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Matt
01-02-2009, 05:32 AM
Hi

We're quoting for a job at the moment which will require 2 minute animation, complete with people moving around in the scene.

Obviously there are two routes (ignoring modelling, rigging and animating them yourself!) fully rigged 3D people and 2D animated maps.

The main sites that offer either I know of are:

Got3d.com (http://www.got3d.com/)
Marlinstudios.com (http://www.marlinstudios.com/products/people/people.htm)
Axyz-Design.com (http://www.axyz-design.com/axyz-design-3d-humans-characters-dvdbundle-MePB0001.php)

Unfortunately the animated 3D ones on Axyz's site are 3DSMax only. But to be honest, I was thinking the easier route would be 2D animaps anyway.

My questions are:

1) What other stock libraries would you recommend (2D/ 3D if LW available)?

2) What are your experiences with using any of these?

Thanks in advance.

Cheers
Matt

Stooch
01-02-2009, 06:05 AM
isnt lw 9.6 making alot of progress in importing poser figures?

if you just want filler crowds, why not?

or you can make some MDD animation sequences and use those. a very simple walking biped rig in LW should be a piece of cake too. if you never get too close you can quickly knock em out. should be a half a day job.

mdd walk cycles would be ideal if you have a large crowd. then there is motion builder and mocap files.

joseburgos
01-02-2009, 06:40 AM
There was an article in HDRI where Gregory Glezakos used 3D people from http://www.doschdesign.com/ and HD Instance to make a crowd.
It was issue # 18 http://www.hdri3d.com/issues/h18.htm, that showed how he did it.
He used mocap as well.

Take care,

RebelHill
01-02-2009, 06:52 AM
Yeah, id say the same... depending on how close up you will need to see the people moving, and how obvious cheats, etc are gonna be... Go with 2D mapped, or for more close up shots, a couple basic models with rigs, couple simple walk cycles, or a dash of mocap should be easy enough, shouldnt take too long to get into your piece.

Matt
01-02-2009, 08:00 AM
The main problem we have here is ..... I couldn't rig my way out of a paper bag! :D

Limbus
01-02-2009, 08:12 AM
Animating a believable Walkcycle is no easy task, especially not for an unexperienced animator. So you might think about getting some MoCap data and someone who can apply it to your meshes (if you have found some useable meshes).

Axyz also offers a Plug and Play library of walking people for LW with meshes and MDD files but I think the models are only good enough for background stuff and I don't know the quality of the MDD files.

For 2D people check out this site: http://www.greenlayers.com/. I bet there are more like this around.

Cheers, Florian

Matt
01-02-2009, 08:21 AM
Thanks Limbus, I recognise that subway rendering! That was done in LightWave! :)

Exception
01-02-2009, 09:19 AM
Hi Matt,

I thought it was really easy to just buy an AXYZ pack and get an AXYZ motion pack and just apply the motions to the models. I seem to remember them starting out as a LightWave outfit... I am pretty sure that's possible without rigging (they might come with rigs? Maybe MDD's?)

Matt
01-02-2009, 09:31 AM
Are you saying you've done that? Or just suggesting it?

Exception
01-02-2009, 09:34 AM
Are you saying you've done that? Or just suggesting it?

No, I have not.
But I have been on the verge to, so I did some research on it a while back, but it's not all to clear in my head again. It seemed to me, at the time, to be a several-click solution... as you know, I can't rig my way out of a shoebox...

Matt
01-02-2009, 09:58 AM
I can't rig my way out of a shoebox...

Glad I'm not the only one! A pair of rigless wonders! :D

cresshead
01-02-2009, 10:14 AM
Hi

We're quoting for a job at the moment which will require 2 minute animation, complete with people moving around in the scene.

Obviously there are two routes (ignoring modelling, rigging and animating them yourself!) fully rigged 3D people and 2D animated maps.

The main sites that offer either I know of are:

Got3d.com (http://www.got3d.com/)
Marlinstudios.com (http://www.marlinstudios.com/products/people/people.htm)
Axyz-Design.com (http://www.axyz-design.com/axyz-design-3d-humans-characters-dvdbundle-MePB0001.php)

Unfortunately the animated 3D ones on Axyz's site are 3DSMax only. But to be honest, I was thinking the easier route would be 2D animaps anyway.

My questions are:

1) What other stock libraries would you recommend (2D/ 3D if LW available)?

2) What are your experiences with using any of these?

Thanks in advance.

Cheers
Matt

actually if you look just a little harder you'll find that there ARE animated people ready to be drag dropped into lightwave from
Axyz-Design.com (http://www.axyz-design.com/axyz-design-3d-humans-characters-dvdbundle-MePB0001.php)

probably the best non head scratching route for you to take i think now that lightwave [plays nice with FBX you can use characters from this for example

http://www.axyz-design.com/axyz-design-3d-humans-characters-metropoly2-fbx.php

then add a walk pak to get your models walking about or a misc pak for general animations
http://www.axyz-design.com/axyz-design-3d-humans-characters-mocap-bip-emo0003.php

RebelHill
01-02-2009, 10:28 AM
I couldn't rig my way out of a paper bag! :D

Different strokes, different folks, eh...

