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Raccoon Bandit
04-09-2008, 08:56 AM
Holy guns batman! Indias Prime Focus has purchased 1000 yes thats one thousand seats of Fusion from eyeon making them the largest seat holder in the world. Thats some big action!
http://eyeonline.com/Web/EyeonWeb/Press/DisplayArticle.aspx?articleid=352

Steamthrower
04-09-2008, 09:52 AM
Holy Smokin' Roman Empire, Bandit!

Do they really have 1,000 people working on Fusion? That's incredible. All this outsourcing...kills us.

JamesCurtis
04-09-2008, 12:55 PM
You've got that right!! NOT so good news - except of course for Eyeon!!

Titus
04-09-2008, 01:11 PM
Why exactly 1000 seats?

Steamthrower
04-09-2008, 01:15 PM
That's some serious money to shell out for that many licenses. I expect that they would plan to utilise them all. What, $4m-$5m? You don't spend that for nothing.

Andyjaggy
04-09-2008, 01:23 PM
I can't imagine the overhead and nightmare of running an effects house that has 1000 people compositing in it. Something seems kind of odd about that to me. I can't imagine who could possibly need that many licenses.

Unless those count as rendering nodes as well?

Steamthrower
04-09-2008, 01:44 PM
I'm not completely sure about how Fusion supports rendering nodes; check out this link:

http://www.eyeonline.com/Web/EyeonWeb/Products/render_node/render_node.aspx

I'm assuming that surely it comes with several free nodes. But still, 1,000 rendering nodes is a HECK of a lot of nodes...especially for compositing. I can understand that many nodes for Maya or Lightwave, but for compositing? That's pretty mindboggling.

FarrahWelch
04-09-2008, 01:46 PM
Woah... I should move to India.

Steamthrower
04-09-2008, 01:53 PM
Can you imagine being a compositor amidst 999 others? What boring jobs you'd get.

"Okay, today you'll be tracking and removing the 3rd piece of lint in her hair...over these 457 separate frames. Sound good? Tomorrow if not done by someone else, I'll have you grab the 4th piece, okay?"

Liber777
04-09-2008, 04:53 PM
It's spread out over multiple locations.

And they have who-knows-how-many render nodes on top of the 1,000 Fusion seats...!

Cheers,
Stivan

zapper1998
04-09-2008, 05:31 PM
1000 seats
They probably got one heck of a deal like 50% off the price...or better

Heck Lets all move to India, there pay is more, GAS is CHEAPER....

manholoz
04-11-2008, 09:02 AM
They're preparing way for the matrix. :P

palpal
04-13-2008, 05:41 AM
...I have been involved in using work form India on a project here. We have had between 12/20 it specialists working for us. But man I would next time rather have 4 from my home country as they would do the same work, and in the end that would be cheaper to.

So 1000 Fusion seats in india is actually just about 200 seats of good european graphics specialists... hmmm...

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ABOUT MARKET - IF YOU THINK IT SUCKS THAT PEOPLE OUTSOURCHE - THEN FOR GODS SAKE MAKE SURE YOU USE LOCAL WORKPOWER IN ALL YOUR OWN PROJECTS NO MATTER WHAT.

This is a big thing to us all now. Example I gave a budget on a work over here in norway / The client seem to like the offer, but one of their employees got a offer from india, phillephines, one from the US and one from canada. All of these were cheaper than my offer. I had to sit down woth them and explain why. You see in the Worlds book of records / Oslo is listed as the most expencive place in the world to live - I told them that they had to understand that local work costs more, but you get it on time.

They went for the offer from the agency in india. Now 10 months later I have got the assignments because it never got online, and there were so much hassle for these guys, they had to travel to india two times, hey, we are speaking of a corporate web site her, not a big system or something. And the design were horrible.

Now... I got the work now, from start, and with even higher total budget.

We must just keep creating good stuff... The matrix could never have been created on a outsourche scale like that... I see that soon something like that will happen alot more - but that is also the death for the industry as we know it - so it is up to us to use local work instead of outsourching and always buing the cheapest.

But again - I am an awful bizzman - but I prefere that more than money...

Yours PAL

JamesCurtis
04-13-2008, 02:48 PM
I heartily agree!! The only way to combat outsourcing to foriegn countries is to keep it here!! It has to start now, or else quality will suffer!!

