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Paul_Boland
11-13-2008, 01:04 PM
To Jonny Gorden, author of the Lightwave 3D 8 Cartoon Character Creation books, THANK YOU :thumbsup:!!!

For a decade and a half I tried to create organic characters using Caligari's TrueSpace but I could never wrap my head around the techniques needed to do it. With Caligari taking TrueSpace in a new direction, one which I didn't like, I closed the door on a decade and half of work and moved over to Lightwave 3D 8, finding myself back on Square 1, back at the beginning, learning how to create a cube, a sphere, how to apply a texture, etc.

For the past few months I've been tinkering away in Lightwave, learning the package, the tools, etc. A few days ago, I picked up your two books (which I actually bought when they were originally released) and sat down and followed the instructions on creating Morfi. TWO DAYS later, I was stunned to find I had done just that, I had actually modelled my first ever organic model.

Putting Morfi aside, I started a new model just to see if I could do it myself and in less then an hour I created Furry Bear here.
http://www.iol.ie/~pkb/Furry%20Bear.jpg
He's nowhere hear as good looking as Morfi, and I'm sure the skilled users here will look at Furry Bear and laugh, but to me, this is a landmark achievement!! This is an organically modelled teddy bear, done in less then an hour!

One week ago, I couldn't do this...
Two days with your book gave me the skills needed to enter the realm of organic character modelling, a skill set I've been trying to get for 15+ years!!

Furry Bear above may look very basic, but to me I'm totally over the moon with this achievement. You've opened a door for me that I couldn't put a dent in for 15+ years. Now I have a whole new realm of 3D creativity to learn and explore.

Thank you very much, Jonny, I really appreciate you taking the time to write this series of books and I look forward to continuing to learn from them as I move on to Hamish's model.

Paul Boland.

coremi
11-13-2008, 01:19 PM
you should also check Inside Lightwave series, they were great for me, probably you can find used ones.

Matt
11-13-2008, 01:50 PM
Also, search the forums for William Vaughan's video tutorials, they are simply essential LightWave viewing.

geothefaust
11-13-2008, 03:03 PM
Congrats. :thumbsup:

I know exactly how you feel. I had the same thing happen a few years ago when I discovered LW. I was using "other" packages that felt really cumbersome. But when I jumped on over here, I felt like I could actually do something with the package.

My turning point was when I used Larry's videos. After that, it hasn't been the same. :)

akademus
11-13-2008, 07:26 PM
Seems that a decision I made in 1997 to turn from TrueSpace to Lightwave was a right one. At last, I was confirmed :D

Thank you Paul, good luck with your pursue. For the first character ever made in Lightwave that bear looks bloody awesome. Congratulations and can't wait to see more...

SplineGod
11-13-2008, 10:58 PM
Hey Paul you might find a few of these useful:
http://www.vfxcast.com/playlist/char_mod/

Sarford
11-14-2008, 04:09 AM
Congrats with your bear Paul!

Now, get back to work and keep those character comming! :D

cresshead
11-14-2008, 04:57 AM
Hey Paul you might find a few of these useful:
http://www.vfxcast.com/playlist/char_mod/

Vfx cast has some cool vids on there nowdays..as ever 'ole splinegod show you how simple it is to model organics in lightwave> Pteradactyl model.

SplineGod
11-14-2008, 07:39 AM
You have some videos stashed somewhere dont you? Post em up! :)

Paul_Boland
11-17-2008, 02:00 PM
Sorry, been away the past few days. Thanks, All, for the extra links and info and the posts of encouragement. I do have other books and videos which I've been working from to learn Lightwave, but it was Jonny's books which have lead me, finally, to organic character modelling. I will sure be posting more of my work in this field as I explore and expand my skills in this area. Thanks again, all these tips and links are very much appreciated.

jonny
11-17-2008, 04:14 PM
Paul, you are most welcome, it's always great to hear stories like yours.

