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starbase1
06-02-2008, 08:49 AM
Microsoft had previously announced that XP would be extended in availability, but only for subnotebooks like the 'eee'. I noticed at the time that XP based eee's were announced that this meant Asus were announcing XP availability after the supposed cut off.

Well, that extension was meant to be rigorously confined to those tiny laptop machines, in particular the tiny screen, to avoid affecting sales of MS Fester, oops, Vista.

And yet I now notice that the desktop eee is also going to be available with XP!

http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/final-specifications-revealed-for-asus-eee-box-b202/

And it does not even launch till July...

Sounds to me very much like XP availability will not be confined to small screens, and will not be coming at the end of June, or any time soon after that.

Nick

Titus
06-02-2008, 08:54 AM
I ensembled a new PC last week and the this particular OEM doesn't sell XP anymore.

mattclary
06-02-2008, 10:18 AM
I saw an E-Machine in Wal-Mart with XP Home just two days ago. As long as it is available, that is what I will be putting on my customer's machines.

starbase1
06-02-2008, 11:58 AM
It's this death by degrees that gets me - it's abundantly clear that Vista is completely unworkable on lower end machines, (even by Microsoft's pathetic 'Vista capable' standard), so MS have the choice of abandoning a market sector, or keeping XP.

Of course XP will be around.

Nick

starbase1
06-03-2008, 04:42 PM
And what do you know, here we go!

http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/Microsoft_Vows_to_Keep_Windows_XP_Alive_for__Netto ps_

XP to be kept on for low end desktops too.

So how big is the gap between low end and vista capable? I mean REALLY vista capable, not $2100 email machines!

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/12/microsoft-vp-i-personally-got-burnt-by-vista-capable-stickers/

Nick

starbase1
06-04-2008, 12:46 AM
My 4 year old Athlon64 3200+ with 2Gb RAM and an nVidia 7800GS card runs Vista very smoothly. As I've said before, it's mostly up to the drivers in my experience. Even the most beefy processor with 8 Gb RAM and a super video card will run like crap if the motherboard is badly supported.

If my 4 year old PC can run Vista with no problems at all, it's apparent that the problem lies elsewhere. Particularly with craptastic, overpriced laptops. There's obviously spent little time on the quality side these "$2100 email machines".

I don't think it has anything to do purely with hardware performance. Not on anything but those new Asus EEE type toy computers, which you can hardly expect to run a modern OS.


Yes, but is there a gap between systems similar to your Athlon based system and the eee level boxes, where Vista is not workable and XP won't be available?

starbase1
06-04-2008, 05:51 AM
Fair enough, though I think you may be underestimating the demand for low end PC's.

I do find it interesting though - I previously remarked in these forums that there was no way Microsoft would cut off XP for Asus laptops, despite the way they were saying at that point they definitely would.

Then we get an announcement that it will now be continued, but strictly only for very low power machines with very small screens, i.e. eee clones.

Then we see a similar announcement from Asus about low end desktops, and what do you know, a few days later, MS reverse their position on maxiumum screen sizes, and yes, XP will be available for that too.

It does seem to me that:

1. Microsoft desperately want to cut off XP, and keep saying they will.

2. In practice they will never do so, if it leaves any kind of an opening for Linux.

3. To the point where they would rather sell XP at a teeny tiny fraction of it's normal retail price than get rid of it.

I'm also getting very suspicious looking at the new eee variants from Asus, I really notice that there seems to be no case where you can choose identical hardware with either XP or Linux. Which does not make a lot of sense unless you assume that MS are preventing anything which would make a direct price comparison of operating systems possible.

They also seem to be in something of a bind with Windows 7, playing it up while trying to avoid big business customers deciding to wait for it.

And for what it's worth, I think that Win 7 has every chance of being something rather special - Server 2008 had a lot going for it, and if they can learn from what they got wrong, and build on Server 2008, there's every chance it could be XP-2! I really like what I am hearing about them trying to reduce the hardware requirements, something which I don't think they have ever managed before, in any release of any product. (Unless you count Server 2008 as an update on Vista).

