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Andyjaggy
03-06-2008, 10:16 AM
Rotoscoping.

clumsycloudy
03-06-2008, 10:20 AM
brussels sprouts.

caccipergolo
03-06-2008, 10:20 AM
me too

clumsycloudy
03-06-2008, 10:25 AM
i hate you for saying that..

caccipergolo
03-06-2008, 10:26 AM
and i hate you for posting before me

clumsycloudy
03-06-2008, 10:30 AM
now you hate brussels sprouts and me. andy just hates rotoscoping

caccipergolo
03-06-2008, 10:32 AM
well, i hate rotoscoping too, don't even know what are brussels sprouts...

edit: k now i know what they are, and i like them!!!(no wait not true but i still hate you for posting before me!)

Andyjaggy
03-06-2008, 10:33 AM
And both of you for hijacking my thread with brussel sprouts.

clumsycloudy
03-06-2008, 10:34 AM
ok, back to rotoscoping... spill your guts andy

UnCommonGrafx
03-06-2008, 10:35 AM
Hate the shot/shooter. Rotoscoping is the innocent here.
It's just the messenger. ;) Screaming at you everytime, "Boy, they didn't shoot this right, huh?"
I guess it could be something of an instigator...

Steamthrower
03-06-2008, 10:36 AM
Do you really hate it that much? I like it.

Is your plate HD, DV, 2K?

Andyjaggy
03-06-2008, 10:37 AM
Imagine a shot with a guy in the distance blurred out and running through a thick canopy of bushes and trees, finally getting right up close to the camera. He then stops and breaths heavily, panting, and shaking, with his hair flapping all over the place in the wind. Then imagine he is holding an object wrapped in cloth that is also blowing and flapping as he runs through the trees.

androidmaker
03-06-2008, 10:38 AM
I hate People that hate... wait that must mean I hate myself! never mind

Steamthrower
03-06-2008, 10:38 AM
What part of that are you rotoscoping?

Andyjaggy
03-06-2008, 10:39 AM
The guy and the bag.

Andyjaggy
03-06-2008, 10:40 AM
The good thing is there is so much movement it is rather forgiving with all the MB and DOF.

clumsycloudy
03-06-2008, 10:42 AM
so render in passes, wouldnt it be nice to just have layermanagement in layout...

Steamthrower
03-06-2008, 10:47 AM
All I can recommend from my experience (DV and HD only) is with tricky shots like these, use that blur and use that shake. Make your whole plate jitter if you can.

How much does this guy interact with the environment, i.e. feet on ground?

Andyjaggy
03-06-2008, 11:04 AM
There isn't any 3D involved in the shot. It's a day to night conversion and we want specific control over the guy to isolate him from the rest of the scene.

Whelkn
03-06-2008, 11:06 AM
Well you'll really hate roto when you have a lame roto department and you have a shot due for a screening in a few hours and you realize YOU have to roto over 20 trees in a crazy camera move filled shot. Good times

Matt
03-06-2008, 11:09 AM
The guy and the bag.

You want to see the most beautiful thing I've ever filmed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDXjnW3nIWg

:D

Andyjaggy
03-06-2008, 11:12 AM
Please don't tell me you had to roto that bag :)

Matt
03-06-2008, 11:24 AM
Please don't tell me you had to roto that bag :)

That wasn't the hard part, it was holding back the tears!

:D

Andyjaggy
03-06-2008, 11:26 AM
Yeah roto. Sigh. This is only my second time every doing it too so I'm really slow at it and have been working on this shot for almost 3 days.

Lightwolf
03-06-2008, 11:50 AM
Actually... I like roto work. It is so ... relaxing ... calming. I just need to make sure I don't fall asleep ;)

Cheers,
Mike

Captain Obvious
03-06-2008, 11:53 AM
I actually like rotoscoping. I can sit there in fullscreen Shake and just work away. It's meditative. Usually when I work, people keep bothering me with questions like "how do I do this" and "how do I do that" -- when I work in Shake, it's usually on something with a really tight deadline and nobody is allowed to talk to me. It's brilliant! :)

wellsichris
03-06-2008, 11:59 AM
Andy...have you ever tried mocha... it can make roto a lot less painful

Steamthrower
03-06-2008, 02:03 PM
Andy...have you ever tried mocha... it can make roto a lot less painful

Naw, he uses Movie Studio Home Video Explosion Plus...

Actually I've heard great things about Mocha. Apparently they used it to good effect in POC3.

Andyjaggy
03-06-2008, 02:11 PM
Nope never tried mocha, i'm only allowed to use Shake ;)

Jim_C
03-06-2008, 02:14 PM
You want to see the most beautiful thing I've ever filmed?



I hate that he is actually not 'filming' a thing.

wellsichris
03-06-2008, 02:52 PM
Mocha is the best roto tool I've used. next I would say Fusion, It tracks each point, and then as things drift off and you adjust them it sets a key, but the tracker and the manual adjustments are separate keys. so if it drifts off over 15 frames. and I correct it at frame 15 when it is a ways off. it makes it so that it's actually one in those in between frames. Actually Andy since you are probably being paid by the hour I wouldn't worry about it... the longer it takes you in shake the better, ;) but for your own projects I would highly recommend it. also as a freelancer they will sell it to you for $300. instead of the $3,000 they advertise. they only do this for freelancers. and you have to ask nicely but they tend to do it. Also for certain tracking things it can be awesome. corner pin tracking things.

cheers,

Chris

Andyjaggy
03-06-2008, 02:59 PM
This is for the MPS so it is by the hour. :) If I ever have a large roto job to do as a freelancer I will definitely check it out, thanks for the tip. You get my email?