I have a friend that worked in the cel animation industry. He worked on the King Of The Hill [Fox TV] show for 3 years. They outsource the cel line inking to Korea. He basically said that the quality was terrible, there was no "character" to the characters, and it all had the same poor quality no matter who did the work there and in many instances needed to be redone in the States again.

If the work doesn't stay in the country of origination then eventually the only kind of job we will be able to get is flipping burgers at the local Mc D or BK!!

palpal
04-14-2008, 02:42 PM
There might be a place to outsourch all the really dull work, also I can see this. But in most cases for me and my clients there are something called a market. Most of my clients are only doing bizz in Norway my home market. And I dear to say that no India corporation will ever know the trends and feels of what is in or out here better than creators living here. This is the ultimate point of sale when selling the services of ours to local or national clients.

In big film productions I can see cut of costs maybe by outsourching stuff, but really, are films today less expencive to create? In the end I think the outsourched part will be great afterall, and not just as good... maybe good enough, but who wants to be there... in some years these workers in india and so on do not want to be there also... Even they see povertry all around them they will envolve... and that is when it will be fun to compete with them... because they can still do goos stuff but would they know the marked and the clients that they are to reach for the emploeeing company? I really do not think so. And maybe the eqonomic growth will be great in these countries so in a while more and more work will be done for clients in their countries, and they will compete more in thet erea... I meen, there are alot of people in india... and man they will spend too when they have the money... and then thei home market will be the most important one... they are alot of beeings man.

In norway we are 4.6 million, thet is the total population of norway... 240 times more they are in india. That is one large market for the future right there!

Yours PAL :thumbsup:

Steamthrower
04-14-2008, 03:10 PM
I know someone who designs women's purses and bags...very exclusive, expensive stuff. She will make up either a prototype or a drawing, and send it to a manufacturer. Well...guess what. She says that if the line wants a cheaper purse in large quantities, they send it to China. In China they duplicate the thing down to the millimeter. Even if there's an error, they'll replicate it exactly. Or, if they want a nice, expensive purse, they'll send it to Italy, where the craftsman will take the prototype and design a literal work of art: his own interpretation of the design. And it'll be beautiful.

That's an example of what outsourcing is. It's sacrificing quality and beauty for time and money. Sometimes, perhaps it's necessary to outsource. But avoid it like the plague, guys. Cheaper isn't better. You all know to not go out and buy a $250 Lenovo PC to use as your modeling workstation. It's money down the drain.

palpal
04-14-2008, 03:19 PM
...I have been working with a legend here in norway inside the graphics field for alot of years now. A book publisher in china wanted to create the arts of book about him... so he were proud and sent them all his work on output to dias or slides as it is called. The equipment he used were just for client showing, old system but the artist I am speking of is over 70 years old. In this system there were some rasters created on all work.

Then later he sent all the original work on files on the harddrive, saved them all out as tif images in great resolution...

Then four months down the timeline he got the first copy for correcting text purposes, it were then 90% finished. He were very surprised as all his art had this raster on them... he thought they had not replaced the files, but I told him that the acctual image were better but that the raster seem to be the one from the lowres slides. Guess what? They had used the time to alter his work to have that raster...

That is some of china for you right there. :help:

Yours PAL :D

palpal
04-14-2008, 03:59 PM
...communication is key here, and that is my point too, as well as the massive market knowhow.Companies that I know did not earn great form outsourcing due to the fact that communicationlines were poor. The worker say yes too much and time goes by and then it shows that the understanding were all wrong, and that costs alot of money.

There are great companies in these countries, and yes they do good work in some cases, but what should one outsource? I would not dare to outsource the final effects and finish on my movie to india, that is for sure. I would rather have less people working on higher salary here or in us or in rest of europe... but not in india or china... but that is just me...

Yours PAL :thumbsup:

Steamthrower
04-14-2008, 04:07 PM
I'd agree with both of you. I have had bad experiences and bad gut feelings with a lot of Indian/Malaysian/Korean outsourcing. I will say that one Indian web development company I dealt with was very nice, professional, and put out some good work...yet in the end I felt I couldn't go with them. Why should I go with them when there is a web design company a dozen blocks up the street that is completely local...and that also pays their employees a decent salary?

