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IMI
03-16-2008, 10:03 AM
I know people are almost as sick of SPAM discussions as they are false 9.5 sightings...
It's been said by some these are bots with image reading scripts to get past the signup protection and by others these are actual people taking the time to sign up manually.
Would it be possible to create some sort of filter that simply doesn't allow a post to be made if it contains certain keywords common to the spammer language? You know, porn, meds, viagra, sex and so on... Not blocking the words out with asterisks, but simply denying the post.

I really can't remember the last legitimate LW post I saw that began with "gay lesbian porn sex use viagra cyalis meds!!!"

hrgiger
03-16-2008, 10:26 AM
You would think it would be easy to disable the controls or giving people the ability to put links into their posts before a certain post count has been reached.

IMI
03-16-2008, 10:36 AM
That's probably an even better idea. I guess the question would be whether or not the forum software is capable of that. I'd have no idea.

cagey5
03-16-2008, 11:04 AM
There seems to be plenty of useful info on vbulletins own forums. This one mentions a plug-in that can be added that will search posts for spam terms and pass them on to a mod for approval before posting.
It can be limited to scan only new users so after someone has successfully posted a set number of time then their posts will no longer be scanned.

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=131568

Jim_C
03-16-2008, 11:07 AM
reported

mykyl
03-16-2008, 12:05 PM
There are plenty ways to avoid spam on vbulletin forums. It just depends I guess how urgent Newtek feels they need to get a grip of the rubbish being posted here.

Cheers

Mike R

mattclary
03-16-2008, 02:22 PM
It just depends I guess how urgent Newtek feels they need to get a grip of the rubbish being posted here.


The roadmap indicates this issue will be addressed in LightWave 11.x

globalnode
03-16-2008, 02:32 PM
If thats what the roadmap says, then it will be LW 13...:)

Steamthrower
03-16-2008, 03:07 PM
I've run or co-run multiple forums before, some with thousands of posts and hundreds of active users. We've found that the best way to combat spam is (in order from best to worst):

1. Manual admin/mod approval of users. This has a literal 100% security rate. I have never seen spam slip through this. However this is totally too overwhelming for a forum the size of Newtek's, and there's always the off chance that nobody approves a user with a weird and meaningless name (like inigo07 for example).

2. Question/answer. When directly related to the forum's subject, this works almost perfectly as well. For example, here, we'd have a question: "Which company makes Lightwave?" and the registree would select (out of the three options PepsiCo, Wal-Mart, and Newtek) the appropriate answer. Even a relatively innocuous question like "What does Amy Winehouse do?" would reduce spam. Of course the answer there is "drink".

3. Image verification. This ain't great. It will block maybe half of your bots, but most will get through and all your manual signups will get through. Doesn't hurt to have it though. But heck, sometimes I can't figure out what the letters are.

4. Rendering of a dead spammer lying in an alley in a pool of blood. Well, okay, it wouldn't phase 'em, but it'd still be cool.

brian.coates
03-16-2008, 05:14 PM
The worst part of this is the fact that spammers also seem to be phishing email addresses off this forum.

I have several email addresses and the one I have listed here is literally the ONLY one that gets spammed. Initially it was just ads for OEM graphics software but now it's the full ensemble, (photoshop, viagra, penis enlargement etc.) so my address has obviously been sold on to other spammers.

Again, of all the 3D/graphics/architecture forums I visit regularly it's literally ONLY Newtek's that has a problem with spam postings as well, which suggests to me that this is where the spammers found my address.

A simple screening/waiting period technique would definitely help solve the problem, at least partially.

Steamthrower
03-16-2008, 05:20 PM
Yeah, all of the sudden I started getting all these intriguing financial offers from the sons of deposed dictators in Africa. I mean, cool, yes I'd like to get $9.5m for helping someone out, and I'd always like a 33% share in some Nigerian preacher's diamond mines, but I'm busy these days and can't take up any old offer.

All these financial schemes started coming not long after I signed up on these boards. Since, I switched my address to Gmail which does an excellent job of trashing spam, but for a while there it was pretty comical.

mykyl
03-16-2008, 05:36 PM
Like you I have switched my email address on these forums as I only allow responsible forums access to my main account. :D

By the way I notice that there are usually a number of views on each of those obviously spam posts before they get taken down.

