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Jim_C
05-09-2008, 09:08 PM
http://jalopnik.com/374535/jay-leno-on-top-gear-america-i-hope-we-dont-ruin-it


sometimes us dumb amuricans just can't leave well enough alone....

RedBull
05-10-2008, 03:42 AM
He's totally correct..... Oh no another American version of a British show! :(
I look forward to watching it, but the same arguments were bought up when the Australian SBS channel, mentioned they were making an Aussie version of Top Gear.

1)Trying to find a cast that has the fun, and charisma of the Hampster, James and Jeremy when combined will fail miserably.

2) Advertising, In a country that has TV shows made by car companies fire the voice actor of Knight Rider, because he had once done a Chevy truck voice over, how the Amercian media think they can be impartial, is really quite funny. Especially on a commercial netowork. Expect a bunch of reviews saying "It's great" even when it's not!

At least It's another car show, and not oh yet another crapaility TV show on hairdressers or fashion designers, or yet another crap predictable girly teenage drama. I do think Jay would make a good host of a similar themed car show...

KillMe
05-10-2008, 05:09 AM
as any top gear fan knows - american cars generally suck - cant imagine it will work

Steamthrower
05-10-2008, 06:02 AM
I love Top Gear; but only about 0.03% of Americans even know what it is. Top Gear America will just have a couple idiotic guys making lame jokes that don't even offend anybody.

Phil
05-10-2008, 06:13 AM
Hmpf. That site (and many like it based on the look) doesn't render correctly in Safari. Hopefully, Top Gear USA will be better put together.

cresshead
05-10-2008, 06:37 AM
top gear [uk] is an entertainment show that's based around cars...it's not really a 'car show' with proper reviews on what potential customers would be looking for when trying to decide on their next car purchase...i've never owned a car yet find top gear to be a great program...if the usa version ACTUALLY reviews cars it'll fall flat on it's face!

cresshead
05-10-2008, 06:38 AM
Hmpf. That site (and many like it based on the look) doesn't render correctly in Safari. Hopefully, Top Gear USA will be better put together.

use firefox then!:D

cresshead
05-10-2008, 06:40 AM
I love Top Gear; but only about 0.03% of Americans even know what it is. Top Gear America will just have a couple idiotic guys making lame jokes that don't even offend anybody.

98% of americans think 'europe' is a country and it's capital is london:D

JohnMarchant
05-10-2008, 07:36 AM
Hey common guys less america bashing. I know they cant make cars for s**t. I cant understand why they cant leave well alone, like has been said its not really a car show that you would make a purchasing decision on, its nuts,loaded,GQ all the other lads mags turned into a program with cars as a theme not a goal.

Its just big business trying to get in on the act, they have tried before and failed, well except the us version of the office which i hear is not to bad.

I wouldnt mind but we speak the same language supposedly, well roughly :):). Come up with your own program if you want a serious program about cars, but leave our not to serious program about cars alone :):).

Its funny actually the amount of car manufacturers who actually do take what clarkson and co say to heart, lighten up guys.

Regards, John

Matt
05-10-2008, 07:45 AM
Oh dear, just followed those links to that clip, the bloke in it is even trying to speak like Clarkson! Truly awful!

JohnMarchant
05-10-2008, 08:53 AM
I hope they dont call it top gear in the usa, with the crappy speed limits on thier roads id call it third gear :):)

Regards, John

Steamthrower
05-10-2008, 09:17 AM
Hmm, definitely looks like we have another halfway entertaining edutainment program on our hands. People just can't help ruining good things.

