milk. She tries to pull her arm back in but... it's too late! In a flash, kitty has put a handcuff on her wrist and POOF, transforms back into a grim reaper. He laughs. Finally, he has her! He knew she would not be able to resist that one! He pulls on the arm and it's a fake arm with a stick of dynamite sticking out on the other end. The door quickly closes.

Or another....

In this one all the shots of the inside of the house look cozy and warm and the outside looks especially cold and harsh.

There is only one cat picture but it has no candle since the cat did not die. He had to leave because... I'm getting ahead of myself... well, anyway, at the end when they get kitty inside, the old lady looks more alarmed than happy.

Kitty jumps into her arms and the landlord's shadow shoots into the room. A long, imposing shadow, even though the landlord is quite short. He points at the sign that says, "No pets under penalty of eviction!" and kicks them both out into the street.


or another... though I think I've seen this one done many times before, in different scenarios...

the little animals try to get kitty in the house by opening an entrance and the mice keep preventing them from using it. When finally they can get kitty inside for the happy reunion, the house has been so heavily damaged that it falls down around them.

Another one, on the very happy ending side...

The mice really go to extremes to stop kitty from getting inside. They are terrified of the prospect of having a cat in there and know their lives would be forfeit. After the mice have done all their nefarious deeds to try to stop the animals from getting kitty into the house, it's finally in, joined in a loving embrace with the old lady. The mice are going, defeated and nervous, back to their mousehole when kitty slams his paw in front of the entrance preventing them from going in. The mice are terrified but kitty slides his paw into the mousehole and snaps the mousetrap that was waiting for them inside. Kitty smiles at them. Cut to the three mice sitting together in line, with a tiny napkin tied around their neck and kitty feeding them soup with a tiny spoon and the old lady feeding kitty soup.

adamredwoods
02-19-2009, 11:57 AM
In a flash, kitty has put a handcuff on her wrist and POOF, transforms back into a grim reaper. He laughs. Finally, he has her! He knew she would not be able to resist that one! He pulls on the arm and it's a fake arm with a stick of dynamite sticking out on the other end. The door quickly closes.


I like the concept of the grim reaper trying to get into an old lady's house, but she keeps thwarting his efforts. The ending would be that he finally gets in, but was after the goldfish...

Or even...
Old woman is sleeping in her bed. cat is awake and walking around (cats naturally go on "police beats", guarding territory) and sees the grim reaper trying to get in the door. The cat leaps to defend her master, slamming the door on grim.

Grim tries two different ways, but cat thwarts them all. Finally, grim gets in! cat rushes to protect her master... but grim was after the cat all along. Owner wakes up, stretches. end.



Kitty jumps into her arms and the landlord's shadow shoots into the room. A long, imposing shadow, even though the landlord is quite short. He points at the sign that says, "No pets under penalty of eviction!" and kicks them both out into the street.

Funny ending! This is good, too.

JCG
02-19-2009, 01:35 PM
Grim tries two different ways, but cat thwarts them all. Finally, grim gets in! cat rushes to protect her master... but grim was after the cat all along. Owner wakes up, stretches. end.Yes, or the cat didn't know that the old lady knew George the grim reaper and was expecting him for a romantic candle-lit dinner, like every Thursday.

iaef
02-19-2009, 10:30 PM
ok! just to keep up with the thread. Let me ask what will it finally be?

First: objective
NAB?
SIGGRAPH?

Second:
Contest?
Short film?

What I just got clear is the resolution known as c (1280x720)

Well, anyway... I just hope to have some time to jump into the effort. :)

JCG
02-23-2009, 07:07 AM
We don't know! It seems that the contest idea was not picked up so it might have shifted to a community project instead.

All we know if that we have a volunteer for the director position and we're trying to come up with ideas to see if we find any that he likes.