In the meantime, I reserve the right to treat every statement about the future of the Windows product line from MS as BS.

Nick

mattclary
06-04-2008, 10:21 AM
A related article over at Ars. In a nutshell, MS totally missed the target on where the market is headed.



http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080603-microsoft-forced-to-offer-xp-for-ulcpcs-vista-shafted-again.html

creativecontrol
06-04-2008, 11:49 AM
I just bought XP on a high end quad core yesterday, no problem. Just ask and you should get it.

I do like vista better overall but have one essential program (avid editor) that does not support it yet.

m4a2000
06-04-2008, 01:19 PM
Personally if I go to a 64 bit system I'm going to get XP 64-bit. It's on the same track as 2003 so it should be around for a while.

MooseDog
06-04-2008, 02:09 PM
A related article over at Ars. In a nutshell, MS totally missed the target on where the market is headed.



http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080603-microsoft-forced-to-offer-xp-for-ulcpcs-vista-shafted-again.html

and similarly:

http://blogs.computerworld.com/xp_lives_sort_of

starbase1
06-05-2008, 06:56 AM
Or take a look at this from Engadget:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9960210-7.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1040_3-0-10

Acer saying that Microsoft is why they are moving to Linux!

I wonder if MS realise they have a problem, or they actually really think that everyone is being nasty about them and their products for no good reason?

Riff_Masteroff
06-08-2008, 08:07 PM
As a result of reading this thread, I checked Newegg for XP64. Not listed, but XP32 (Pro) is.

Oh my, this is very sad. XP64 is simply the best OS I personally have encountered. I may not be able to continue to do adequate 3d work without it.

Sadly
Riff Masteroff

mattclary
06-09-2008, 06:56 AM
As a result of reading this thread, I checked Newegg for XP64. Not listed, but XP32 (Pro) is.

Oh my, this is very sad. XP64 is simply the best OS I personally have encountered. I may not be able to continue to do adequate 3d work without it.

Sadly
Riff Masteroff

Here you go...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116378

And if you have a copy, why look for another?

Riff_Masteroff
06-09-2008, 09:34 PM
Hmmm, there is hope for the future after all. Tnx for the URL Matt Clary

starbase1
06-10-2008, 02:45 AM
Hmmm, there is hope for the future after all. Tnx for the URL Matt Clary

And hot off the presses today:
http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/06/09/dell-to-sell-windows-xp-professional-with-pcs-through-2009

Dell will be selling XP pro right through 2009, and probably longer!

Which sounds like right up to the target date for Win7. (Which is not to say that MS will not continue it's track record of delivering years late with missing features).

Interesting too that MS seems to have lost it's stranglehold on the big hardware manufacturers. I'm thinking of the way they owed to pressure on the Vi$ta stickers, and that Dell started providing pre-installed Ubuntu.

Sande
06-10-2008, 05:30 AM
Just last week I noticed that a couple big IT-vendors here advertised their systems with "Free downgrade to XP" - selling point which probably doesn't make Microsoft particularily happy...

starbase1
06-10-2008, 06:33 AM
Just last week I noticed that a couple big IT-vendors here advertised their systems with "Free downgrade to XP" - selling point which probably doesn't make Microsoft particularily happy...

It really is getting close to the old joke:

Exciting new computer competition, first prize a copy of MS Vista! Second prize 2 copies of MS Vista!

cresshead
06-10-2008, 07:15 AM
vista is okay but it's more like 'all show and no go' on many systems...i have 1 xp pc and 2 vista pc's at home

in particular xp really show's it's speed when you install it on ultra portables lile the hp mini note when compared to vista..and this is with 2 gig ram...vista is almost unusable whereas xp works well....same pc...memory etc.

in fact xp compares well to linux in these systems except xp has waaay more apps to run as well.

vashts
06-10-2008, 08:42 AM
I'm assembling a new PC now, and I fortunally found an OEM XP x64 Edition copy in a webshop (italian).
No Vista for now..

vashts