Hopper
03-06-2008, 05:37 PM
I hate the lady tied up in my basement. She's a noisy one.

Andyjaggy
03-06-2008, 05:54 PM
I hate the way the flash library doesn't scroll and makes it a pain in the butt to move stuff around.

faulknermano
03-07-2008, 12:02 AM
how long is the sequence you're rotoscoping?

caccipergolo
03-07-2008, 02:17 AM
well, i don't know why are you hating rotoscoping...
try to do something really really more simple in Mirage...
then you can hate rotoscoping!!!

Iain
03-07-2008, 04:03 AM
I hate the lady tied up in my basement. She's a noisy one.

Gaffer tape will sort that. Or is she flailing? Only heavy rope stops flailing.

Steamthrower
03-07-2008, 07:11 AM
Mocha only costs $300 for freelancers?

Man. I am seriously looking into that.

wellsichris
03-07-2008, 09:13 AM
inigo, yeah they run specials every once in a while with a promo code. that give you 90% off as a freelancer. when I found out about mocha I missed the promo so contacted them saying please, please, please.. and he gave me a promo code that was valid for like 3 days ;) anyway. yeah mocha at 3k not so good. mocha at 300, much better.

they do the promo several times a year. well probably 3 times I've seen it this last year. essentially they want freelancers to get addicted to it and go tell studios that then have to shell out the 3k. but yeah just ask nice and they probably will,

Chris

Andyjaggy
03-07-2008, 09:22 AM
I would be willing to shell out 300 for it. Mind sending me an email next time you see the promo on?

Vong
03-07-2008, 11:12 AM
I hate cats!













Okay, not really.... But it did get your attention, didn't it?!?! :)

Andyjaggy
03-07-2008, 11:14 AM
I really don't like cats either. Until a cat will go hiking and camping with me they don't have a place in my home :D

Vong
03-07-2008, 11:19 AM
I'm sure a cat would love to go hiking and camping... You take them, they'll go. Just don't plan on them coming home with you though! :D

JeffrySG
03-07-2008, 04:31 PM
Gaffer tape will sort that. Or is she flailing? Only heavy rope stops flailing.
I love gaffers tape. Especially, gray gaffers tape. Don't ask me why.

Exception
03-07-2008, 04:51 PM
I hate making watertight STL's.

SO MUCH!

Hopper
03-07-2008, 05:32 PM
Gaffer tape will sort that. Or is she flailing? Only heavy rope stops flailing.
The chains seem to be working well. I'll have to look into the Gaffer's tape. I'm using racing tape at the moment (basically duct tape that's shiny and sticks to fiberglass) - but she keeps eating through it. Is Gaffer's tape tasty? :D

Iain
03-07-2008, 05:37 PM
Ah see chains are heavy and noisy. Rope is quiet.

This is your mother in law, right? I can only endorse the use of these products on mothers in law, I'm afraid.

Hopper
03-07-2008, 05:40 PM
Ah see chains are heavy and noisy. Rope is quiet.

This is your mother in law, right? I can only endorse the use of these products on mothers in law, I'm afraid.

Well .. I have to give her the basic amenities you know .. toothbrush, cup, and Whitestar's patented "Mother-In-Law" toilet paper. :D

Wickster
03-07-2008, 06:38 PM
Isn't there an inexpensive plugin for shake. I seem to remmber it was made by Apple...I'm pretty sure its cheap cause I almost bought it when I thought I had to roto something for a wedding video a friend of mine was working on.

ack I can't think of how much it was.

anyway the plugin was called "iQuit"

:D

lesterfoster
03-07-2008, 08:13 PM
I don’t quite understand what “Mocha” is.

Is this “Mocha”?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0E-0ntoNWo

AbnRanger
03-08-2008, 12:18 AM
I don’t quite understand what “Mocha” is.

Is this “Mocha”?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0E-0ntoNWoAndy's fat cat would like to catch him wandering about the house, I bet... :D

Can't have a Mocha Shake?
http://www.imagineersystems.com/products/mocha/

Speedmonk42
03-08-2008, 12:30 AM
There was this kid at work who truly thought he invented something by mixing 1/2 coffee and 1/2 hot chocolate.

He was very disappointed to find out what a Mocha was.

Steamthrower
03-08-2008, 08:29 AM
A coworker recently sat down at his desk all excited: "Hey, look at this! Instead of pouring hot water into cocoa mix, pour coffee into it! It's amazing!"

I mean, perhaps so, but it's not exactly a groundbreaking discovery, is it? At least it's cheaper than Starbucks.

KevinL
03-10-2008, 09:34 PM
Being in the middle of rotoscoping a particularly nasty bit of business.
I
Hate
Rotoscoping !

Kevin