I can understand the reasons why people outsource. So far, I have not yet been forced to outsource, though I've come pretty close. But as a freelancer (right now) I'm fairly free to make my own decisions...and when I personally know a local/regional guy who could do the same job, I'll go with them. Even if it costs me more. Plus...the local guy I hire probably speaks English...instead of Indianglish...:D

Lightwolf
04-14-2008, 04:37 PM
That's an example of what outsourcing is.
Actually, you just quoted two examples of outsourcing. And let's face it... most of the stuff we do is outsourced to start with, otherwise we wouldn'T be doing it in the first place. ;)

And what we are remains the same... specialists. And we still need to sell our skills against the competition. The arguments are the same, the scale is different though.

Cheers,
Mike

palpal
04-14-2008, 05:32 PM
Lightwolf: Ohhh yeah you said it so much better than what I could in english. But at the same time there are differences in beeing an AD or a dooer of dropshadows... I think the dull work should be done by someone else, but really, it is quite hard as my knowhow and experience say that even some of the most basic stuff are done wrong when otsourcing to india and china and so on. I have used freelance artists in london and in us and in australia and we get on a communication level and the same understanding... but the company I am involved in hiering indian workers, we never got that there... alot of others I know of did not get there also...

So maybe this thread that went off subject should go off subject again and contain info on how to get these workers to do the work we need... ?

But in the end, I am really agreeing with the in country polecy for most... I want to do it locally... if the customer can pay the local cost that is the best... even I could be bissman and earn some more... in a way!

Yours PAL :lwicon:

Steamthrower
04-14-2008, 06:28 PM
Actually, you just quoted two examples of outsourcing.
Cheers,
Mike

True, you're right. Yet I think the difference lies in that Italy is recognised as the place for leather. Relative to our position in world business, it's kind of as if you're not outsourcing when you ask a studio in Hollywood to create some effects. But technically, yeah, my example was flawed. :D

Outsourcing as I believe we are all using it to mean, is the farming out of projects to smaller, foreign, and probably non-Western countries.

Lightwolf
04-15-2008, 01:23 AM
Relative to our position in world business, it's kind of as if you're not outsourcing when you ask a studio in Hollywood to create some effects. But technically, yeah, my example was flawed. :D

Outsourcing as I believe we are all using it to mean, is the farming out of projects to smaller, foreign, and probably non-Western countries.
Which is just plain wrong imho. Outsourcing to a cheaper country just makes it easier to blame people ;) (Looking at the size of India it's hard to call it a smaller country as well ;) ).
Seriously, if my customer farms out a simple Colour Correction job to London (and pays a fortune for it, but gets to impress his customer in the process) it hurts me more than loosing a roto gig to the Philipines.
If I can't compete with either one, I need a change of plan.
And as was mentioned before, communication is the key (customers are learning that lesson now as well).
I think the general idea of cheap labour abroad is currentl hurting the bigger studios more than the smaller ones... on the other hand, as business entities, the big studios can also profit the most from it (Like any other business really).

Cheers,
Mike

Andyjaggy
04-15-2008, 08:14 AM
I think as time goes by though the larger and more professional studios in say India, will start to charge more and more, and eventually it won't really be that much cheaper to outsource there, add on top of that the difficulty of dealing with someone halfway accross the world that speaks broken English and I think most companies might start to rethink their strategy.

Lightwolf
04-15-2008, 08:17 AM
...add on top of that the difficulty of dealing with someone halfway accross the world that speaks broken English...
<jokingly>
Yeah, I've got the same problem dealing with some people in the US... outsourcing to the UK makes much more sense :D
</jokingly>
Cheers,
Mike

Andyjaggy
04-15-2008, 08:20 AM
Hahaha :) I was waiting for someone to make that comment. :)

Steamthrower
04-15-2008, 08:23 AM
u mean liek lol we in the usa cant speak english? rofl thats so rad. nice 2 hear that.

- gil aka "the all-american stud"

Lightwolf
04-15-2008, 08:35 AM
Hahaha :) I was waiting for someone to make that comment. :)
I couldn't resist... It was such a nice set-up, thank you for that! :D

Cheers,
Mike

gerry_g
04-15-2008, 08:47 AM
Americans and their crap English, don't know where and when to use 'a' or 'an' let alone the difference, and the times I've seen or heard someone explain they're going to 'inverse something' when they mean 'invert something'. still for all that colloquial American english has enriched the language enormously.