I look forward to seeing what you're able to achieve (Dragon Quest 2) when you've completed my books :)

Keep an eye out on my site in the coming months for some updates to my books. I won't be publishing full updated versions until LW10 is released, but I'll be posting some new info and additional tutes relevant to LW9...

Stunt Pixels
11-17-2008, 04:25 PM
Keep an eye out on my site in the coming months for some updates to my books. I won't be publishing full updated versions until LW10 is released, but I'll be posting some new info and additional tutes relevant to LW9...

Sweet! Man, I am so looking forward to that! Those books are gold. The fundamentals are still solid with 9.5.1, but I am really curious to get your take on the recent changes with LW, and what that has changed with your working methodology!

Paul_Boland
11-18-2008, 01:28 PM
Hi Jonny. Glad to see you saw my post. Thanks again for writing these books, I'm finally at the beginning of creating organic character models. I will indeed keep an eye on your site.

Cheers!!


PS: Dragon Quest 2... I was actually thinking the same thing myself ;)...

jonny
11-18-2008, 05:17 PM
Thanks Stunt Pixels, you're right not too much has changed with 9 that effects the books, but a few things are just starting to happen that are worth mentioning (That's not to say of course that lots of things haven't changed, just not in the areas that are really important to my books).

Ultimately not much has changed with my techniques either, the fundamentals are still the same for sure. It's the more advanced stuff that tends to change, the icing on the cake. The building blocks are still the same... well, until very recently...

Paul, keep in touch. If you have any probs lemme know, and best of luck with your character creation :thumbsup:

Paul_Boland
06-26-2009, 08:39 PM
Sorry for resurrecting this old topic, but just wanted to share my latest developments in this field. The text below the image is the actual text on my website post of this image.

Man

http://www.iol.ie/~pkb/Man.jpg

According to the Bible, God created man in his own image...
What I'm wondering is, did he start out with a cube!! Because that's exactly how I started Man here.

For over a decade and a half I tried to do organic modelling in Caligari's TrueSpace. While I did produce some human characters in my time, they were blocky, made of individual pieces, and hair... Hair was usually polygons textured to look like hair, but basically flat, glued to the characters head. Don't get me wrong, I loved those creations, another step forward in my 3D development, but I always wanted to be able to do proper character models and it was a skill I just never could wrap my head around in TrueSpace.

A year ago I made the move over to Lightwave 3D 8 and have been working away in it, learning the new tools, the new ways of doing things, and further developing my 3D skills. Tonight I've taken yet another step forward. Let me introduce, "Man"...

Man started life as a cube and with the use of SubPatches, was shaped and molded into this fine chap above. His head is all one object, there are no bits and pieces here and there. The only parts that are seperate objects are the two eyes which are two spheres. The hair was created using Sasquatch.

Development time was 3 hours. I'm sure a seasoned Lightwave user could churn out Man, and a much better version of him at that, in much less time, but for me, this is another huge step forward in my 3D development. And, once again, Lightwave 3D's render engine left me floored at its speed, rendering Man here in 1.9 seconds.

littlewaves
06-27-2009, 10:57 AM
According to the Bible, God created man in his own image...
What I'm wondering is, did he start out with a cube!! Because that's exactly how I started Man here.

In the pre-King James version of the bible it clearly stated that God used splines for Adam (that's where Larry Shultz got his username) He then used the much underused "rib" primitive to model Eve.

He made them naked because back then Cloth FX with even more of a ***** to work with than it is now.

It all went fine until the SockSerpent tempted Eve with an Apple which once she got only made her whine about the lack of a 64bit UB so God kicked them out of the garden and was just left with the CORE which was absolutely no use to anyone so he planted it and hoped it would grow into something usable in around twenty years.

Still waiting now after 3 million years (or 6 to 7000 years give or take a few "begats" if you're a creationist)

borkus
06-27-2009, 09:59 PM
That post gave me a good laugh...