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Snosrap
05-06-2008, 11:15 PM
Bauhaus must have lost their legal battle, I just received the folowing e-mail. Now what? I knew the guys from TV Paint were behind it, but having support here in the states was nice.

Cheers
Snosrap


Dear Bauhaus customer,

Bauhaus Software, Inc. has sold the Mirage Software Business to TVPaint. Should you need support, sales or additional information regarding the Mirage Software, please contact TVPaint directly at the link below.

http://www.tvpaint.com/

Thank you,

Bauhaus Software, Inc.

jin choung
05-07-2008, 12:23 AM
long live project dogwaffle.

jin

calilifestyle
05-07-2008, 01:55 AM
yeah i forgot about project dogwaffle. they have that pro version and free version. doest it have pixel tracking and color keying

calilifestyle
05-07-2008, 01:59 AM
oh wow i just went to Bauhaus.com and it's not even there. if anything that sucks the most since they said that no matter what happens they would at lest have their website open for us mirage users.

jin choung
05-07-2008, 02:14 AM
check out their site starting here:

http://thebest3d.com/dogwaffle/whatsnew/index.html

for those who like this workflow, considering that pd is $120, i never understood why anyone would buy aura or tvpaint or mirage.

it's the same thing but cheaper.

and evidently less drama.

jin

Phil
05-07-2008, 02:53 AM
My concern with dogwaffle is that the developer seems to have gone all religious. Whilst there is nothing hugely wrong with that (each to their own), replacing his web page with a single long missive about his conversion and his attitude to more mundane aspects of life makes me nervous about the future of the program.

I cannot speak for the latest version, but earlier releases won't work correctly with CrossOver Office on Mac, which is disappointing. Displayed palettes just disappear when you click anywhere outside of them.

jin choung
05-07-2008, 03:50 AM
see, this kind of thing - personal religious belief that presents no explicit implication into his program - i'm totally fine with. live and let live. as long as he makes no requests or demands of me or impinges into my realm, i'm so totally cool with it. you live. i live. awesome.

you want to talk about your religious life in your website? great!

as long as he doesn't have any disagreeable statement in the eula like 3d coat and i have no trouble supporting the program. if you're worried that he might start adding john 3:16 into his help files or that all the buttons are anagrams of the book of revelations, you can just ask him before you make any kind of purchase.

they're not supposed to lie... : )

jin

tonybliss
05-07-2008, 03:56 AM
they're not supposed to lie... : )

jin


ROTFFL
That one woke me up :D :D :D

AbnRanger
05-07-2008, 04:23 AM
At least it seems that the court came somewhere down the middle by giving both parties something.

Quiet1onTheSet
05-08-2008, 11:58 AM
At least it seems that the court came somewhere down the middle by giving both parties something.
Hmm. What I'm curious about is this:

Q.1. How does one, living on American soil, make purchases, knowing fully what the cost of upgrades (in U.S. dollars) are?

In other words,
Q.2. What do I do at that site, when desiring to check into pricing of the varied products? Must I have a currency calculator on my desk?

I'm serious, gang. Any suggestions, appreciated.

Q1

D.T. Nethery
05-08-2008, 06:50 PM
Bauhaus must have lost their legal battle, I just received the folowing e-mail. Now what? I knew the guys from TV Paint were behind it, but having support here in the states was nice.

Cheers
Snosrap


Dear Bauhaus customer,

Bauhaus Software, Inc. has sold the Mirage Software Business to TVPaint. Should you need support, sales or additional information regarding the Mirage Software, please contact TVPaint directly at the link below.

http://www.tvpaint.com/

Thank you,

Bauhaus Software, Inc.


I've been using TVPaint for the last two years because Bauhaus could never upgrade Mirage to work on Intel Mac.

Support from TVPaint in France is great . No problems.

D.T. Nethery
05-08-2008, 07:06 PM
Hmm. What I'm curious about is this:

Q.1. How does one, living on American soil, make purchases, knowing fully what the cost of upgrades (in U.S. dollars) are?

In other words,
Q.2. What do I do at that site, when desiring to check into pricing of the varied products? Must I have a currency calculator on my desk?

I'm serious, gang. Any suggestions, appreciated.

Q1

Currency calculators/convertors are FREE , all over the internet . Take your choice. It's not difficult. Euros to Dollars. GoCurrency.com (http://www.gocurrency.com/) is one.

TVPaint web store (http://www.tvpaint.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=97&Itemid=77) has links to GoCurrency convertor (http://www.tvpaint.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=130&Itemid=151).

So far I have only paid for the initial upgrade from Mirage to TVP 8.0 . Then the upgrade to TVP 8.5 (http://www.tvpaint.com/index.php?Itemid=79&id=25&option=com_content&task=view) was free.