On a more serious note and back on topic re: outsourcing, (more relevant to design origination than film or video comping) I don't do much prod design origination but some and one set of items that was outsourced to China/Hong Kong is now the subject of a lawsuit for plagiarism, which is the other key point to be made about the whole sorry mess of outsourcing, it is the problem of legal redress when you get royally screwed by the b%^&@rds.

tektonik
04-15-2008, 09:01 AM
at least in India (vs china) they speak english :)

we receive CAD plans from China and all is in mandarin :)
what are they thinking ? ok ok they are quite imposing with their sheer number but it is not enough !

on the outsourcing part... i think that it is hollywood that will need a lot of shaking up because they often produce reproducible SH*T

And, as 3D as I am, the MAIN thing in a film is the scenario not the special effects and bollywood may be the new mecca of film making (quantity wise) i have yet to see a good indian scenario :)

i am happy for eyeon for they are not autodesk:tongue:

CMT
04-15-2008, 01:11 PM
If India starts charging more, then they will go look for another nation that will do the job for less. That's what I've learned over the years in manufacturing.

China has been slowly charging more these last couple years because of rising material costs. They are a fast developing country getting richer by the second because of all potential growth it now has to offer. So the owners of the company I work for is starting to look to India, Mexico, Philippines, etc for places that they can get cheaper labor for our merchandise. It's just the nature of hardcore businessmen. It won't change.

But not everyone wants the cheap $10.00 resin birdhouses we make. A lot of people still want their nice $60.00 nicely crafted wood birdhouse. Those people won't go away. Same with quality FX work.

Steamthrower
04-15-2008, 01:44 PM
One thing though that Indians are incredibly good at: math. I have seen them do some incredible stuff in web development; but only in the backbone side, the PHP part. Visually, they make crap. But they can make some amazing CMS apps and they can code incredibly. That's their gift.

Similarly, I could imagine that they could code some pretty darn nice MEL scripts or Lscripts. I wouldn't mind outsourcing that, but even then we have some German friends here who specialise in that type of work. And even though I could get a script from India for half the price, I would be faced with the fact that I have been to Germany, met Germans, talked to them in German, read their books in German, eaten in their cafes and drank their beer and laughed with them. Something that would be hard to do naturally with someone on the other side of the world who's spent their entire lives in a different environment.

It's not being racist at all, either. I have known Indians and Koreans and liked them. They're great people, and incredibly intelligent. But art isn't their strong point, and even though they can program insanely well, I'd still feel bad by outsourcing outside of the US, UK, Germany, or Scandinavia. Quality over quantity, principles over moolah.

lightripple
04-15-2008, 02:07 PM
That is probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever read... and racist!

What would you say us Americans are good at? Dictating what other races are good at...

Steamthrower
04-15-2008, 03:01 PM
Oh, no. Here it comes.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that no Eastern art is good, because it is, because they ARE able to create beautiful things. But there is no denying that national abilities differ. Italians ARE more artistic than Germans. Indians ARE better at math than the British. French ARE better chefs than Russians. Swiss ARE better engineers than Icelanders.

That's not racist. It's nothing near racist. Come on, quit picking fights.

Lightwolf
04-15-2008, 03:06 PM
A lot of people still want their nice $60.00 nicely crafted wood birdhouse. Those people won't go away. Same with quality FX work.
That doesn't mean it can't be done in those countries either... but wherever you go, quality has it's price.

Then again, with hard and software prices having gone down over the past decades, the cost of living and thus salaries play a larger role than they used to. After all, CG is just a service.

Cheers,
Mike

Lightwolf
04-15-2008, 03:08 PM
But they can make some amazing CMS apps and they can code incredibly.
Sorry, but I've seen some incredibly stupid code from indians as well. Just as I've seen good and bad code from just about anybody.

Cheers,
Mike

lightripple
04-15-2008, 03:09 PM
Oh, no. Here it comes.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that no Eastern art is good, because it is, because they ARE able to create beautiful things. But there is no denying that national abilities differ. Italians ARE more artistic than Germans. Indians ARE better at math than the British. French ARE better chefs than Russians. Swiss ARE better engineers than Icelanders.

That's not racist. It's nothing near racist. Come on, quit picking fights.

not trying to pick a fight. I don't care if your racist!
You sound like your from the midwest though...
You probably voted for bush and believe in jesus... How do you like it?

What are Americans good at?

Etch
04-15-2008, 05:53 PM
not trying to pick a fight. I don't care if your racist!
You sound like your from the midwest though...
You probably voted for bush and believe in jesus... How do you like it?

What are Americans good at?

So insulting someone doesn't count as picking a fight?

