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Stel
08-03-2008, 05:45 PM
Is there a thread here somewhere which compares C4D to LW? I am looking to upgrade my 3D app and am sitting between the two.

My primary area of interest is image rendering, no interest in CA.

I hear that C4D has a weak renderer but also see that some are using Vray, which implies that C4D supports external renderers.

Thanks.

Giacomo99
08-03-2008, 07:09 PM
After much thought, I'd like to render my measured assessment:

U R stupid d00d! LW roxors and C4D is TEH SUCK!

Sorry, couldn't resist. ;)

cresshead
08-03-2008, 10:55 PM
best way to compare is really to try out both of the demo versions and see how they work 'for you' and the projects you have for them.

G M D THREE
08-04-2008, 12:08 AM
C4d is quite popular in Europe, mostly cause its a german based company that makes it. And believe it or not it is only so big there cause it has a german manual!

As for C4D vs LW, sorry but C4D is not even in the same league as LW, last time I checked LW was still woopin C4D german but in quality, film credits and in price tag.

So unless you only can read german or french go with LW dude.

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JohnMarchant
08-04-2008, 12:16 AM
Dont hear so much from maxon (makers of c4d) anymore, a couple of years ago they seemed to be everywhere and alot of marketing but that has quitened down now. Its very capable and has somethings that i wish lightwave had but i would still go with lightwave

Limbus
08-04-2008, 01:57 AM
C4D supports 3rd party renderer like Vray, finalRender, Maxwell and Fry. Lightwave supports 3rd party renderer like Kray, Fprime, Maxwell and Fry. The LW renderengine is much better than the standrad C4D engine or even the advanced renderer.
But it would be best to try them out and decide which workflow is for you.


http://www.maxon.net/pages/dyn_files/dyn_htx/htx/2391/02391_02391.html

http://www.maxon.net/pages/dyn_files/dyn_htx/htx/sol_movie_e.html


Hehe, integratin BodyPaint into C4D was a smart marketing move by Maxon. Now they can say that C4D was used on many movies even if only BP was used ;-)

Cheers, Florian

Darth Mole
08-04-2008, 02:01 AM
Let me put it this way: I had both. Now I only have LightWave.

JohnMarchant
08-04-2008, 02:06 AM
Good point florian, was a very good move on thier part but i still see less and les about c4d than i used to, shame really it was/is a very capable tool, is it still popular in germany compared to other 3d software

G M D THREE
08-04-2008, 02:10 AM
http://www.maxon.net/pages/dyn_files/dyn_htx/htx/2391/02391_02391.html

http://www.maxon.net/pages/dyn_files/dyn_htx/htx/sol_movie_e.html

... every application have strong points, Lightwave have it, cinema4d have it, maya have it, houdini, xsi and so on.. it is only the artist to decide how he want deliver the pictures ;-)

True that, in the hand of a gifted artist apps like poser and iMovie are killer apps. lol

I am the last guy the phrase the brush over the painter trust me.

But lets stick to topic.

So my dear german friend Pagnozzi, the links of film credits you just posted are mostly of C4D's side kick app Body Paint. That indeed is a awesome 3D texture panit app even on its own.

fact remains :http://www.newtek.com/lightwave/projects/

C4D price tags:
http://www.maxonshop.com/us/ps/code=C4DSB-M-10&act=gpage

LW price tag:
http://www.sharbor.com/products/NTKN0300117.html


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G M D THREE
08-04-2008, 02:24 AM
... first I am not german,
...and second bodypaint is integrated with cinema4D... stuff like sas, hypervoxels screamernet and so on was also integrated in Lightwave.

hey your location says Berlin, my bad for calling you german.

... body paint still sells as a stand alone app for as much as LW alone.

Can someone here picture hypervoxels selling as a stand alone app for 900 bucks? hehe

Sorry could not resist.

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G M D THREE
08-04-2008, 03:14 AM
My primary area of interest is image rendering, no interest in CA.


... some print work my studio has done in the past using LW:
http://www.gmdthree.com/cg_for_print

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Stel
08-04-2008, 08:29 AM
Thanks Guys - I am using Carrara and have been for quite a while and although its renders are OK, I am looking for something much better and more capable.

I have seen many nice renders of characters in C4D which drove my question.

Also thanks for the detail on LW external renderers. I also have been looking at some threads about integrating indigo.

Looks like for me LW is a better choice and has room to grow.

I think before I buy it, I will wait to hear about 9.5 after siggraph.

adamredwoods
08-04-2008, 12:03 PM
Cinema4D has a nice interface and is widely used with After Effects in the motion graphics industry. Check Creative Cow for the Cinema4D forums.

I like Cinema4D and Lightwave because of their interfaces, but all major 3D apps are capable of doing what you want.

bta1701
08-04-2008, 07:58 PM
I was recently able to get C4D Studio for a steep discount - otherwise at $3500 US I'd never have been able to afford it - but I am blown away at what it can do and with it's incredibly well thought out and organized UI. It's renderer is not as good as LW's, particularly with motion blur and depth of field, but it's pretty close (with the Advanced Render module), especially if you're doing stills.

It's integration with After Effects is simply amazing, and it reads LW files pretty well, too. The latest version (10.5) has definitely brought C4D into the big leagues. All the LW snobs can turn up their noses all they like, but C4D doesn't suck. If you can afford it.

That said, I still like LW a great deal. It's still my "get work done" app, but I'd gone so long with just LW I had no idea what other apps could do. C4D is something of an eye-opener. C4D's consistent User Interface makes learning it very easy and it does just about everything. Some of the character rigs in C4D are quite amazing, with integrated cloth and soft body dynamics. But, you indicated you're not into CA, so that might not interest you as much.

If it weren't for Maestro, I'd probably go full tilt into C4D... but Maestro makes LW animation pretty darn painless.

In summary, I'd say both have their advantages and disadvantages. I tilt toward LW based on price/performance, but if you can luck into a special deal on C4D Studio, you probably wouldn't be disappointed.

bart

Darth Mole
08-05-2008, 04:15 AM
C4D is a certainly a powerful app, but I challenge you to a speed modelling competition. I bet I can build a complicated model way faster in LW than you can in C4D. And then texture it, light it and render it faster too.

Cageman
08-05-2008, 02:24 PM
Hmm...

Since you were talking about focus on Rendering, I have to say you should hold off ANY purchase untill you can get a trial version of LW9.5. Some major changes that affects rendering (in a good way) has been done (GI updates, new Light API with new Lighttypes and more).