This is all done by PayPal. Not difficult or complicated. Same as making payments from eBay or Amazon.com .

calilifestyle
05-08-2008, 07:26 PM
D.T. Nethery i believe he means, if your in the states where would you buy it then. I have looked at it before and you cant buy from there website. the only close place that they link to is a store in Mexico. i mean i might Mexican-American but im keep my credit card out of there systems lol .
Plus i rather have mirage not tvp. in any case i might try out dogwaffle.
Biggest problem is that i was not using mirage like a painting tool/ 2d animation tool. i bought when they labels it a 2d video painter app/2d somehting hehe. it was more of hybrid version of combustion or AE for me at lest. so thats one of the reasons i haven't tried Dogwaffle jin.
Dogwaffle looks more like a Photoshop/painter hybrid. but if your tell me that you can do video comp. like mirage could then I'm all over it. i didn't see any good examples on the websit.

D.T. Nethery
05-08-2008, 07:32 PM
I have looked at it before and you cant buy from there website.


You can buy TVP Animation software from the TVPaint Webstore.

This link:

International Customers (http://www.tvpaint.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=97&Itemid=77)

Now that the legal dispute with Bauhaus is finally resolved in favor of TVPaint Development Co. they will soon be distributing it with the various North American software resellers who used to sell Mirage. But for now it is available from the TVP webstore (http://www.tvpaint.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=97&Itemid=77).

calilifestyle
05-08-2008, 07:40 PM
http://www.bauhaussoftware.com/
at the bottom. courts didn't do anything. they sold it over.

jin choung
05-08-2008, 07:44 PM
yup you can do tv stuff. didn't you look at the link? they have chroma key and everything...

i'm tellin' ya it is literally the same program.. just much cheaper. if you value your money, you should check it out....

jin

archijam
05-09-2008, 01:44 AM
Is there a similar, cheap mac alternative to dogwaffle?

AbnRanger
05-09-2008, 02:12 AM
Is there a similar, cheap mac alternative to dogwaffle?Yes, Photoshop Warez Suite :D

jin choung
05-09-2008, 02:21 AM
you can try it with wine....

jin

BigHache
05-10-2008, 11:46 AM
at the bottom. courts didn't do anything. they sold it over.
That could easily have been part of a court settlement.

I'm glad that thing is over because conflicts like that aren't good for the end-user.

D.T. Nethery
05-10-2008, 12:27 PM
Is there a similar, cheap mac alternative to dogwaffle?


The free version of Plastic Animation Paper (PAP (http://www.plasticanimationpaper.dk/)) There is no official Mac version of PAP, just the Mac beta, but it works ok .
(I'm running Mac OS 10.5 on a Macbook.)

PENCIL (http://www.les-stooges.org/pascal/pencil/)(freeware)

But I'm afraid neither of these very nice animation applications will do all the stuff that Dogwaffle can do from the looks of it .

For digital painting on the Mac I'd suggest ArtRage 2 (http://www.ambientdesign.com/artrage.html) . There's a free version, but even the full version is only $25 .

archijam
05-10-2008, 12:46 PM
All look nice, thanks for the tips!

Do you still have the beta installer for PAP? They seem to have taken it down for the moment ..

I agree 25 for ArtRage looks like a pretty good deal, but I'll test it first with the ol' wacom :)

cresshead
05-10-2008, 12:50 PM
i hope to see bauhaus software with a 'from the ground up new app' in the not too distant future they just need to get on and make something a bit like combustion for pc and mac.

and good to see tvpaint got mirage back so they can now move forward in the U.S. with resellers for TVpaint.

i hope both parties move forward at a pace in developing tv paint [tvpaint devleopers] and whatever bauhaus software can come up with in a new app to re launch their site in the nr future.

cresshead
05-10-2008, 12:54 PM
re pd pro [dogwaffle] i bought it a while back but found it slow and a bit clunky...never did anything with it so it's now off my pc's...it really doesn't compare to tvpaint for animation

James Blish
06-09-2008, 11:44 PM
oh wow i just went to Bauhaus.com and it's not even there. if anything that sucks the most since they said that no matter what happens they would at lest have their website open for us mirage users.

I just got Mirage in February and was going through the video tutorials by Ballance. Figured I had time and didn't save them because of what they said.. "no matter what happens".

Does anyone have or are the tutorials mirrored somewhere??

Thanks,

James

calilifestyle
06-10-2008, 12:08 AM
they should all be on your disk, from mirage pro cd. let me see if i have it ,if its not on there then sorry. btw yeah i swear they said they would be home for mirage uses no matter what. But i was told by someone that they don't recall saying that.

calilifestyle
06-10-2008, 12:13 AM
Have you asked over on tvp site
i located this in their forums
http://www.tvpaint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2306

iojabba
06-10-2008, 06:26 AM
My son uses the free version of dogwaffle and really likes it. I also got him a 2nd hand copy of Aura 2 recently. He likes them both, but he does mainly line animations and nothing fancy. Pencil is pretty nice for a free cell animation program as well, but its pretty limited.

BigHache
06-10-2008, 09:51 AM
Well, there's always RETAS!Pro, but it's pretty expensive for an individual...