Learn something new everyday.

Steamthrower
04-15-2008, 06:49 PM
Lightripple, I do live in the Midwest. However I did not vote for Bush. And my philosophical and religious affiliations have been made well known on these boards, but I do not force them upon anybody.

You state in this thread that you are not trying to pick a fight. Yet only a little bit earlier in a seperate thread, you stated that this "community" had to "deal with you" until Newtek did something about their software.

Not only are you inciting fights and discord, but you are totally illogical. I do not claim to be 100% correct every time. I change my views when I believe someone else has a logical, convincing viewpoint. Yet you have caused almost every thread you've become involved in to be closed. Please stop being a psychotic troll and act like any normal human.

Steamthrower
04-15-2008, 08:47 PM
I of all people am not a racist. I have in the present and have had in the past close friends of all ethnicities imaginable, and frankly I don't view them any differently than anybody else. I've known Caucasians and native Africans and native Asians and Indians and any freaking ethnicity there is.

And I did quote you correctly.


just want to be able to come to the forum of a product that I paid for and voice my honest opinion without getting insulted by people or banned for no reason. So until NT get that through their heads... yous will deal with me!

Viewable here: http://www.newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82852

I repeat that I am not racist and do not have the faintest racist sentiments. I value people for who they are as humans. To be frank: you're pretty low in everybody's estimation. I have not tried to enter a flame war here; you're the guy who scams.

jaf
04-15-2008, 10:00 PM
On a more serious note and back on topic re: outsourcing, (more relevant to design origination than film or video comping) I don't do much prod design origination but some and one set of items that was outsourced to China/Hong Kong is now the subject of a lawsuit for plagiarism, which is the other key point to be made about the whole sorry mess of outsourcing, it is the problem of legal redress when you get royally screwed by the b%^&@rds.

Is that really an eighty-two word sentence? :D

Chilton
04-16-2008, 01:07 AM
Hi,


I want the product I purchased 3 years ago... thats it!

Specifically what is it that you feel is lacking in LightWave?

-Chilton

lightripple
04-16-2008, 07:29 AM
Hi,



Specifically what is it that you feel is lacking in LightWave?

-Chilton

buffers,
dynamics,
volume renderer,
no modeler in layout,
per surface control for gi,
nodes are implemented poorly,
The speed of development( how long are we going to be in this 9.x cycle? 4 years),
I could go on



in 2005


With 9.0, we have reached the point where we can implement major changes at a radical pace, as the new availability of mesh editing functions within the Layout module, added in just the last couple of months, demonstrates. The new structure will allow us to keep pace with the most advanced technologies, and to bring innovation to LightWave users faster than ever before."

That is what I thought I was buying!
correct me if I am wrong, but mesh edit means that I can edit the mesh in layout?

Lightwolf
04-16-2008, 07:44 AM
correct me if I am wrong, but mesh edit means that I can edit the mesh in layout?
Not again... *sigh* You can... you even could before that... Just not the same editing that you can do in Modeler, but it states nowhere that all of Modelers functionality would be in Layout, does it?

Cheers,
Mike (and yes... even bones edit meshes...)

Lightwolf
04-16-2008, 07:54 AM
Oh come on! You dont think that statement is way misleading?
No, not at all. It pretty much told me what to expect (and It also didn't excite me).


What about the bring new features at a radical pace? ITs 3 years later now, and we are on 9.5! Is that a radical pace? not to me...
Are you a part of the 9.5 OB? You'll see a lot of place that have received attention and have progressed quite nicely.

Cheers,
Mike

Steamthrower
04-16-2008, 08:05 AM
I dare say you haven't even used 9.5 OB. You should. If new Lightwave features are so essential to your life, then I would think you'd take at least seven minutes to download OB.

Believe me, you're committing professional suicide behaving like this.

Lightwolf
04-16-2008, 08:06 AM
Didnt excite me either, but it is total lie!
This is rapid development to you?
Do you know what was and wasn't possible in LW before?

we have reached the point where we can implement major changes at a radical pace
Light SDK, major changes to the renderer, re-worked IK and plenty of small stuff yup.
Questionable if you expect LW to turn into XSI within a single release, but no lie.
as the new availability of mesh editing functions within the Layout module, added in just the last couple of months, demonstrates.
Well, some previously Modeler only mesh editing is in Layout... no lie.
The new structure will allow us to keep pace with the most advanced technologies
That's _always_ open to discussion... but the renderer is taking back its spot on the top again.
and to bring innovation to LightWave users faster than ever before.
9.5 just shows that.