Jim_C
05-10-2008, 09:39 AM
reasons it will suck:

-Sponsors
-No Mays, Hamster or Clarkson
-Comparitively paltry budget
-US roads suck
-US cars suck (at least the ones they want for a program like that)
-Amuricuns wouldn't understand the visceral experience that is Top Gear(we think the snoozefest 'MotorWeek' is good car TV)
-Current Top Gear is surrounded by wonderful auto making countries making delivery of concept/prototype/new models as easy as an afternoon drive. (America has Canada and Mexico.)
-With gas prices rising EnviroFreaks will target 'Top Gear' as a new cause of the Spotted Owl dying.
-Political Correctness
-Commercials
-And as much as I enjoy his Man Show style whiney guy humor......Adam Carolla

Jim_C
05-10-2008, 09:41 AM
98% of americans think 'europe' is a country and it's capital is london:D

Shows what I know,
I thought it was Paris....

Jim_C
05-10-2008, 10:20 AM
Some classics...

motorhome racing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gourYCpaJLU

attempt to kill a toyota
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrk6vsb77xk part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Uc4Ksz3nHM part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfZDtC9kjVk part 3

New car, caviar, four star daydream, Think Ill buy me a football team.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OogA-blYag

Top Gear Space Shuttle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwIhEDq6tdY

KillMe
05-10-2008, 10:35 AM
-Political Correctness


thats a dirty word on top gear

Matt
05-10-2008, 11:58 AM
Some classics...

This was not actually on the show, but a behind the scenes thing on Geri Halliwell's (not I never saw it!)

But this made me laugh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Bxv4dvNwwM

Girl Power? My arse! :D

Oedo 808
05-10-2008, 12:19 PM
Top Gear + America = Winnebago lawsuit! :D

Titus
05-10-2008, 12:25 PM
reasons it will suck:
(America has Canada and Mexico.)

Hey! oooh, well :tongue:.

COBRASoft
05-10-2008, 01:20 PM
Here in Belgium we can also watch Top Gear. IT'S GREAT! Only the english are able to do this so good and give a real, honest and unpartial meaning about cars. The second ones would be the germans in my opinion (but it would be too technical).

And for the Americans... I think they know Brussels aswell as London nowadays, but they know nothing about cars compared to western europe. Look at all the biggest names in the industry: Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Mercedes, BMW, Rolls Royce, Volkswagen, Renault, Peugeot, Opel, Fiat, Maserati, Jaguar, ... (sorry for all the ones I'm forgetting guys).

prospector
05-10-2008, 03:11 PM
thats a dirty word on top gear
Which is why it won't work here.
And we don't have the Stig

Jim_C
05-10-2008, 04:01 PM
And we don't have the Stig


Sure we do... ;) but he only eats cheese

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQW4JEbzEr4
(Start at 7:42)

http://www.topgear.com/content/news/stories/1608/

pumeco
05-10-2008, 04:10 PM
If the American version has a presenter anything like Clarkson, I think you're gonna be in for a few explosions. It might be wise to keep your mobile homes and caravans well out of sight for the duration of shooting.

I've seen them do stuff to caravans that'll blow the crap from your PortaPotty. I've seen 'em blown to bits, and they've even been known to catapult cars onto them just for target practice (but funny enough you'll be surprised how many times they missed that BIG target).

Personally, I don't like Top Gear very much. I blame them for single handedly bringing Rover to it's knees. They were excellent cars (I should know, I've had six), but because of Top Gears stupid 'Cool Wall' mentality...

...the rest doesn't bear thinking about :rolleyes:

Steamthrower
05-10-2008, 04:34 PM
It might be wise to keep your mobile homes and caravans well out of sight for the duration of shooting.

Racing RVs around tracks and forgetting about the "no-contact" rule won't help. :D

Although the American versions will have big splash screens previous to every episode declaring "Some material is not suitable for all audiences" and the presenter will say something like "we are doing this in an enclosed course supervised by qualified professionals and we have emergency personnel available at all times", plus there will be product placements all through it (they'll try to smash a Chevy pickup with a bulldozer and conclude, "sorry, it's a rock") and there will be so many commercials you can't tell the Suzuki ads apart from the actual show.

Jim_C
05-10-2008, 04:50 PM
reasons it will suck:
(America has Canada and Mexico.)


Hey! oooh, well :tongue:.


