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Karl Hansson
08-06-2003, 01:12 PM
I would like some advise on flat panels. Can you run LW on a 17inch screen, I know the resolution have to be 1024x768 but will a 17inch screen be to small to be practical? Any suggestons on good flat panel screens at good prices?

Zafar Iqbal
08-06-2003, 01:17 PM
Im waiting for my next payroll, and then i'll most likely buy Samsung Syncmaster 191T .. i suggest you save some more money and go for a 19" screen - it will defenatly pay off in the long run!

Macet01
08-06-2003, 01:38 PM
I am currently running on an 18in Sony flat panel with the resolution set to 1280x1024 with no problems what so ever. I wasn't aware that there was a max resolution for Lightwave. Where can I find that?

Karl Hansson
08-06-2003, 01:44 PM
<<<Where can I find that?>>>

Its a minimum resolution. It say so on the LW box.

lunarcamel
08-06-2003, 01:56 PM
I use LW on a duel setup.

One 19" CRT at 1600x1200 and a 17" Dell Ultrasharp 1702 LCD at 1280x1024. The LCD had the digital hookup option plus standard analog and works great. Well worth the money in my opinion.

takkun
08-06-2003, 02:14 PM
I use the same LCD monitor as lunarcamel, a Dell 1702, here's a cnet review about it: http://reviews.cnet.com/Dell_UltraSharp_1702FP/4505-3174_7-9878052.html?tag=pdtl-list

Works well for me, the only problem is that solid black takes longer to refresh then other colors, for instance when you rotate the view in Lightwave, the black grid lines creates a trail effect. Although, when I watch a black and white DVD on the monitor it doesn't have any problem.:confused:

Samsung also makes really great LCD's, some things to look for is contrast ratio (CRT's are 400:1 to 600:1, so try to find a LCD with at least 350:1, the higher the better) and brightness (250 nits or higher) also remember, an LCD only looks good at it's "optimized" resolution, any other resolution will make everything on screen slightly blurry. Also refresh rates don't make any diffference on LCD's since by their nature they are already flicker-free.

Karl Hansson
08-06-2003, 02:20 PM
My worry is that every thing on screen will look very tiny 17inch at 1280x1024 especially LW.

DaveW
08-06-2003, 02:33 PM
At home I use a 17 inch LCD at 1280x1024. LW looks fine on it, not too tiny at all. It's actually not much different than a 19inch CRT at 1280x1024.

lunarcamel
08-06-2003, 02:55 PM
Another thing to remember is that LCD's don't produce color accurately.

If you plan on doing a lot of 3D work I think an LCD screen should mainly be used as a second monitor for modeler or extra windows that need to be kept open.

My Dell Ultrasharp has zero problems running off an old GeForce TI4600. I read the same cnet review and thought I'd try it out - I'm glad I did.

robinson
08-06-2003, 02:59 PM
Hey Karl if you are a student (or know a student;)) check out your local IBM dealer, they got student discount over here in Germany, maybe in Sweden too.
I got a IBM 18.1" TFT Monitor for 599 €, instead of 1450 €.

:D

Karl Hansson
08-06-2003, 03:18 PM
Actually I'm starting school this september. A three-year Computer Animation and Visualisation course at Bournemouth University in England. I'm going to buy a new system when I get over there. I've been looking at a Dell Precision 360 system. And I like to buy a good screen for it. I'm leaning towards a Dell 19" CRT although a flat screen would save some of my precious space in my student room. Buy the way do anyone know if Dell offer any student discounts?

Earl
08-06-2003, 03:30 PM
Can anyone explain why LCD's are obsessed with 1280x1024? Is anyone else as bothered by this distorted, non 4:3 ratio as me? My laptop outputs at 1600x1200, but to make the screen viewable, I usually run at 1280x1024 (it doesn't give me the option of 1280x960) - but again, it's DISTORTED! I can't stand how a true circle looks oblong, and how a true square looks 'rectangular.'

I just don't see how anyone in any graphics field can use a 4:3.2 resolution ratio on a 4:3 screen... and I'd love to understand why everyone uses it...

My only guess is that the makers of laptops are all alien spies, who's eyes uses a lense which corrects this distortion...

takkun
08-06-2003, 03:31 PM
Another thing to remember is that LCD's don't produce color accurately. New high-quality LCD's have very good color accuracy but definitely not as good as a high-quality CRT. But if you only want to work with LCD's like me then have a NTSC or PAL or HDTV monitor connected to the computer, that way you can preview how it looks in your output medium's color space (this is assuming that you will be outputing to video). I actually don't have this setup on my lightwave computer at home but that's how we have it setup at work for our NLE workstation.

takkun
08-06-2003, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by Earl
Can anyone explain why LCD's are obsessed with 1280x1024? Is anyone else as bothered by this distorted, non 4:3 ratio as me? My laptop outputs at 1600x1200, but to make the screen viewable, I usually run at 1280x1024 (it doesn't give me the option of 1280x960) - but again, it's DISTORTED! I can't stand how a true circle looks oblong, and how a true square looks 'rectangular.'

I just don't see how anyone in any graphics field can use a 4:3.2 resolution ratio on a 4:3 screen... and I'd love to understand why everyone uses it...

My only guess is that the makers of laptops are all alien spies, who's eyes uses a lense which corrects this distortion... My Dell 1702 is not distorted and it is optimized to run at 1280x1024, that's because the actual screen dimensions are different (it's ratio is 5:4), so 1280x1024 isn't distorted but all other 4:3 resolutions are.