I do agree that Modeler got little loving lately... but I'd assume there's good reasons for that.

Cheers,
Mike

Steamthrower
04-16-2008, 08:31 AM
Game studio work: NDA until ~ 2009
Engineering viz: NDA
VFX independent film: NDA

In short, 90% of everything I do is under NDA.

EDIT: please keep in mind I freelance outside of my day job, which is also in arch viz and in which I am not able to provide details of my work.

eagleeyed
04-16-2008, 08:44 AM
Everybody, there is a simple method to make people like lightripple go away, that people say, yet, we dont follow.

Lightripple is obviously here just to annoy us, we all know that, he has not offered any constructive criticism as of yet and has insulted many members of the forum.

The worst thing is, we are responding to him, giving him fuel to continue being a pain and giving him an excuse to come back.

I would see the best method is just ignore him, if he comments, dont respond, just leave it there. Just continue on with what the previous proper poster said. He will eventually get bored, and may find something better to do than annoy us, maybe even use LightWave.

Ignoring them has worked before, in a daily frequented chat room a person who came in to insult people everyday regularly got people angry. Eventually we all just blocked him and ignore him, and after a few days they started to come less and less.

Some people get their kicks from being rude to others over the web (safer than in person), just ignore him, just scroll past their comments without responding and he will eventually get bored, we just have to continously ignore him.

As for lightripple, insult me all you want, come up with an excuse as to why I am wrong and a idiot, so what. Just remember that you have already proven yourself not to be able to listen to the wider community and be civil, so I for one dont care or respect what you call me.
I respect everyone else on the forums, they can be logical and listen to reason, you say you can, but it doesnt appear you can.

Steamthrower
04-16-2008, 08:46 AM
Honestly, Bryphi, if you want I can email you about 3 GBs of finished renderings and animations WHICH I'VE BEEN PAID $65 to $100 AN HOUR TO DO. I'm about done defending myself against you; responding to idiots too much is unwise. To a fool, his folly. I don't advertise myself a whole lot. All I can say is I pity you. You've been scamming people and ripping folks off for years, apparently; but I'm sure you'd rather not talk about that.

EDIT: And Ashley: good advice. It's just hard to ignore someone when he calls you gay, ya know?

lightripple
04-16-2008, 08:48 AM
Everybody, there is a simple method to make people like lightripple go away, that people say, yet, we dont follow.

Lightripple is obviously here just to annoy us, we all know that, he has not offered any constructive criticism as of yet and has insulted many members of the forum.

The worst thing is, we are responding to him, giving him fuel to continue being a pain and giving him an excuse to come back.

I would see the best method is just ignore him, if he comments, dont respond, just leave it there. Just continue on with what the previous proper poster said. He will eventually get bored, and may find something better to do than annoy us, maybe even use LightWave.

Ignoring them has worked before, in a daily frequented chat room a person who came in to insult people everyday regularly got people angry. Eventually we all just blocked him and ignore him, and after a few days they started to come less and less.

Some people get their kicks from being rude to others over the web (safer than in person), just ignore him, just scroll past their comments without responding and he will eventually get bored, we just have to continously ignore him.

As for lightripple, insult me all you want, come up with an excuse as to why I am wrong and a idiot, so what. Just remember that you have already proven yourself not to be able to listen to the wider community and be civil, so I for one dont care or respect what you call me.
I respect everyone else on the forums, they can be logical and listen to reason, you say you can, but it doesnt appear you can.

Practice what you preach...
There is even an easier way...The ignore button.
So you must not mind reading my postS that much!

lightripple
04-16-2008, 08:50 AM
Honestly, Bryphi, if you want I can email you about 3 GBs of finished renderings and animations WHICH I'VE BEEN PAID $65 to $100 AN HOUR TO DO. I'm about done defending myself against you; responding to idiots too much is unwise. To a fool, his folly. I don't advertise myself a whole lot. All I can say is I pity you. You've been scamming people and ripping folks off for years, apparently; but I'm sure you'd rather not talk about that.

EDIT: And Ashley: good advice. It's just hard to ignore someone when he calls you gay, ya know?