Well.. I guess they could test drive the electric ZENN from Feel Good Cars (http://www.feelgoodcars.com/index.html)(how can you go wrong with a name like that?). They're a Canadian company. It doesn't seem quite like Top Gear style tho...

As a matter of fact it is sooo opposite Top Gear, it might actually make the perfect test subject for them.

:)

Titus
05-10-2008, 05:05 PM
We will start producing the very low cost Chinese cars FAW (http://www.autos.com.mx/PresetacionNoticias/tabid/69/ArticleID/1084/CBModuleId/469/language/es-MX/Default.aspxhttp://www.autos.com.mx/PresetacionNoticias/tabid/69/ArticleID/1084/CBModuleId/469/language/es-MX/Default.aspx) (prohibited in Europe). And we had a local company called VAM in the 80's when some president decided to rescue AMC, remember the Gremlin?

COBRASoft
05-10-2008, 05:38 PM
I'm so happy I live in europe sometimes... The tv in america must be a real disaster with all their commercials every 5 minutes.

Captain Obvious
05-10-2008, 05:40 PM
What's so great about Top Gear, anyhow? I've never really been much of a fan, to be honest.

Jim_C
05-10-2008, 06:51 PM
What's so great about Top Gear, anyhow? I've never really been much of a fan, to be honest.

awesome cars
beautiful cinematography
smarmy writing
sandbox destruction
boyhood style mischief
host chemistry
honest opinions
the stig

Chilton
05-10-2008, 07:17 PM
Bedford Drifting is one of my favs...

(esp. the A-Team van)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K72MvWhMDZM&feature=related

Jarno
05-10-2008, 11:48 PM
Bedford Drifting is one of my favs...

:twak: :twak: :twak:

That's for mentioning that other program in a Top Gear thread. Bad Chilton!

---JvdL---

Matt
05-11-2008, 05:14 AM
commercials every 5 minutes.

I noticed that too when I went there, really annoying, having said that, cable over here is just as bad, 15 mins of programs 20 of adverts!!! And almost everything is a repeat too!

Matt
05-11-2008, 05:15 AM
beautiful cinematography

Actually, they do that VERY well, I love the way they shoot and frame the cars, and the filters they put over the top, really cool!

tribbles
05-11-2008, 06:56 AM
:twak: :twak: :twak:

That's for mentioning that other program in a Top Gear thread. Bad Chilton!

---JvdL---

Absolutely.

Fifth Gear != Top Gear

ETA: In fact,

Fifth Gear = Top Gear >> 8;

Qexit
05-11-2008, 08:31 AM
If the American version has a presenter anything like Clarkson, I think you're gonna be in for a few explosions. It might be wise to keep your mobile homes and caravans well out of sight for the duration of shooting.

I've seen them do stuff to caravans that'll blow the crap from your PortaPotty. I've seen 'em blown to bits, and they've even been known to catapult cars onto them just for target practice (but funny enough you'll be surprised how many times they missed that BIG target).Top Gear has never done too much damage to caravans. Are you sure you're not thinking of that awful programme 'Brainiac:Science Abuse' ?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0442633/

Richard Hammond did host it for the first three series which is where the confusion might come in. They blew up at least one caravan every week and were very big on blowing things up in general. In fact, if I remember rightly, the main attraction(s) of the programme were the team of girls who decided which explosive they were going to use each week and Rachel Grant in her role as Professor Myang Li....and even they got a bit 'tired' after two or three weeks :D

Oedo 808
05-11-2008, 09:10 AM
Top Gear has never done too much damage to caravans. Are you sure you're not thinking of that awful programme 'Brainiac:Science Abuse' ?

I'm sure they've done a few, hence my previous comment, though I was more thinking about the things Clarkson says about the people who use them rather than anything the show does to them.

Here's one I remember of the top off my head:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvo0M8lw-9k

But I'm sure there were more.

Incidentally, I'm not sure about caravans, but I think mobile homes are great! :thumbsup:

pumeco
05-11-2008, 01:16 PM
@Qexit

It was definately Top Gear I was thinking of but yup, I know what you mean 'bout Brainiac, they're not too keen on caravans either :D
I was just looking on youtube for the one where they where using real cars as bullets to fire at caravans, but no luck.