In future DON'T. To be honest there should be one view and that is from whoever reports it.

Cheers

Mike R

loki74
03-16-2008, 05:57 PM
This is getting out of hand... I think this latest round has been worse than most of the others b/c there are actually images embedded. What a problem...

IMI
03-16-2008, 05:57 PM
Even a relatively innocuous question like "What does Amy Winehouse do?" would reduce spam. Of course the answer there is "drink".


:ohmy: :lol:

I hardly get any spam at all, and when I do, oddly enough most of them are from people trying to sell me fake Rolex watches. I have no idea why - I guess somewhere along the way I caught the attention of the watch impersonators. But I have 5 Comcast email addies, which get spammed pretty much equally, although again, very little. Comcast has some pretty good spam filtering.

Come to think of it, Newegg spams me more than anyone, but I guess I signed up for that. ;)

mykyl
03-16-2008, 06:03 PM
If you open that thread and view these images are they linked back to their servers or locally uploaded? If they are linked images (As they usually are) then each person that views them is giving them more reason to come back and get more hits. Don't give them reason to keep coming back.

Mike R

brian.coates
03-16-2008, 06:47 PM
If they are linked images (As they usually are) then each person that views them is giving them more reason to come back and get more hits. Don't give them reason to keep coming back.

Good point. Treat them like fatty foods and avoid.

Steamthrower
03-16-2008, 07:01 PM
Yeah, those images/links are probably hotlinked from their own site which is equipped with download trackers.

Opening those threads just reports back to them that "hey, look, 170 people opened our spam at newtek.com, that's a good target, let's hit there again."

What kills me is that they wouldn't be doing this if it didn't actually work.

Yes, some idiots buy Rolex watches from them.

Yes, some morons think that Djubai from Nigeria is really in trouble.

Yes, some people order "meds" online.

It just cracks me up to think about the poor suffrin' fools who are gullible and senile enough to trust spam...

MooseDog
03-16-2008, 10:17 PM
i'll second the vote for gmail.

my inbox spam is pretty much non-existent. the resources they have to throw into user experience are without equal and comitment, and it shows (or doesn't :) ).

Dodgy
03-16-2008, 11:57 PM
There is some suggestion that spam bots are using people to crack verification images, either paying them a dollar or so per image (in places like Russia), or reposting the image the BB posts to the login page of a porn page, then taking what the user types and filling the fields. Asking questions relevant to this board would break this as, for example, very few (non CG) people know that LightWave is made by NT.

IMI
03-17-2008, 02:09 PM
Yes, some morons think that Djubai from Nigeria is really in trouble.


You mean he's not?
I mean... yeah, those damn idiots!

akademus
03-17-2008, 04:47 PM
You mean he's not?
I mean... yeah, those damn idiots!

I think he's fine. His uncle deceased the other day and he will most likely find the way to transfer all those millions :thumbsup:

IMI
03-17-2008, 04:49 PM
I think he's fine. His uncle deceased the other day and he will most likely find the way to transfer all those millions :thumbsup:

I certainly hope so!
I mean... for his sake, that is. I have no personal stake in it at all. ;)

Steamthrower
03-17-2008, 07:08 PM
...besides that $5,000 you sent him for "starters".

IMI
03-17-2008, 07:51 PM
...besides that $5,000 you sent him for "starters".


$5,000... is that what it cost you, you lucky, lucky bastard?

Sometimes I lay awake at night dreaming it was only 5000....

They must think the sun shines out your @ss! They must think you're lord gawd almighty...
:D

Dodgy
03-17-2008, 10:42 PM
'Arf a schekel for an ex-leper?

PhantomPhish
03-24-2008, 06:50 PM
I tagged about 8 new spam threads today within the space of about an hour, I come back and hrgiger has tagged another four, this is ridiculous...

Hopper
03-24-2008, 07:15 PM
Yup. He was beating me to them. They are the only "free" sarcasm I can spout without getting bitched at.. :D

I once replied with a "I can't find the page to give my bank account information. Can you please send me a page I do this with?" Of course I gave an email address I created just for spam...

5 minutes...


10 minutes...


20 minutes...


...

They sent one!!!! HAH!!

So feel free to leave them a "Reported" message with what you really think. They read them.