I'll settle for 1 good render that is yours... But even then, I have to ask how you got the work with nothing to show!

lightripple
04-16-2008, 08:55 AM
All I can say is I pity you. You've been scamming people and ripping folks off for years, apparently; but I'm sure you'd rather not talk about that

I scammed no one... the two people with issues got their money back!
If thats your only defense... your sad!

eagleeyed
04-16-2008, 08:57 AM
Honestly, Bryphi, if you want I can email you about 3 GBs of finished renderings and animations WHICH I'VE BEEN PAID $65 to $100 AN HOUR TO DO. I'm about done defending myself against you; responding to idiots too much is unwise. To a fool, his folly. I don't advertise myself a whole lot. All I can say is I pity you. You've been scamming people and ripping folks off for years, apparently; but I'm sure you'd rather not talk about that.

EDIT: And Ashley: good advice. It's just hard to ignore someone when he calls you gay, ya know?
Yeah, I can agree with that, happened to me when i was called a racist pig on that chat.

We will have to just ignore though, its clear when we think about it he is just trying to get a reaction. Dont give him a reaction, simple as that, he will eventually find something constructive and polite to do with his time.

CMT
04-16-2008, 08:57 AM
I'll settle for 1 good render that is yours... But even then, I have to ask how you got the work with nothing to show!

How about checking his website... That ever cross your mind? What is there is pretty damn good.

Let's see one from you....

Edit: I should follow suit and just leave this thread alone. There's no end in sight....

Steamthrower
04-16-2008, 08:59 AM
I make no claims in being a great artist. This took me an hour or two, but unfortunately is one of the few things I'm able to do in my spare time.

http://www.newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81188

Other website (reel coming soon): www.klarfx.com

lightripple
04-16-2008, 09:28 AM
I make no claims in being a great artist. This took me an hour or two, but unfortunately is one of the few things I'm able to do in my spare time.

http://www.newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81188

Other website (reel coming soon): www.klarfx.com

I look forward to seeing your work...

cmt... here is some stuff that I did.

CMT
04-16-2008, 09:53 AM
I look forward to seeing your work...

cmt... here is some stuff that I did.

Not too bad. I'll reciprocate... It's older, but one of my better ones.

lightripple
04-16-2008, 10:05 AM
Yeah, I saw that one last night... Thats a good one!:agree:

Steamthrower
04-16-2008, 10:23 AM
Lightripple, for that first tree rendering, what did you use for the leaves/grass/roots?

beverins
04-16-2008, 10:25 AM
I would think you would want to display that stuff on your site! or here...
I think you are a racist lier!

How many times does Newtek have to ban you?

lightripple
04-16-2008, 10:31 AM
How many times does Newtek have to ban you?

Infinity...



the grass is sas, the roots are polys, and the leaves are subd polys with mapped leaves and displacement...

lightripple
04-16-2008, 12:22 PM
nice meglo... A bit too clean, but very nice!
You have earned the right to trash talk me as much as you like!:thumbsup:
sorry about the spelling... Not my strong spot!

Chilton
04-16-2008, 01:00 PM
lightripple,

Have you joined the Open Beta program? If not, you should consider it. There's a lot going on behind the scenes in LightWave's development, and that's where you get to see it first.

-Chilton

lightripple
04-16-2008, 01:07 PM
As I said earlier... When I installed the second beta, I get a crash when I use GI on any scene. So I stopped using it.
I cant get to the beta forum, but I did send the report in.

RudySchneider
04-16-2008, 01:10 PM
I find the dichotomy in the threads where lightripple/bryphi/??? posts to be most interesting. I can cite several of his posts that are very civil, informative, and quite constructive, such as here. And then there are others where a melee ensues. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I contend that, just as it takes TWO to tango, it's very difficult for one berate oneself (bipolarism not withstanding).

On the otherhand, it should be relatively easy --- and almost expected --- for anyone on these forums to tolerate a bit of frivoulous and innocent banter and chiding (as opposed to direct insults or other questioning of one's character). Where to draw the line?

I'm certain this post, while I consider it pertinent, will be lost and/or ignored by most other forum members. Wonder why I bother(?).

Steamthrower
04-16-2008, 03:10 PM
I don't think it's lost at all. You make some good points. And I must confess that I am sometimes totally perplexed as to Bryphi's posts. I mean, earlier today he was putting a "racist + gay" label on me, of which I am neither, and yet now he's complimenting Megalodon's modeling...admitting that Megalodon has the right to trash-talk him...I mean, I like this new incarnation rather better, but it's still odd to me.

Hazing folks and giving them hard times is a way of life. Anyone in any group experiences this. It's fun. The "line" that is there is only found by experience.

hrgiger
04-16-2008, 03:18 PM
I see Wavemaster(lighttripple) is back. I can't believe he's managed 65 posts and hasn't been banned yet again. Oh well, he's well on his way.

lightripple
04-16-2008, 03:36 PM
I see Wavemaster(lighttripple) is back. I can't believe he's managed 65 posts and hasn't been banned yet again. Oh well, he's well on his way.

me either...

RudySchneider
04-16-2008, 04:29 PM
And I said I would not comment again. Darn it!

I understand, and I can appreciate your perspective, Megalodon. You just couldn't help yourself.

Truth is, since I'm just a LW hobbyist, I generally just scroll (not troll) through the forums, and restrain myself from needless posts, even though I fail to understand why we can't all just "be adults." Ego is a very hard demon with which to deal.

lightripple
04-16-2008, 04:50 PM
it takes 2 to tango... or in this case 20.
All this is over me saying that I thought inigos post was racist.
I don't think he is racist or gay, but I do think his post was a bit un thought out... I am guilty of posting without thinking more then anyone...so I understand completely! Its over with!!!

RudySchneider
04-16-2008, 06:21 PM
:agree:


I don't know about anyone else, but I take that as an acknowledgment of lightripple's comment.

Steamthrower
04-16-2008, 07:02 PM
I don't think he is racist or gay, but I do think his post was a bit un thought out... I am guilty of posting without thinking more then anyone...so I understand completely! Its over with!!!

Thanks for this post, Bryan. Perhaps my post could have indeed been worded more effectively; however my original point was that stereotypes tend to be true. Even, apparently, I fit into a stereotype (of a Midwestern conservative I guess :D).

I'll take your word for it; it's over with!

lightripple
04-16-2008, 07:15 PM
Thanks for this post, Bryan. Perhaps my post could have indeed been worded more effectively; however my original point was that stereotypes tend to be true. Even, apparently, I fit into a stereotype (of a Midwestern conservative I guess :D).

I'll take your word for it; it's over with!
Stereotypes are true I see people live up to them every day...me included!
I think ones goal in life should be to overcome their stereotype...


I was going to say this earlier, but I didnt want to prove your point...
I am German and Italian, and I am an programmer /artist...:D

RudySchneider
04-16-2008, 09:06 PM
... I am German and Italian, and I am an programmer /artist...:D


Aha, the German part I can identify with --- stubborn and perfectionist. As far as the Italian part, there are SO MANY stereotypes that one could be tempted to apply. I'll just say that my late wife and I HAD to have our daily Gelato fix when we toured there years ago.

Steamthrower
04-16-2008, 09:17 PM
German and English here - and somewhere in there are both French and Italian genes, which I suppose is why I'm studying art and doing graphic design. The English provides me with some sort of sense of humor (admittedly very twisted and demonic) and the German lets me be an extremely annoying perfectionist, like Rudy said.

beverins
04-17-2008, 07:46 AM
Stereotypes are true I see people live up to them every day...me included!
I think ones goal in life should be to overcome their stereotype...


I was going to say this earlier, but I didnt want to prove your point...
I am German and Italian, and I am an programmer /artist...:D

So learn LW's SDK and make us some cool plugins that address LW's deficiencies. You will make a ton of money in the process. ^_~

Dexter2999
04-17-2008, 08:38 AM
I'm not trying to stir up something that has already been deemed over, but I came into this conversation late so I hope you will cut me some slack.

The point about being good at coding and not at art is more about left brained vs. right brained people. India and Asian cultures in general have very rich art cultures. However, the computer field tends to draw logic driven personalities. Just because a person is good with computers and can code and understand networking and file trees, doesn't mean they have the inate (or developed) sense of aesthetics that an artist needs.

This isn't just computer art. I work with entertainment technicians. Some audio guys have a great ear and can make room sing but if something goes wrong they may not be able to fix it. Other audio guys can wire up a system and if something goes wrong fix it inside of two minutes, and these guys don't always have the best mix. Same kind of thing goes for lighting, and video. I mean I do editing and computer graphics as a video guy, but I will tell anyone who asks that I am not very good with a camera.

Anyway, my point is that lumping people together because they have a commonality will usualy result in surprises. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. This applies to ethnic stereotypes as well as professional ones.