Think of it this way, a 1280x1024 monitor is a bit longer then a standard monitor.

phrick
08-06-2003, 03:40 PM
Swedish mode: ON

Hej Karl...

Jag har två skärmar, en Samsung 19" CRT och en Dell 17" TFT. Storleksmässigt är bildytorna ganska så lika. En 17" TFT är perfekt för att köra 1280x1024 (åtminstone den som jag har). Färgåtergivningen är väl kanske inte helt 100, men det spelar mindre roll om du inte är så kräsen. Om jag måste välja en av mina skärmar så behåller jag helst min TFT...

Swedish mode: OFF

Zafar Iqbal
08-06-2003, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by Earl
[B]Can anyone explain why LCD's are obsessed with 1280x1024? Is anyone else as bothered by this distorted, non 4:3 ratio as me?

Yes, absolutely!

The only reason why i dont have a flatscreen right now is because of that non-4:3 resolution.

But i just realized something - the resolution aspect actually matches the screen aspect! Weeeeee!!

I must point out that i have endeed seen flatscreen monitors running with a distorted resolution. It was a long time ago and i didnt notice if it was running with the optimal resolution or not.

Earl
08-06-2003, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by takkun
Think of it this way, a 1280x1024 monitor is a bit longer then a standard monitor.

That's just it, though, they're NOT longer. If you create a perfect circle in Illustrator or Draw, or whatever, then pull out a ruler and measure it, it WILL be oblong.

There might be a few that actually are physically longer - but all the LCD's I've seen from Dell (including my precision laptop) are 4:3.

And even IF some LCD's actually were longer (which I still doubt any exist), that means that if you run in 1600x1200 you're getting a distorted picture.

1280x1024 just doesn't make sense! Why does it exist? Ugh...

takkun
08-07-2003, 12:11 AM
Nope, no distortion when drawing a circle here but if I switched it to 1024x768, or 800x600 then yes, it would be distorted. My LCD definitely has a 5:4 shape, I've measured it and compared it to 4:3 LCD's of the same size.

LCD's have an optimized resolution, that means they only look good at that resolution, any other resolution is blurry (this is because LCD's have a set grid of crystals that are specifically aligned for a certain resolution, while a CRT has beams being fired on a tube and can adapt to any resolution that it supports, the downside is that the image is usually distorted on the edges and corners). LCD's that have an optimized resolution of 1280x1024 have a 5:4 aspect ratio and to avoid distortion the physical shape of the monitor is 5:4 instead of the usual 4:3.

Your laptop's optimized resolution is 1600x1200, that means that the physical shape of your display is 4:3, this is why 1280x1024 is distorted on your display. And if you do run across a 1280x1024 optimized LCD that has a 4:3 physical shape, return it immediately and get your money back!

riki
08-07-2003, 12:53 AM
I shelled out for a 21 inch flat screen. It's a lot of cash and they don't last that long. Maybe 3 years max.

3DEagle
08-07-2003, 05:29 AM
riki,

According to what I've heard the TFT monitors will acctually last longer than CRT. At the same time they will not loose colors or sharpness over the years which is common for CRT monitors.

So...hopefully you will be pleased with your bad ***** TFT for a long time to come.

Tjena Karl,

My advise would be to save some money on the computer and get a really good monitor....since you are most likely going to spend lots and lots of time in front of it. Myself I have a 19' Samsung 191T and I love it. (the 181T might be a even better choise since the pixels will not be that obivous when reading text (?) and you will not loose that much screen estate either).

Enjoy Sunshine in Life / Lycka till med studierna

Ole

Earl
08-07-2003, 10:47 AM
Thanks Takkun, that helps to know that. I'll keep a sharper eye out for the one's optimized for 1280x1024.

By the way, at home I use one of those true flat CRTs, and it's great - the best monitor I've ever had by far. It's lasted a while now, and the color accuracy and vibrance is unmatched to any moniter that I've seen.

However...it's HEAVY! Only 19", but the thing is a beast. I've vowed to buy an LCD next.... if I can only find one I like. :)

Karl Hansson
08-07-2003, 11:00 PM
Thanks for the insight guys.
Tack phrik och 3DEagle:)

I think I will wait to decide when I know how much space I have in my student room.

Jockomo
08-08-2003, 12:33 AM
Originally posted by takkun


LCD's have an optimized resolution, that means they only look good at that resolution, any other resolution is blurry


Does this apply to the "Recommended" Frequency?
If it says the recommended resolution is: [email protected]
But the monitor is capable of running at [email protected], will increasing the frequency adversly affect the picture quality?

NEC makes some nice LCD monitors with a pretty thin black edge ( good for putting 2 monitors next to each other, which is what i will be doing).
Anyone know about the quality of NEC monitors?

riki
08-08-2003, 12:45 AM
Yeah I paid AUS$3000 for mine and then last year it died and I had to send it off to be repaired (another $750). I love flatscreen though. But it's huge. If anyone breaks into my house I know that they wont get far if they decide to take the monitor :)

3DEagle
08-08-2003, 07:41 AM
Jockomo,

The frequency setting is not really important for TFT monitors compared to CRT where it makes a really big difference.

I see nada difference when switching between 60 and 75 on my Samsung 191T. At the same time I believe the monitor will be much more happy and long lived if you leave it at the default 60HZ...red something about that in the manual...or somehere else?

Enjoy Sunshine in Life

Ole