@Oedo 808

lol - yeah another great example, though I'd not actually seen that one before.

Here's a good one, using real cars converted to radio control, and used in races etc. Naturally, a few more caravans are in trouble, but that's only to be expected. Also, if there are any females on this forum they'll be pleased to see that women 'can' drive and beat the guys with this one.


It's a bit boring at the start, but it get's better : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKbkHur-S2g

Steamthrower
05-11-2008, 04:46 PM
I noticed that too when I went there, really annoying, having said that, cable over here is just as bad, 15 mins of programs 20 of adverts!!! And almost everything is a repeat too!

We have so many commercials over here because the networks aren't government owned. The European TV I've seen (German especially) is normally state owned and advertsing isn't their main revenue stream; taxes are. Cable TV over there is private as well, if I'm not mistaken, hence the increase in ads.

PBS, (one of) our government channel, doesn't have many ads either. Not worth watching anyway, though.

sean hargreaves
05-11-2008, 05:02 PM
Thats why soccer will never be big in the States because networks can't wait for 45 minutes to hit us with commercials.....so they won't show soccer. :thumbsdow

Qexit
05-11-2008, 05:11 PM
Thats why soccer will never be big in the States because networks can't wait for 45 minutes to hit us with commercials.....so they won't show soccer. :thumbsdowHehe, I remember when the World Cup was held in the US a few years back and the TV companies over there tried to persuade FIFA that changing the format to four 22.5 minutes quarters would be an essential requirement. They didn't get very far with that approach :D

:hijack:
BTW, on a Top Gear related topic...the best motoring news I've heard here in the UK this year was the recent announcement that Formula 1 racing coverage is returning to the BBC next year after 12 years on ITV. The main significance of this being that in 2009 I'll be able to watch all the Grand Prix all the way through without fear of missing any of the action due to a commercial break :thumbsup::dance:

BloodQuest
05-11-2008, 05:14 PM
I know they cant make cars for s**t.


Not that the UK has the most stellar reputation in that department...

Simon

Oedo 808
05-11-2008, 05:48 PM
The main significance of this being that in 2009 I'll be able to watch all the Grand Prix all the way through without fear of missing any of the action due to a commercial break :thumbsup::dance:

Amen to that, just please please please keep that bloody Hazel Irvine away from it, she seems to have penetrated every other damn sport. Probably because every other BBC exec has penetrated her. :tongue:


Not that the UK has the most stellar reputation in that department...

Really?

KillMe
05-11-2008, 06:48 PM
Not that the UK has the most stellar reputation in that department...

Simon

lotus and aston martin - not a bad start

jcupp
05-11-2008, 07:02 PM
98% of americans think 'europe' is a country and it's capital is london:D

Yeah, everyone knows the capital is Brussels. :tongue:

Steamthrower
05-11-2008, 08:14 PM
Actually the REAL capital is Strasbourg, and I'm being serious too.

RedBull
05-12-2008, 12:13 AM
:twak: :twak: :twak:

That's for mentioning that other program in a Top Gear thread. Bad Chilton!

---JvdL---

LOL, Yeah Fifth Gear isn't in the same league, but yeah the presenters of fifth gear used to be on Top Gear before the current lot, so perhaps that's where it's confusing.

From Captain Slow @ 407Kmh in a Veyron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXNR9_zhWY8

Ski Jump a Mini..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tr8_4AXGs8

We have lift-off, with a mini!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b4WzWFKQ20

But you tube doesn't do the whole episodes justice.
The good news is it's only a month until the new season starts......

pumeco
05-12-2008, 03:10 AM
Not that the UK has the most stellar reputation in that department...

Simon

Nah, we just build the best cars with the accompanying best names and then flog them to America and Germany with all the hard work already done for them :D

JohnMarchant
05-12-2008, 03:23 AM
well bloodquest i have to reply to that. Just because you own a company does not mean you built the cars. Land Rover,Jaguar,Aston Martin,Lotus,Caterham,Morgan,Blenhiem,Nobel,and until recently TVR, etc. Not to mention alot of formula 1 cars,indie cars,some nascars.

We build many cars for a veriety of different things but mostly specialist. We dont have a major cars maker anymore but that is mostly down to the fault of government,unions and some great british workers :):).

The good old us has what 3 or 4 cars makers that produce the same dire crap as each other,no real inventiveness or design breakthroughs, just copy everyone else. In fact they are in such dire straights i wont be surprised to hear that china owns them, if they dont already, like most for the rest of us companies.

LOL, Regards, John :):)

JohnMarchant
05-12-2008, 03:25 AM
PS bloodquest, Ever heard of McLaren :):)

pumeco
05-12-2008, 03:34 AM
You tell 'em, John - lol

Seriously though, even to this day I wonder what 'really' happened to Rover, and if we'll ever see it rise from the ashes (again). Last I heard was from my uncle. He's pretty certain he heard something (somewhere he can't remember) that either China or Japan have it. Personally, I'm amazed that Honda didn't snap-up Rover. They made great cars during their collaberations in the earlier years. Still, if my uncle is right, and Japan do have it, then that could well mean that it's now owned by Honda.

I love Honda cars as well, so I really hope so.

JohnMarchant
05-12-2008, 05:14 AM
Well thats enough america bashing, suffice to say on the topic of Top Gear, leave well alone,if it aint broke dont fix it. if you dont understand the humour on the other side of the pond, live with it you could always have been german and they have an even bigger problem with converting our humour.

Buy the way on the subject of rover, one of the best v8 engines ever built anywhere was a rover v8, been around for yonks and still being used.

I think that jeremy clarkson is very pro america actually, after all he owned a ford gt 4 or 40, cant remember which. Did you see the episode when the hamster and captian slow got him to park it in a normal shopping center carpark and then try to get out of it. Hilarious, bet ford was not to happy with that publicity :):)

Regards, John :):)

JohnMarchant
05-12-2008, 05:22 AM
To be honest pumeco, they are dead. no one will buy the cars here. Did you see the episode on the new city rover. They had to go undercover to do the test drive because rover would not let them do an official test drive for fear of what would happen. It was a disaster of a car.

Look at TVR, great cars, lots of innovation, a bit unreliable but the chimera and cerbera were beautiful cars. Now owned by a russian and now built in i believe checkoslovakia, so now you dont see any new ones of them on the uk roads, sad but true once they are built outside of the uk they never get back into the uk market in any numbers.

Regards, John

colkai
05-12-2008, 07:16 AM
oh, my gawd, I thought Ms Halliwell was a numpty to start with but jeez Louise, after watching that clip, scary! :twak: :eek:

pumeco
05-12-2008, 07:16 AM
I think your right John, it looks Rover are dead ... permanently ... this time :thumbsdow

Whoever decided that the "City Rover" would save their company, really does need mental therapy of the highest order IMHO. The first time I saw one on the road I remember thinking two things;

1> No way was it designed by Rover and ...
2> If that's the sort of crap (a rebadged piece of junk) they think the avarage Rover customer is going to put up with, then they're doomed anyway.

Ah well, I'm sorry for going OT fellas, it's just you cannot mention Top Gear without mentioning Caravans or Rover. I still think that if it wasn't for that stupid 'Cool Wall' of theirs, Rover would still be 'just' getting by. I think those guys on Top Gear do more damage and have more power than they realize, even if it is in the name of fun and the guys just being 'Guys'.

KillMe
05-12-2008, 12:12 PM
i dont think so how many rover driver watch top gear? - sorry but not many rovers are kinda an old persons car

jsut to add to the us bashing though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIhRVAp1Qy4

think the correct term is pwned =)

pumeco
05-12-2008, 01:02 PM
i dont think so how many rover driver watch top gear? - sorry but not many rovers are kinda an old persons car

No offence, but that's exactly the sort of crap I'm talking about.

You only have the 'false' impression that Rovers are for oldies because of guys like those on Top Gear. Years back I owned an MG/ROVER Turbo Montego, and on it's release it was 'the' fastest production saloon on the road. If an oldie had put his foot down on it, he'd have discovered a legal alternative to Viagra - no kidding - it was scary fast!

What it was is that Rover favoured the quality finish of Leather, Walnut, and Chrome, while just about every other manufacturer got by with sh*tty bits of plastic. It was like having 100 to 1, so guess who came out looking like crap even though it wasn't?

Oh, oh, ... and, ... and I had the pleasure of driving a Rover SDi 3.5 V8 Vitesse, and to this day I've yet to find a car that even comes close to the enjoyment I had in that thing - on a motorway as well - ah man!

Honda was also given the 'same' stigma of this oldie crap, but thankfully they have a marketing team that's one step ahead of the likes of Top Gear. Try telling someone these days that their Honda Type-R is for oldies ;)

Top Gear would't even dream of it now, because it would make them look a laughing stock, and they'd be laughed under the table by all the boy racers (a large percentage of their audience).

Steamthrower
05-12-2008, 01:10 PM
Rovers really are nice vehicles (or were...don't know about the newest ones). My father had one back in the early 90s and even then, in a period where all cars looked ugly and worked uglier, it was an extremely nice vehicle.

I actually never knew Range Rovers were considered "sh*tty"...my experiences with them have always been positive.

pumeco
05-12-2008, 01:32 PM
Rovers really are nice vehicles (or were...don't know about the newest ones). My father had one back in the early 90s and even then, in a period where all cars looked ugly and worked uglier, it was an extremely nice vehicle.

Thanks Inigo/Steamthrower :D

Just in case your curious about the newer ones, this was the last beast they built before they were killed-off.
No one who bulds cars like that deserves to die.

Pssssssssst!!! *she looked a total whore in black as well*


http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6987/roveric8.jpg

KillMe
05-12-2008, 02:35 PM
thats basically the exact copy of the car they had our previously witha bigger more uneconimcal yet strangle low bhp for all that

and sorry but it does look like an old persons car - some of the mg's were to bad looking but never seen a single rover that looked good

so no shall not lament the fall of rover - liek i siad want british cars think lotus and aston marton

sean hargreaves
05-12-2008, 06:26 PM
:hijack:

I'm annoyed because I want to watch Formula 1, but I dont have Tivo, and they (this year for some reason) have decided to show it ONLY Live. So, I have to get up at 4.30 am. They (Speedvision) dont repeat it again. Episodes and episodes and episodes of a guy in a staged garage fiddling with a wrench and showing us how pistons work...if you miss it, its on again in 2 hours. But Formula 1, ohhhh no, you get one chance only to see it..........

.....at 4.30am! :grumpy:

Jim_C
05-12-2008, 08:33 PM
I'm annoyed because I want to watch Formula 1, but I dont have Tivo,<snip>


DVD recorders with timer are 59-99 bucks and you could probably find a vcr for free or one dollar at a thrift store.

:)


Of course you can always catch NASCAR .

:D

sean hargreaves
05-12-2008, 08:50 PM
Nascar??????

No comment!


But yes Jim, you're right (about the dvd recorders that is)! :D

pumeco
05-13-2008, 03:54 AM
thats basically the exact copy of the car they had our previously witha bigger more uneconimcal yet strangle low bhp for all that

and sorry but it does look like an old persons car - some of the mg's were to bad looking but never seen a single rover that looked good

so no shall not lament the fall of rover - liek i siad want british cars think lotus and aston marton

Man, I cannot imagine how you think that looks like an old persons car. And funny enough that IS the Rover badged model - the up-sported MG version looks even meaner.

Ah well, to each his own I suppose, but are you sure you're not the comedian guy in this clip? :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=446fr2BDvFI

Oh I admit, it's very funny and yes, even I laughed. It's still out of order though, the way they continued to single-out Rover like they did. It's stuff like this clip that killed Rover, it was never just mismanagement.

KillMe
05-13-2008, 01:39 PM
the thing is ugly and yeah it looks like a soft rounded saloon ok its got a v8 in it but deleivers a fraction of what a v8 of similar size shoudl produce - ironically the engine in it is american

the suspension and handling are appauling by all reports - cronic understear - its just not a good car - rovers are an old persons car - they have no flair - no originality as mentioned this is the same bodyshell as the previous one with just a different engine in it - and its not that which killed rover - even if they slag it off a small small percentage of the population watchs top gear - and even fewer would let a entertainment show give them actual advice on what car they drive

rover failed on its own merits because of lack of design flair and build quality

pumeco
05-13-2008, 02:16 PM
the thing is ugly and yeah it looks like a soft rounded saloon ok its got a v8 in it but deleivers a fraction of what a v8 of similar size shoudl produce - ironically the engine in it is american

the suspension and handling are appauling by all reports - cronic understear - its just not a good car - rovers are an old persons car - they have no flair - no originality as mentioned this is the same bodyshell as the previous one with just a different engine in it - and its not that which killed rover - even if they slag it off a small small percentage of the population watchs top gear - and even fewer would let a entertainment show give them actual advice on what car they drive

rover failed on its own merits because of lack of design flair and build quality

Now listen here, Jeremy, old chap (you are Jeremy, Right?).

If that's true, and it really is an American V8 in that car then I'm changing tactic and blaming it on the Yankies. I can only assume that Rover (who are noted for producing one of the best, if not THE best V8 engine in the world) were effected by their own pathetic mismanagement and put another engine in it instead of updating or redeveloping a newer V8 of their own.

I can understand now why it was underpowered, but I totally disagree on the 'design flair' comment. Even a basic Rover 214SEI family car from twelve years back looks better than most of it's price equivalent on the road right now. It was better inside as well, I know, I tried loads and the Rover won by a mile - absolutely no contest!

Anyway, thanks for the chit-chat. I don't agree with you, but that's just my opinion and I know thousands 'would' agree with you. I'm one of the lucky ones that ignored the Bullsh*t and owned a Rover and doesn't regret any of them. I'm sorry that when I buy another car - it won't be a Rover.

There was fun though, here is a something you might not expect to see. It's Jeremy Clarkson actually enjoying a Rover - straight up - unlikely but true :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJUNI9lk0PA

Serious wheel spin guaranteed :D
(It had a Rover engine back then).

pumeco
05-13-2008, 02:18 PM
BTW, if ever I restore a car - the model in the clip will be it :thumbsup:
Rover Vitesse V8.

KillMe
05-14-2008, 04:15 AM
well design is all a matter of taste - the only rover i ever quite liekd the look of was that one in taht clip - though has dated somewhat now and was about 7 when i liked it and because the police cars were that model and i had a toy one =) yay for nostalgia

but still dont like rovers =)

Jim_C
07-03-2008, 07:19 PM
Anyone heard of a new season?
Or is it on now?
or....?

Qexit
07-04-2008, 03:35 AM
The new season here in the UK started two weeks ago. I'm pleased to say it is still up to its usual standard, though there is a new feature involving the Top Gear Stunt Man that I am still not too sure about. Fans of British Leyland and the Austin Rover Group will definitely not like it :D

kopperdrake
07-04-2008, 04:56 AM
Was that the episode with the poor red car?

Qexit
07-04-2008, 05:05 AM
Was that the episode with the poor red car?Not sure about the colour but they used an Austin Allegro the first week and a Maestro the second. I'm not going to discuss what actually happened in each of these pieces as that would spoil the fun for those that have yet to see the programmes :D

Now that I think about it, the Maestro was red :thumbsup:

Jim_C
07-08-2008, 01:09 PM
The new season here in the UK started two weeks ago.

Thanks for the info!

The recent Alfa special was fabulous. I was laughing so hard at times I had tears...