If ti were me, Id just rig something up myself, cos if it were just for a few basic walkcycles, itd be quick as hell (and save me the money on buying assets in)... but sure, if thats not ur game, buying preanimated/mocap stuff is defo the way to go.

JeffrySG
01-02-2009, 10:34 AM
Different strokes, different folks, eh...

If ti were me, Id just rig something up myself, cos if it were just for a few basic walkcycles, itd be quick as hell (and save me the money on buying assets in)... but sure, if thats not ur game, buying preanimated/mocap stuff is defo the way to go.

Really enjoyed your character reel! :) was is all LW?

cresshead
01-02-2009, 10:34 AM
if your hesetant on using fbx then there's mdd versions here>>

http://www.axyz-design.com/cart/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=108

http://www.axyz-design.com/cart/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=39

http://www.axyz-design.com/cart/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=28

ben martin
01-02-2009, 10:43 AM
Hi Matt,

If you have xStream 6.60 or 7 you can use poser low-res figures (walkcycle-path-poser animated) and export that figures to a xStream scene.
Then use the Lightwave / Xstream integration and add to Lightwave/Xstream stage all the props you need to complete the scene.
RENDER away!

cresshead
01-02-2009, 01:04 PM
how about this plugin for lightwave/poser?

http://www.kurvstudios.com/software/lightwave3d.php

joseburgos
01-02-2009, 01:16 PM
But he would have to own Poser to use the low poly characters.

cresshead
01-02-2009, 01:20 PM
But he would have to own Poser to use the low poly characters.

i got poser 5 for free ages back..they had a free download version back then..zero cost!:thumbsup:

also they are currently offering poser 7 for $99 rather than $249 which is a great deal for what you get.:thumbsup:

http://www.contentparadise.com/us/user/poser_7_english_full_version_product_25804

and poser 6 is just $29!!!

RebelHill
01-02-2009, 01:21 PM
Really enjoyed your character reel! :) was is all LW?

Thanks much, and yes... yes all LW...

God I miss NYC pizza... and mud on 9th...

/end threadjack

joseburgos
01-02-2009, 01:32 PM
Poser 5 for free and Poser 7 for $99 is a great deal (free is always better).

"God I miss NYC pizza... and mud on 9th..."
I moved to NJ as well but I go into the 5 boros all the time to get some food.
Also. I am in the metro NYC area of NJ so I get great pizza :)

Take care,

RebelHill
01-02-2009, 01:34 PM
I moved to NJ as well

check again my friend... thats jersey, not NEW jersey

joseburgos
01-02-2009, 01:37 PM
Holy crap that is a little bit of a ride for pizza :)
Now I feel you :o

JeffrySG
01-02-2009, 04:12 PM
Thanks much, and yes... yes all LW...
God I miss NYC pizza... and mud on 9th...
/end threadjack
Yep, NYC Pizza... the best in the world... :D
I moved out of NYC a few months ago so I crave it also!

pps. your rigging real is really slick too!


check again my friend... thats jersey, not NEW jersey
LOL I almost made that same mistake!


Holy crap that is a little bit of a ride for pizza :)
Now I feel you :o
Yeah, makes you want it even more I bet... I could go for some right now!


(sorry for the off topic stuff Matt!)

LightFreeze
01-02-2009, 06:49 PM
blatant plug alert

use Poser6 and its walk designer, then use the Posermdd Pack (http://www.vuescripts.com/_A/index.php?id=1,0,0,1,0,0) to take mdd`s straight into LW without having to worry about deformations or rigging and if you have the time put some poser cloth dynamics on your models (its a very good cloth sim) and hair as well, but keep the hair short if there is a deadline approaching :). With no dynamics you could get a character walking in LW in under 10 mins

zapper1998
01-02-2009, 07:18 PM
didn't William V, have a video on doing a walk cycle ??

joseburgos
01-02-2009, 08:03 PM
blatant plug alert

use Poser6 and its walk designer, then use the Posermdd Pack (http://www.vuescripts.com/_A/index.php?id=1,0,0,1,0,0) to take mdd`s straight into LW without having to worry about deformations or rigging and if you have the time put some poser cloth dynamics on your models (its a very good cloth sim) and hair as well, but keep the hair short if there is a deadline approaching :). With no dynamics you could get a character walking in LW in under 10 mins

I purchased this plug-in from you late this year and it works exactly as advertised :)

Take care,

LightFreeze
01-03-2009, 01:33 AM
Thanks Jose, always nice to hear from a happy customer :thumbsup: