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prospector
02-21-2008, 01:53 AM
Ok, these are TOP SECRET and your computer must be destroyed after viewing.


First...FiberFX
Works thru glass, reflections AND my favorite..CCTV
Scene was by someone else who I don't know if they want name mentioned so I will let them do it if desired. My contribution was the CCTV part as seen in plate on right.

Lewis
02-21-2008, 01:58 AM
Hmmm, what a heck is that :D ? Looks cool :).

Mitja
02-21-2008, 01:59 AM
First...FiberFX
Works thru glass, reflections AND my favorite..CCTV

Does it mean that it's a sort of raytrace or a post/pixel filter? But, wait a moment, if cctv is your work it means you know something more about 9.5: so, could you tell us something more?
btw, I'll keep my mouth shut!:thumbsup:

prospector
02-21-2008, 02:02 AM
something completly amazing
Glass ball, hair ball, mirror ball, my CCTV screen.

can see hair thru glass WITH refraction
can see hair in reflection ball
can see all that in CCTV screen

AND


Reflection of CCTV screen in mirror ball


How great is that?????????

Lewis
02-21-2008, 02:09 AM
Where did you get that image man, it's really cool if Hair and fur now can be seen on reflections also :). You have insider :D? send him some questions about IES renders :D.

prospector
02-21-2008, 02:12 AM
Lewis, I'm afraid
Allowed to use pics now but anything else and Newtek will send someone around in black suits and I will go missing.

Lewis
02-21-2008, 02:15 AM
Hehehe so when MiB come prospector will be MIA :D :D?

prospector
02-21-2008, 02:17 AM
BYA :D :thumbsup:

prospector
02-21-2008, 02:45 AM
couple of tests
first just basic wig for my girl

then I went crazy and said to myself...SELF!!!, I need hair like the movie '10'
for those old enough to remember you know what I mean.

prospector
02-21-2008, 02:46 AM
Yes!!! beads that follow dynamics of hair exactly...now how cool is that???
I wouldn't use so many in real situation but this was just to see if possable.
Render time was about 45 sec

geothefaust
02-21-2008, 02:53 AM
Is this really from 9.5?

prospector
02-21-2008, 03:21 AM
just tests, but yes

Dirk
02-21-2008, 03:24 AM
...please, more pics .

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Lewis
02-21-2008, 03:27 AM
No way, that can't be true, I bet prospector is making this in Photoshop or Paint and just teasing us :D?

Kuzey
02-21-2008, 03:27 AM
Super coolness...can you post a pic with the wig on the your female model, I'll like to see how it looks combined together....if you know what I mean :heart: :heart:

Kuzey

philraimbault
02-21-2008, 03:49 AM
I hope shading should be similar as sasquach in term of quality and also area lights are supported.
Philippe

prospector
02-21-2008, 04:02 AM
have cleaned off compy but found early test to use with dynamics.

prospector
02-21-2008, 04:04 AM
others should start posting other stuff. I'm spending most of time on dynamics tests, but some AMAZING pics should start coming out.
This is only other I could find on my comp.
Don't usually save testing renders.

Sorry

prospector
02-21-2008, 04:07 AM
oops, here's one while I was Building wig. Just checking where I needed more strands

kfinla
02-21-2008, 04:12 AM
Thanks for these prospector ... does this hair show up in fprime?

Darth Mole
02-21-2008, 04:18 AM
Is this all done in Layout - or, like Sasquatch, does it need to be set-up first in Modeller?

prospector
02-21-2008, 04:20 AM
dunno, don't have it

Here is test I just did, wig only, but think of Johnny Flame, this looks weird as avi....IT'S BURNIN !!!

prospector
02-21-2008, 04:39 AM
or, like Sasquatch, does it need to be set-up first in Modeller?
Need to build wig in modeler, but it's much much easier than SAS

Mitja
02-21-2008, 04:46 AM
It's a pixel filter/post process: yes or no? Or it's kind of secret?

prospector
02-21-2008, 04:46 AM
OK been up for 23 hours now and wife thinks I am crazy, so last test for night.
building this wig and looks as if I need a few more strands on head section so hair doesn't have to be so thick.

prospector
02-21-2008, 04:48 AM
no, can't be post as it's in render pipeline to be reflected and put into CCTV and also calculated in refractions.

Mitja
02-21-2008, 04:50 AM
So, there's a hope it works with FPrime! What about GI: it's supported?

*Pete*
02-21-2008, 05:00 AM
i seriously doubt that those are from 9.5...but looks cool none the less.

DogBoy
02-21-2008, 05:10 AM
Single sphere light and 3 bounce FG radiosity. The soft shadows are lovely.

mav3rick
02-21-2008, 05:19 AM
u damn insiders :P show us more than... what to heck we will protect u... there is lot more of us than them :P

Darth Mole
02-21-2008, 05:21 AM
How come all this beta stuff is appearing in the non-beta forums? Not that I mind - it's very exciting!

However, so far, if I'm honest, FiberFX ain't looking that hot. Doesn't look a patch on Sasquatch so far...

Iain
02-21-2008, 05:25 AM
However, so far, if I'm honest, FiberFX ain't looking that hot. Doesn't look a patch on Sasquatch so far...

Hard to tell from what's been posted, I reckon but this is all coming across a bit like them and us, no?

Bitter, Edinburgh
:hey:

Dirk
02-21-2008, 05:29 AM
Can somebody give a hint what these joint-bones are all about?

mav3rick
02-21-2008, 05:35 AM
thats bones with joints
:)

Darth Mole
02-21-2008, 05:46 AM
Like C4D?

(Sorry, Iain. Don't quite follow - us and them? You mean the beta-testers and non-beta testers?)

serge
02-21-2008, 05:54 AM
More lovely soft shadowing from spherical lighs in this quick test.
Wow! Pretty!

Iain
02-21-2008, 05:54 AM
(Sorry, Iain. Don't quite follow - us and them? You mean the beta-testers and non-beta testers?)

Yeah people are already showing glimpses of lovely stuff and I've only just noticed the press release!
(I'm always a week or two behind right enough.)

Darth Mole
02-21-2008, 05:55 AM
Wow... awesome. That's really nice! Render time?

MORE!!!!

Iain
02-21-2008, 05:55 AM
More lovely soft shadowing from spherical lighs in this quick test.

The falloff on those shadows looks amazing.

serge
02-21-2008, 06:02 AM
So, guys (Prospector, Dogboy, Neverko), amongst the betatesters there are a few who had the privilege of testing and posting some 9.5 stuff? Is that correct?

ufo3d
02-21-2008, 06:04 AM
More lovely soft shadowing from spherical lighs in this quick test.

how long did it take to render this pic?

Mitja
02-21-2008, 06:15 AM
So far I've seen hair/fur and spherical lights/radiosity/nice shadows: does hair and fur work with radiosity and all the new stuff?

Phil
02-21-2008, 06:16 AM
If it's FF4-derived, then yes. FF4 natively supported GI in later updates.

mav3rick
02-21-2008, 06:19 AM
prospector can u show us examples with MORE density ... i mean your characters are almost bald

Mitja
02-21-2008, 06:28 AM
prospector can u show us examples with MORE density ... i mean your characters are almost bald
Prospector went to bed (after 23hours of testing), had to obey his wife, I guess. :D

serge
02-21-2008, 06:28 AM
prospector can u show us examples with MORE density ... i mean your characters are almost bald
And please show a closeup of good looking hair in a reflective and behind a refractive surface. That hair in the first picture looks awful.

mav3rick
02-21-2008, 06:29 AM
oki next stuff i am interested is fp 3.2 working with 9.5 feature updates

Jure
02-21-2008, 06:32 AM
Anything new about instancing in 9.5?

mav3rick
02-21-2008, 06:36 AM
no instancing as u can read from announcment.

neverko beforu u hide answer to my question regarding fprim 3.2

Direwolf_NL
02-21-2008, 06:37 AM
No instancing in 9.5.


And i can't believe people buy these images. Nice joke btw....

mav3rick
02-21-2008, 06:39 AM
No instancing in 9.5.


And i can't believe people buy these images. Nice joke btw....


which one particularly ?

neverko example seems fairly nice others need fair amount of work to show up.

Direwolf_NL
02-21-2008, 06:41 AM
I meant i can't believe you think this is Lw9.5.

All this could be easily achieved with 9.3 and/or photoshop.


Newtek would not let anybody else then the ordinary staff post anything regarding to 9.5.

cresshead
02-21-2008, 06:42 AM
so ARE these 9.5 piks or are some people with fiber factory yanking our chains?:question:

Darth Mole
02-21-2008, 06:49 AM
If these are fakes, you guys really need to get out more.

mav3rick
02-21-2008, 06:51 AM
fiber factory (furfx) can be faked with latest of FF build.. and those examples doesnt seems any diff than FF renders. as i said i would put more effort in examples of FF. even corect rendered FUR ball is lot more exciting than anything done in 10 minutes.... bad thing is sasq 10 minute furball looks already exciting. neverko could also fake those but if he does :) better to not tell him what we will do to him. as darth mole told :) guys you should play more but outside of forum

MooseDog
02-21-2008, 06:53 AM
...And i can't believe people buy these images. Nice joke btw....

i'm VERY cynical:help: , but am stunned that someone believes this effort to be fake. unless they're absolutely suicidal, active members of this community would not post up fake 9.5 renders.

Iain
02-21-2008, 06:54 AM
If these are fakes, you guys really need to get out more.

I don't know. Compared to the usual forum 'jokes' (posting a blank image and asking for comments on a new transparency shader) this would be pretty sophisticated.

serge
02-21-2008, 06:56 AM
No instancing in 9.5...
Instancing is still on the roadmap for the 9.x cycle though. They could still fit it in 9.5 if possible.

Iain
02-21-2008, 07:00 AM
If Modeler isn't integrated into Layout in 9.5, I'm moving over to Truespace.

BazC
02-21-2008, 07:01 AM
There's no reason why NT wouldn't give beta testers permission to post some images, I don't doubt for a moment that these are 9.5 pics.

BazC
02-21-2008, 07:04 AM
If Modeler isn't integrated into Layout in 9.5, I'm moving over to Truespace.

I would think the chances of a fully integrated Modeler and Layout at this stage is practically zero. Maybe you might see a little more modelling functionality in Layout but I doubt even that.

Steamthrower
02-21-2008, 07:04 AM
I don't know. Compared to the usual forum 'jokes' (posting a blank image and asking for comments on a new transparency shader) this would be pretty sophisticated.

Hummph. I read that.

mav3rick
02-21-2008, 07:05 AM
If Modeler isn't integrated into Layout in 9.5, I'm moving over to Truespace.


than move on today :)

SecretSquirrel
02-21-2008, 07:13 AM
Now native in LightWave 9.5 ...

SecretSquirrel
02-21-2008, 07:15 AM
One more ...

Iain
02-21-2008, 07:24 AM
I would think the chances of a fully integrated Modeler and Layout at this stage is practically zero. Maybe you might see a little more modelling functionality in Layout but I doubt even that.

But they promised me!

Iain
02-21-2008, 07:24 AM
Hummph. I read that.

Hah-now that was funny! :thumbsup:

archijam
02-21-2008, 07:41 AM
If Modeler isn't integrated into Layout in 9.5, I'm moving over to Truespace.

Ah Truespace .. a company standing out in the industry by having the ugliest website in the business.

j.

art
02-21-2008, 07:48 AM
Apparently they are not even worried by LW, it does not even appear on their feature comparison table.

Now we have 3 people (one of them being a secret agent) posting images , maybe they are not fakes?


Ah Truespace .. a company standing out in the industry by having the ugliest website in the business.

j.

madkarma
02-21-2008, 07:49 AM
I"m checking in after reading about the hair n fur for lw.
But please tell me this isn't what current beta for fur looks like.
If this is what I've been waiting for for all these years I will become a full time alcoholic.

I hope mav3rick is right and its a joke,

dear god i hope it is.

mav3rick
02-21-2008, 07:49 AM
huh now that's quiet weird :P how many of you are there on 9.5 ..
SHOW YOURSELF MONSTERS

and whos secret... u re new on colony.... heh.... join date 21.2 :) identify yourzelf

Steamthrower
02-21-2008, 07:51 AM
One more ...

Is that a blowtorch flame?

BazC
02-21-2008, 07:54 AM
But they promised me!

LOL :D

Iain
02-21-2008, 07:56 AM
Apparently they are not even worried by LW, it does not even appear on their feature comparison table.



That's because Caligari are currently buying LightWave.

Once they have LW and Truespace, they plan to go head to head with Maya and Max.
Yep, you heard it here first. (Secret Squirrel told me, just before he worked out how to bodge Denis' IES plug in.)

Exception
02-21-2008, 08:16 AM
Secret squirrel!!

Steamthrower
02-21-2008, 08:21 AM
Secret Squirrel. Wonder who that is.

archijam
02-21-2008, 08:23 AM
What was ...

hmmm. Must have just imagined it.

Hi tom!

j.

Matt
02-21-2008, 08:26 AM
Wrong post!

Iain
02-21-2008, 08:30 AM
oops wrong user name.

Matt
02-21-2008, 08:31 AM
153 porn videos.

Yep, it was me posting all the porn links! :)

No I posted a reply to a different thread in this one! Doh!

Matt
02-21-2008, 08:32 AM
oops wrong user name.

Huh?

Iain
02-21-2008, 08:35 AM
Huh?

arrono

Steamthrower
02-21-2008, 08:37 AM
How about an actual nice render with the new fur/hair? Secret Squirrel? Who lives on Secret Street?

Exception
02-21-2008, 08:39 AM
What was ...

hmmm. Must have just imagined it.

Hi tom!

j.


Hi James!

Can I come and visit you for a few hours in a few weeks? And see your raisin?

archijam
02-21-2008, 08:43 AM
Yes. But I want to come to New York. When are you leaving that place?

JeffrySG
02-21-2008, 08:52 AM
Now native in LightWave 9.5 ...
lights look real nice...

now if you'd only lift off that mask of yours... lol

Red_Oddity
02-21-2008, 08:53 AM
That's because Caligari are currently buying LightWave.

Once they have LW and Truespace, they plan to go head to head with Maya and Max.
Yep, you heard it here first. (Secret Squirrel told me, just before he worked out how to bodge Denis' IES plug in.)

Well, they sure have the money, now that MS owns them.

JeffrySG
02-21-2008, 08:56 AM
Single sphere light and 3 bounce FG radiosity. The soft shadows are lovely.
looking really good.... how does the render time compare to using a small area light on a similar scene?

JeffrySG
02-21-2008, 08:57 AM
More lovely soft shadowing from spherical lighs in this quick test.
This looks really nice :) .... is the visible light source and glow generated from the sphere light with a flare on it?

prospector
02-21-2008, 09:19 AM
OK awake now, 4 hrs sleep is enough for anyone

prospector
02-21-2008, 09:22 AM
you guys are confused, I was just showing whats and not OOhhs, which is what I would be more interested in. Sure hair can be pretty and if I sat here and did all the lighting and backgrounds and texturing and SSS and measured each hair to put it in it's right place there would be OOhhss, but I would be more interested to see the whats.

Oh well

BazC
02-21-2008, 09:26 AM
you guys are confused, I was just showing whats and not OOhhs, which is what I would be more interested in. Sure hair can be pretty and if I sat here and did all the lighting and backgrounds and texturing and SSS and measured each hair to put it in it's right place there would be OOhhss, but I need to see the whats.

Oh well

For early posts I think it's looking pretty good so thanks Prospector! But how easy is it to use and how fast does it render? Is it a good solution or does it take a week of tweaking to get a decent render!?

BTW I understand if you're not prepared to answer that :D Doggone NDAs!

SecretSquirrel
02-21-2008, 09:27 AM
Just a simple test to highlight the improvements to the GI engine in 9.5.

Although coming in 3 secs later (in this test) it's clear to see the quality difference is worth the small wait, plus, I think I'm correct in saying that GI may well be optimised further before 9.5 is released.

JeffrySG
02-21-2008, 09:29 AM
^much better quality on that one!

Matt
02-21-2008, 09:29 AM
Just a simple test to highlight the improvements to the GI engine in 9.5.

Although coming in 3 secs later (in this test) it's clear to see the quality difference is worth the small wait, plus, I think I'm correct in saying that GI may well be optimised further before 9.5 is released.

This is great news!

Exception
02-21-2008, 09:34 AM
Yes. But I want to come to New York. When are you leaving that place?

Leaving beginning of June...

Andyjaggy
02-21-2008, 09:40 AM
More lovely soft shadowing from spherical lighs in this quick test.

That's pretty.

Lewis
02-21-2008, 09:42 AM
Secret animal - is that real IES file you've showing or youa re using Denis' IES_Map node plugin :D :D :)? Looks very cool.

prospector
02-21-2008, 09:44 AM
But how easy is it to use
extremely

Is it a good solution or does it take a week of tweaking to get a decent render!?

Actually the tweaks are easy

I just was more interested in the mirrors and the CCTV parts as that's what I would be using more.

As for render times....that depends

I do more video than stills (actually no stills),so there are things I do that won't show in video that DO show in stills and visa-versa so I don't really take the time to do good stills.

I suppose I could sit here and do a still shot with all the bells and whistles, 50 AA passes, put lights just right so highlites are just perfect, but then rendertimes would go sky-hi, but I am in the habit of doing 3 min or less renders so shortcuts that won't be seen in video anyways are used, and they showwhen I do do a still.
Sorry...just a habit

So rendertime can be extremely fast or they can be glacially slow depending on the look your after

Matt
02-21-2008, 09:45 AM
So when is the release date, anyone know?

BazC
02-21-2008, 09:48 AM
Cheers Prospector, that sounds reasonable :D Looking forward to playing with it!

Ivan D. Young
02-21-2008, 09:53 AM
Very nice preview there guys!:heart: I can't wait to get my turn at messing with this stuff. IES Lights are looking like they will be fantastic, and so will the Spherical light.

Anyone tell a diference with Multi Threaded Mesh Deofrmation yet?

Again great stuff, can't wait for my turn to try!

JeffrySG
02-21-2008, 09:53 AM
So when is the release date, anyone know?
Open Beta program is scheduled to begin early March

JeffrySG
02-21-2008, 09:56 AM
looks like we got moved into the OB forums.... :)

Ivan D. Young
02-21-2008, 10:02 AM
Hopefully this is proper communication on these beta-testers part, I think letting some images get up is a good thing. I feel really excited about this next release and I am starting to formulate some ideas for my own personal testing regime.

serge
02-21-2008, 10:22 AM
...I just was more interested in the mirrors and the CCTV parts as that's what I would be using more...
I couldn't really tell from the first picture you've posted, but does the hair reflection look like the actual hair, or is it a lesser quality volumetric solution like FF4?

gareee
02-21-2008, 10:46 AM
Interesting stuff...

prospector
02-21-2008, 10:50 AM
but does the hair reflection look like the actual hair,
amazingly yes
and CCTV relection looks the same when seen in the mirror ball.
So for me this part alone is worth all other new stuff put together.
Not to take away from other stuff mind you.

Steamthrower
02-21-2008, 10:58 AM
Seeing this seems to pop between from OB and normal, and my Open Beta permissions never seemed to work, I'll try to get a word in when I can.

The hair looks like geometry. Is it? And if so, does it have dynamics, i.e. can you apply wind to it?

Andyjaggy
02-21-2008, 11:01 AM
More please.

prospector
02-21-2008, 11:02 AM
And if so, does it have dynamics, i.e. can you apply wind to it?

any dynamics can be applied

jburford
02-21-2008, 11:04 AM
If Modeler isn't integrated into Layout in 9.5, I'm moving over to Truespace.


We will miss you Iain.... (seriously) guess MicroSoft will be happy though

Steamthrower
02-21-2008, 11:04 AM
any dynamics can be applied

Cool. Very cool.

prospector
02-21-2008, 11:08 AM
After playing with this FiberFX, it still is amazing the care taken to make sure everything works with all aspects of LW.
I haven't tried a Radiosity scene yet and will probably later.
But to have all this interlocked with LW so well is just the cats meow.

I don't think they did but it *seems* like they said..."OK what does prospector need for his hair solutions" and then made it happen.
Everything they did was just what I needed.

Andyjaggy
02-21-2008, 11:12 AM
Waiting for that radiosity test. If it does work that will be awesome. How did you get special enough to get your hand on 9.5 anyway......

Steamthrower
02-21-2008, 11:15 AM
Waiting for that radiosity test. If it does work that will be awesome. How did you get special enough to get your hand on 9.5 anyway......

Good script kiddy/hacker?

prospector
02-21-2008, 11:16 AM
How did you get special enough to get your hand on 9.5 anyway......
A lifetime supply of Krispy Kremes delivered to Newteks door every morning goes along way :D :thumbsup:
nuff' said

Hidden Halibut
02-21-2008, 11:21 AM
Hey looks like we're back again...
Must have been some heated debate over donuts over in the Nt office...

Here's a few 9.5 preview renders for a little animation (I'll post that later, if you're nice to fish from now on).
Motion blur, light incidence sensitive fur shading, real time world gravity, and 1m per frame (full aa + motion blur) on a dual core 6600.

Matt
02-21-2008, 11:30 AM
Hey looks like we're back again...
Must have been some heated debate over donuts over in the Nt office...

Here's a few 9.5 preview renders for a little animation (I'll post that later, if you're nice to fish from now on).
Motion blur, light incidence sensitive fur shading, real time world gravity, and 1m per frame (full aa + motion blur) on a dual core 6600.

That's looking nicer, is that GI in that scene?

serge
02-21-2008, 11:35 AM
amazingly yes
and CCTV relection looks the same when seen in the mirror ball.
So for me this part alone is worth all other new stuff put together.
Not to take away from other stuff mind you.
That's really great. As a Sasquatch owner I've been waiting for this for years, and never would have expected it to be in a free upgrade. Looking forward to the open beta! :)

Mitja
02-21-2008, 11:45 AM
I have to insist with this question (no one wants to answer...why?): Hair fur works with FPrime?

Andyjaggy
02-21-2008, 11:46 AM
I wouldn't count on it.

Ivan D. Young
02-21-2008, 11:47 AM
Holy Smokes, this thread keeps on moving. Maybe NT can't make up their mind. Hey, while your at it, how about you guys accidentially load 9.5 beta up so we can download and then accidentally remove it later? I won't tell anyone!

Steamthrower
02-21-2008, 11:48 AM
Andy: If it's geometry why not?

Mitja
02-21-2008, 11:51 AM
Andy: If it's geometry why not?
There's no point trying to guess...Prospector, SecretSq..something, or Neverko: answer, please, or I won't sleep tonight!

thekho
02-21-2008, 11:52 AM
FiberFX doesn't really impressed much to me! but i know they are in testing mode! I hope that they can develop much better in near future!

And Also Single Spherical lights, IES Lights and Improved GI all looks awesome!!!

calilifestyle
02-21-2008, 11:55 AM
Ok well this is freaking awesome. All i have to say is this will be the 1st time ill go ahead and install the beta.

Cageman
02-21-2008, 12:01 PM
FiberFX doesn't really impressed much to me! but i know they are in testing mode! I hope that they can develop much better in near future!

And Also Single Spherical lights, IES Lights and Improved GI all looks awesome!!!

To be honest I havn't seen that many impressive looking hair/fur renders from LW, whatever tools used. FibreFX looks like a first step and a GOOD first step; seems to be very well integrated! It can only get better so I'm not going to write it off yet. :)

cresshead
02-21-2008, 12:05 PM
so are these REAL renders from lw9.5 beta OR FAKES?

looks more like fiber factory output and ies cheats to me.

SecretSquirrel
02-21-2008, 12:07 PM
Secret animal - is that real IES file you've showing or youa re using Denis' IES_Map node plugin :D :D :)? Looks very cool.

Yes Lewis, these are real IES files that you can download from the internet, no need for Denis' IES node hack anymore (as cool and clever as it was).

But, no doubt he'll make full use of the improved SDK to bring us even better goodies once he gets his hands on it!

:D

Iain
02-21-2008, 12:08 PM
I feel like I'm tripping.:help:

Mitja
02-21-2008, 12:08 PM
So, at this point we have to ask ourselves: is there really a v9.5?

Steamthrower
02-21-2008, 12:11 PM
So, at this point we have to ask ourselves: is there really a v9.5?

Yes, but you must Sell Your Soul To Chuck In Order To Get It.

meathead
02-21-2008, 12:11 PM
If Modeler isn't integrated into Layout in 9.5, I'm moving over to Truespace.


Are you kidding me? This is the update people around here have been waiting for. Not a paid update either.

Seems like NT staff have been quiet/gone for some time...no wonder why?!?! This is a BIG update. I really thought much of this would not be touched until cycle 10 at earliest.

WOW!!! I have been away from the forum for a few weeks...to come back and see this just makes me giddy...I am blown away. WELL DONE NT, well done.

Mitja
02-21-2008, 12:12 PM
Yes, but you must Sell Your Soul To Chuck In Order To Get It.
How much, Chuck?! :D

Iain
02-21-2008, 12:17 PM
Are you kidding me? This is the update people around here have been waiting for. Not a paid update either.



My truespace comment was a joke based on the rantings of some bozo troll a few weeks ago.

I'm actually not at all bothered about integration :)

meathead
02-21-2008, 12:18 PM
I am confused, why is everyone so sure these are fakes or questioning it? Just go to LW homepage and there's a link to what will happen in v9.5.

http://www.newtek.com/news/pressrelease.php?viewpr=36


AGAIN, this is huge. HUGE!

meathead
02-21-2008, 12:20 PM
My truespace comment was a joke based on the rantings of some bozo troll a few weeks ago.

I'm actually not at all bothered about integration :)


Oh, sorry, I see the "I am switching to..." comments to much.

Sarcasm is always tough to get online.

Matt
02-21-2008, 12:20 PM
Yes Lewis, these are real IES files that you can download from the internet, no need for Denis' IES node hack anymore (as cool and clever as it was).

But, no doubt he'll make full use of the improved SDK to bring us even better goodies once he gets his hands on it!

:D

Freaking awesome!!!! I never thought NewTek would manage to crack this until much later on, shows some real progress under the hood! I bet it wasn't easy!

;)

SecretSquirrel
02-21-2008, 12:22 PM
Freaking awesome!!!! I never thought NewTek would manage to crack this until much later on, shows some real progress under the hood! I bet it wasn't easy!

;)

You have no idea! ;) But the Light API is truly a huge step forward, this feature alone is worth the 9.5 tag.

shepherd
02-21-2008, 12:34 PM
Hello All!
Let me put my two cents into the fun. Here are a few renders from the guinea pigs on my hard drive here in the Content Dev department.

54971

54972

StereoMike
02-21-2008, 12:37 PM
61 users in this thread, wow!

mike

Mitja
02-21-2008, 12:38 PM
Now 67!

meathead
02-21-2008, 12:40 PM
Wow, just wow, my jaw is still on the floor.


I have never been a gotta have it now beta guy, but now I have to have it.

Cageman
02-21-2008, 12:41 PM
You have no idea! ;) But the Light API is truly a huge step forward, this feature alone is worth the 9.5 tag.

I'm not going to pretend I'm a coder, but from what I've heard, this is one of the holy grails in LW; a usable API for lights. I read a comment from someone who had been told it was impossible to do in LW (way back though).

If the rumours of the past is true, you guys have done a great job; not just by providing this API, but with all the other advancements as well. :)

I'm looking forward to the OB! :) :lightwave

Steamthrower
02-21-2008, 12:43 PM
76 users on thread...man. This must be one of the hottest releases yet.

Steamthrower
02-21-2008, 12:44 PM
One thing. All this hair looks thick and wiry. Anybody done any hair that's actually fine and frizzy?

Mitja
02-21-2008, 12:47 PM
And anybody who has done any hair at all with 9.5 could please telll us if it shows in FPrime (again) ?

Larry_g1s
02-21-2008, 12:47 PM
Can someone explain simply IES lights and Light API?:help:

prospector
02-21-2008, 12:48 PM
Waiting for that radiosity test.
They are working

Tho adjustments are taking me in a direction I wouldn't have thought of going with reg lights. Exciting stuff here...
And render times are FASTER than reg lights...perfect

This leads me to think that all the radiosity pics with rooms can now have CARPETS......excellent

Still doing tests as these settings are strange compared to lights...getting a handle on them tho :)

suffice to say tho IT WORKS

prospector
02-21-2008, 12:51 PM
And anybody who has done any hair at all with 9.5 could please telll us if it shows in FPrime (again) ?
I don't have it...sorry

COBRASoft
02-21-2008, 12:55 PM
Hey,

Shepherd, can you please explain me the blocky look in the mirror? Or is it just me that's hallucinating?

Greetings,
Sigurd

P.S.: GIMME LW 9.5!!!! :D

Philbert
02-21-2008, 12:56 PM
Excellent looking renders guys. As much as I love characters I don't get to do them too much, Now I have more reasons to get back in to it!

arsad
02-21-2008, 12:57 PM
72

Cageman
02-21-2008, 12:57 PM
82

Iain
02-21-2008, 12:59 PM
I haven't really seen anything posted that justifies the excitement I'm feeling.

What was the criteria to get a copy of the beta? Knowing somebody who knows what hair is?

Mitja
02-21-2008, 12:59 PM
83! I win!

prospector
02-21-2008, 01:02 PM
These radiosity render times are just mindblowing.

The pic I did before befeore I went to bed was 8 min and some sec.
Too long for me and I would need to take some shortcuts for video rendertimes which could be lessened with real motion blur.

The radiosity tests so far are 40% less in rendertimes. Which for me means less shortcuts, better overall look (when doing the final render for video).
Looking at tests and times...I'm almost weeping

shepherd
02-21-2008, 01:03 PM
Heya CobraSoft, looks like I need to crank up the samplerate. When I get a chance to squeeze around my current projects Ill do some test renders. That and Ill remake the guides for the back of the head they are a little more busy than I wanted.

Chuck
02-21-2008, 01:05 PM
How much, Chuck?! :D

It's a free update for LightWave v9 owners, Mitja. :)

Hope you folks are enjoying the v9.5 images!

Skonk
02-21-2008, 01:08 PM
Kinda wish you'd not annouced it till the open beta was ready to open. All i can think about now is getting my hands on it... but i cant :(

kopperdrake
02-21-2008, 01:14 PM
Well that's official. NewTek are evil to the core. They let their little beta-puppets loose on the forums with their oh-so-tasty morsels screaming 'come and taste me', except we can't, not until beta is open.

Well it's worked, we're all lathered into a frenzy, I'm practically house-bound, stuck on a large froth-pool of my own making.

This is sick...really sick.

And I want more!! See what you people have done!! You should be ashamed!

mav3rick
02-21-2008, 01:15 PM
oki since i am about sure close beta was out for some time why dont u "special beta guys" show us all u rendered so far......
any1 can show us those character stuff enhances.

Hidden Halibut
02-21-2008, 01:16 PM
4 minutes at 1600x860, 4AA 0.02AS on a dual core 6600...
(image shown is reduced)
1 Light in scene.
not pre-baked.

Andyjaggy
02-21-2008, 01:17 PM
84 users.

serge
02-21-2008, 01:20 PM
One thing. All this hair looks thick and wiry. Anybody done any hair that's actually fine and frizzy?
In Shepherd's example the hair is just way too thick.

Judging some renders that Prospector posted it seems that the new Hair has potential to be (at least) as good as Sasquatch or Fiber Factory in terms of quality. The renders just lack AA and a good lighting setup (as he already stated).
And since the hair looks the same in reflections it's a big step forward from Fiber Factory 4. In other words, it seems like the best hair solution we have so far (and we don't have to pay for it).

zapper1998
02-21-2008, 01:24 PM
this cool







at the time 78 users

Andyjaggy
02-21-2008, 01:28 PM
Yeah all the hair so far has been really thick and wiry. I'm chalking it up to the fact these are all just tests. Don't get me wrong I'm excited but haven't seen any hair shots yet that make me go wow! that looks great.

JeffrySG
02-21-2008, 01:32 PM
Can someone explain simply IES lights and Light API?:help:
http://www.newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76343
This thread had a bunch of good info on IES files and lights.... worth a look...

mav3rick
02-21-2008, 01:43 PM
... I downloaded 9.5, but my license isnt there ? (only for beta phase 3 )


i am happy u were able to dl 9.5 but i am pretty sure u re lost in what u talk about :)

there is no 9.5 open beta . it was announced for early march

zapper1998
02-21-2008, 01:44 PM
Can we down load 9.5 ???????


Just curious ???

Mike

prospector
02-21-2008, 01:47 PM
Chuck
I think I need to let you know this.
There have been a few statements that there should be better pics posted and I would NEVER want to put LW in a bad light. If these that I show are not up to standards then feel free to remove the posts. I will not be upset.

As for others reading posts.

The pics I put up are NOT fullpage glossy photos, and others are starting to put those kind up and I'm glad they are.
I know FiberFX CAN do such fine hairs (like those on a babys head),as I have done a few renders before to test just how good it gets. And all I can say is amazing.

But I am more of an 'under the hood' guy and some of you may be also.
So I put quick photos of things that CAN be done now as compared to before.
Like the beads in hair...not a photorealistic pic but it shows it being done so others can say, "man, I can FINALLY do that". And the radiosity ones I am testing now aren't realistic photo quality, but they show it CAN be done.

It's one thing to say it can be done but another to show it. Then readers can say "yep, there's what I needed and with the right tweaking I could get JUST what I was looking for.

So please...don't go by my pics as it's the best that LW can do.
And if any of you say it's not good to show..I will stop and go onto stuff I NEED to get done.

snsmoore
02-21-2008, 01:55 PM
Thanks to everyone who posted pics and of course a big thanks for NewTek for allowing us to get this kind of preview!

:thumbsup:

zatara
02-21-2008, 02:03 PM
Can I download LW 9.5? Please!!!

Hidden Halibut
02-21-2008, 02:10 PM
I got some eye candy in the oven. Check back in 15 minutes.

dwburman
02-21-2008, 02:10 PM
yeah, Prospector. thanks for posting your tests.

now... just tell us if it works with fprime. ;)

cagey5
02-21-2008, 02:14 PM
I think you'll find he doesn't have fprime.

animotion
02-21-2008, 02:14 PM
I wonder what the criteria is for who gets to beta 9.5 now? I see that some beta testers have it and others don't. Is it just a random selection from NewTek? Chuck?.

mav3rick
02-21-2008, 02:20 PM
no the guys showing off are on close beta and they received 9.5 lot before....

tyrot
02-21-2008, 02:21 PM
dear animo

i m a true fanboy (even making lightwave songs) yet i have no 9.5 ...

probably they choose pre-OB users after long long tests...Your heart rate must be Ok...I mean if you get too excited, BAM, instant heartattack after seeing 9.5's cool features...you die, wife cries, NT gets sued, wife happy, second husband happy... not good...

i guess my heart is good though......

BEST

StereoMike
02-21-2008, 02:23 PM
meh - I'm a second class beta tester... I feel dirty....must wash away shame...gets even dirtier....more soap...

mike

gareee
02-21-2008, 02:24 PM
meh - I'm a second class beta tester... I feel dirty....

mike

That explains yer avatar....

I just feel left out in the cold...

BazC
02-21-2008, 02:27 PM
meh - I'm a second class beta tester... I feel dirty....must wash away shame...gets even dirtier....more soap...

mike

You're covered in green gunk, of course you feel dirty! :twak:

animotion
02-21-2008, 02:29 PM
Oh that explains it. I'm not close to beta anymore ever since HD came out.
Thanks I'm OK now.:)

gareee
02-21-2008, 02:29 PM
Only 3 minutes late, Baz! LOL!

tyrot
02-21-2008, 02:29 PM
dear garee

shhhhsh shhhhh

He is a Mad Mad guy..He was playing too much 3DBrush and ZBRUSH then one day....when he was shaving...he ....argh......he....made this on His Face with "a knife...and painted in green. ...

He is Dead Serious about displacement Mapping... I implored him, Mike Mike, please make a tatoo man....But ...you see ...i failed...oh God why why ...why !

Best

zapper1998
02-21-2008, 02:34 PM
funny

ROFLMAO



here

animotion
02-21-2008, 02:35 PM
But where is the black hole emulation engine. no one is complete without a black hole.:D

gareee
02-21-2008, 02:36 PM
dear garee

shhhhsh shhhhh

He is a Mad Mad guy..He was playing too much 3DBrush and ZBRUSH then one day....when he was shaving...he ....argh......he....made this on His Face with "a knife...and painted in green. ...

He is Dead Serious about displacement Mapping... I implored him, Mike Mike, please make a tatoo man....But ...you see ...i failed...oh God why why ...why !

Best

Reminds me of that gold sniffing guy on Fark posts...

gareee
02-21-2008, 02:39 PM
But where is the black hole emulation engine. no one is complete without a black hole.:D

Um... way too easy to twist to a comical reply.. Pass.

Larry_g1s
02-21-2008, 02:41 PM
http://www.newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76343
This thread had a bunch of good info on IES files and lights.... worth a look...Thanks, I'll check it out.

Steamthrower
02-21-2008, 02:42 PM
You're covered in green gunk, of course you feel dirty! :twak:

Yeah, is that guacamole? Is guacamole really supposed to give you a glowing complexion? What exactly possesses grown up adults to put Mexican food on their face, and then take a picture of themselves?

BazC
02-21-2008, 02:44 PM
Only 3 minutes late, Baz! LOL!

Yeah I'm getting slow in me old age! :D

animotion
02-21-2008, 02:44 PM
It puts him in a zen type meditative state.
Its also good for corns. :thumbsup:

Steamthrower
02-21-2008, 02:45 PM
Face corns. Great. Does 9.5 also have a corn shader?

animotion
02-21-2008, 02:46 PM
Now thats just corny!

tyrot
02-21-2008, 02:48 PM
dear inigo

Here, we do not interfere personal life of our LWfriends...

It could be beginning of a long vegy-vooogy-night...Who knows...

It starts with guacamole...but ends with...who knows what... So lets hope he doesn't post other photos... There are enough M-Rated posts in this forum...

Best

Simon
02-21-2008, 02:49 PM
I got some eye candy in the oven. Check back in 15 minutes.

C'mon Mr Halibut your 15 mins is up!

animotion
02-21-2008, 02:57 PM
If we keep this thread centered on intelligent and relevant conversation, "Like my posts" we can keep the thread from growing out of control. :)

Edit: Oh, I started the garbage didn't I.
Nevermind.

Hidden Halibut
02-21-2008, 03:04 PM
C'mon Mr Halibut your 15 mins is up!

Yeah I forgot to set saving options...
Another one in the oven :)

Cageman
02-21-2008, 03:06 PM
I wonder what the criteria is for who gets to beta 9.5 now? I see that some beta testers have it and others don't. Is it just a random selection from NewTek? Chuck?.

I know I suggested a couple of people from OB to join the real beta-team because of their honest, harsh but realistic complaints...and their never ending enthusiasm for finding bugs.. So far, it seems to me that NT made some very good choices!

RonGC
02-21-2008, 03:10 PM
Area lights and blurred reflections, faster rendering?

Fur looks good, radiosity much better, IES lights fantastic, like what i seeing NT.

Ron

animotion
02-21-2008, 03:13 PM
It sounds as if we may be getting better bone deformation performance. This will be a very welcomed enhancement to us here.

Good work :newtek:

Steamthrower
02-21-2008, 03:13 PM
What an idiot halibut. He's closed beta testing AND CAN'T SAVE HIS IMAGE?

What a moronic, imbecilic, pyschotic freak of a fish.

NT: I can save images! I'm qualified!

Hidden Halibut
02-21-2008, 03:15 PM
What a moronic, imbecilic, pyschotic freak of a fish.


Want to see it or not? :twak:

tyrot
02-21-2008, 03:15 PM
So far, it seems to me that NT made some very good choices!

Dear Cage

i don't know. If I see GI renders from Exception, Otacon or from Lewis. I would say .."yes..."

But as far as i can see Prospector is testing (or was testing) 9.5 fur and hair and the renders are not that much good.

Don't you think it would be a bit more wiser to give the Open Beta to those who can produce Eye-Candy right away then those who can write harsh-critics...

And is it a silence-bribe..."Take this beta and play with it..and be silent..."

We all can find bugs...we all can crash LW but only few of us really deliver industrial quality renders within very short amount of time..

And come on man, Do you Really REALLY i mean Really tell me that "the First Fur and Hair images "THE IMAGES" you want to see from 9.5 ultra cool Hair-Fur system...

Please...We all support NT but dont go that much Blind...

--inigo---good point...from those hair renders i could easily say "i am natural born qualified beta tester"

BEST

zapper1998
02-21-2008, 03:18 PM
What an idiot halibut. He's closed beta testing AND CAN'T SAVE HIS IMAGE?

What a moronic, imbecilic, pyschotic freak of a fish.

NT: I can save images! I'm qualified!



:lol: :lol:

:dito: :dito:


I wannna Play with the BETA


me 2

Darth Mole
02-21-2008, 03:19 PM
So far we've been treated to teensy snippets of information; the truth is that any self-respecting LW owner is desperate to know more about 9.5.

So come on, guys, undo the gag on your beta testers - let them show us what these amazing new toys can really do!!

What's the worst that can happen? Maybe you might sell another copy of LW.

Come on: unleash the beast.... show us 9.5 in all it's (not-quite-finished) glory!!

Elmar Moelzer
02-21-2008, 03:20 PM
People really, we want to see, we want to see... bahh, show us better, show us better... we want to play, we want to play...
gee, give NT a break folks.

Phil
02-21-2008, 03:22 PM
What an idiot halibut. He's closed beta testing AND CAN'T SAVE HIS IMAGE?

What a moronic, imbecilic, pyschotic freak of a fish.

NT: I can save images! I'm qualified!

Hey now. That's uncalled for. Be nice or say nothing at all.

Dirk
02-21-2008, 03:23 PM
People really, we want to see, we want to see... bahh, show us better, show us better... we want to play, we want to play...
gee, give NT a break folks.

:agree:

zapper1998
02-21-2008, 03:24 PM
Really

THEY SHOULD LET ALL THE BETA TESTERS TEST IT....

Thats all of us with 9.3

HELLO


We are being Discrimated Against.....

Lets Call the Union, This should go to a Strike Vote....

Oh Nuts we aint in a Union Here....

Lets Form a Union....

Na Just Kidden


..... weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :twak:

Andyjaggy
02-21-2008, 03:27 PM
I think Inigo was just joking.

Keep posting your pics everyone. We are grateful and we want more!

dwburman
02-21-2008, 03:27 PM
The renders posted here aren't supposed to be promo pieces to be used for marketing... They're just tests of certain aspects of a new feature. I'd like to see really amazing hair images as well, but I'm sure they're coming later. Prospector stated that he's been testing dynamics (not shading). I'm sure the nice, pretty pictures will start showing up in a few days or weeks.

This is a beta test phase (not the open beta phase), not a make pretty pictures phase.

:D

tyrot
02-21-2008, 03:30 PM
People really, we want to see, we want to see... bahh, show us better, show us better... we want to play, we want to play...
gee, give NT a break folks.


Dear Elmar

come on please...What is this ? selecting couple of people who cant even produce good render and put it into Forums as First 9.5 images...

Do you really think it is wise to select...users based on ... bug finding - and- complaining ratio..

someone must really explain the idea behind it..


BEst

Hidden Halibut
02-21-2008, 03:30 PM
I think Inigo was just joking.


So was I :)

You know, betatesting is not about making pretty pictures, it's about finding faults in easily reproducible circumstances... it's a thankless job any time of day, and you don't get pretty pictures from it...
WE only just got the go ahead to post pictures so none of us have anything really special, just synthetic tests...

I'm rendering something out for you right now but am fairly busy with 100 other things, so please be fair to prospector, he's doing a great dedicated job.

Cageman
02-21-2008, 03:33 PM
And come on man, Do you Really REALLY i mean Really tell me that "the First Fur and Hair images "THE IMAGES" you want to see from 9.5 ultra cool Hair-Fur system...

I agree with you about the hair... not looking convincing at the moment. The only good thing about the hair renders I've seen is that it seems to be working 100% with the renderer (reflection/refraction/transparency etc). I big plus in my book as in, A Good Start! Lets give the hair/fur some more time...

tyrot
02-21-2008, 03:35 PM
[QUOTE=dwburman]
This is a beta test phase (not the open beta phase), not a make pretty pictures phase.

dear DW

this is indeed beta test for TESTING other users patience and TORTURING them with ugly beta images...

Test results? we are all getting crazy......feeling like outcast....beta outcasters...

BEST

Andyjaggy
02-21-2008, 03:38 PM
So was I :)

You know, betatesting is not about making pretty pictures, it's about finding faults in easily reproducible circumstances... it's a thankless job any time of day, and you don't get pretty pictures from it...
WE only just got the go ahead to post pictures so none of us have anything really special, just synthetic tests...

I'm rendering something out for you right now but am fairly busy with 100 other things, so please be fair to prospector, he's doing a great dedicated job.

Oh sure make us all feel like you are the ones suffering. You jerks are sitting around playing with a nice new LW while we sit here forced to watch.

Sniffle. Sob.

Dirk
02-21-2008, 03:40 PM
How does the new hair work with lwsn? What's the memory usage? That's what I would like to know...

mav3rick
02-21-2008, 03:43 PM
what i agree with guys is that newtek need not just bug hunters but real artists that use tool to the limit to make theyr creations. to real passionists that do theyr best to show off..... personally i dont want to make myself proud but i have my criteria to show off my own stuff and i never go lover than my standards. i dont want to offense noone here but i feel betatesting is more than basic renders. if some1 look what luxology showoff when their betatesters do examples of features than u really want to preorder a copy of application before it is released.

Larry_g1s
02-21-2008, 03:45 PM
I don't understand why everyone doesn't just chill out. They just got it for crying out loud!:tsktsk:

Andyjaggy
02-21-2008, 03:46 PM
Cause we are all a bunch of whining little children who want to get our grubby little sticky fingers all over the shiny new toy.

Cageman
02-21-2008, 03:46 PM
Dear Elmar

come on please...What is this ? selecting couple of people who cant even produce good render and put it into Forums as First 9.5 images...

Do you really think it is wise to select...users based on ... bug finding - and- complaining ratio..

someone must really explain the idea behind it..


BEst

Dude... BETA-testing is ALL ABOUT finding bugs, and trust me, you don't find bugs if you spend your time making things look good rather than keep things simple and try all variations you can think up. Do you honestly think this thread is a marketing campaign? You must be kidding!? BETA

BETA

BETA

BETA

Got it!?

Iain
02-21-2008, 03:46 PM
Nobody is angry at the testers-just frustrated that the release information should really have been preceded by newly enabled eye candy.

That's what everyone else does.

Mere technical proof is a bit houdini.

archijam
02-21-2008, 03:48 PM
Ahhhh stop complaining :)

I think you have to submit around 3 bug reports per hour to qualify ... ;)

j.

mav3rick
02-21-2008, 03:50 PM
Dude... BETA-testing is ALL ABOUT finding bugs, and trust me, you don't find bugs if you spend your time making things look good rather than keep things simple and try all variations you can think up. Do you honestly think this thread is a marketing campaign? You must be kidding!? BETA

BETA

BETA

BETA

Got it!?


simple things can look good too..
eod

Larry_g1s
02-21-2008, 03:51 PM
Cause we are all a bunch of whining little children who want to get our grubby little sticky fingers all over the shiny new toy.I'm with you, I just don't understand why some are taking it out on the closed beta testers, like I said, they just got it.

Elmar Moelzer
02-21-2008, 03:52 PM
Dude I am very sure that there are lots of top artists on the LW beta. But not everyone is using hair all the time.
And most of them wisely do not do their day- job- work using BETAs (BETA= Bust -Explode- Terminate- Allyourhardwork.com).
However everyone is testing away really hard and that means you make test- scenes. Also you need testcases that are as simple as possible and still show a particular problem or bug. A supercomplex scene makes much, much harder for the developer to indentify what is causing the problem (sometimes also very hard to even see the problem in the first place).
CU
Elmar

Cageman
02-21-2008, 03:53 PM
what i agree with guys is that newtek need not just bug hunters but real artists that use tool to the limit to make theyr creations. to real passionists that do theyr best to show off..... personally i dont want to make myself proud but i have my criteria to show off my own stuff and i never go lover than my standards. i dont want to offense noone here but i feel betatesting is more than basic renders. if some1 look what luxology showoff when their betatesters do examples of features than u really want to preorder a copy of application before it is released.

My personal experience: That is what the OB is for. Before OB hits us, these people spend alot of time doing half assed stuff but in 100 different ways to see if something can be approached from all angles. I'm quite sure these guys can produce quality, but right now quantity is the best approach. BETA-testing is quite fun if you can limit yourself to do just that; beta-test. Imagine the bugs that would pop up if it weren't for these guys...

Chill out and take a deep breath! I'm sure we will see some good examples of all featuers; granted Lighting and rendering is the easiest stuff to show; shading and new features like hair and fur... that will take some time...

Chill and have fun! :)

COBRASoft
02-21-2008, 03:53 PM
Hey everybody,

Aren't we happy that at least we already know what to expect? So NT choose some people as their primary beta testers (read this as 'inside' beta testers). The open beta will come already in several weeks. I personally prefer to know what to expect some weeks in advance. As a developer myself, I also let some customers beta test my software. They are not the biggest customers, but small, really attached ones and who are cleaver enough to explain what went wrong, when it went wrong and why it is wrong. They are also capable to tell me how I can improve something with little impact. Maybe that's the criteria NT also used...

Of coarse I want to test it to, but now, people like iain, matt, ... will know much better what to do with it once they get their hands on it.

Greetings,
Sigurd

arsad
02-21-2008, 03:56 PM
is somebody testing the new GI cache?

tyrot
02-21-2008, 03:56 PM
Do you honestly think this thread is a marketing campaign? You must be kidding!?


dear Cage

i honestly think "NO" ...relaxed? thanks God.

But you have insisted i must give you MARKETING 101 lesson...

Everything you Release will be A marketing Campaign even YOU DONT want to...

Did you ever see -that kind of renders - from lets say Zbrush 3...beta?
Did you? no you didnt ...because just like me you were in shock...

and please stop defending a questionable decision. If there is something to defend i would defend before you.

If it is Beta, Just keep it as a secret...and some users can really do ugliest render possible with those ULTRA COOL features, that's fine. But if something comes out to sunlight...please please let it shine...

best

jasonwestmas
02-21-2008, 03:59 PM
With more power comes much tweaking and waiting several seconds for feedback ;) Or will viper actually work with nodal shaders, hair, fur, IES etc. When I look at it from that point of view. . .well. . . we need something that updates witin 5 seconds. Anyone think that will arrive soon, I didn't see that on the list of features?

Cageman
02-21-2008, 04:00 PM
I'm with you, I just don't understand why some are taking it out on the closed beta testers, like I said, they just got it.

They have probably had it for some time, but now they are allowed to share some of their findings. One can argue that they should have more beautiful stuff to show, but if they do their job right, they should only have half assed stuff that works whatever approach is used to get to a certain level. You can spend days on styling your hair, but if it doesn't work with a certain light or a light shining in a certain angle makes LW crash, what good were your efforts in styling the hair? You may start debugging the creation of hair instead of lights because you don't know what causes the crash.. and so on...

BETA testing is about limiting yourself, test all angles, proceed little more, test all angles again etc, etc, etc...

calilifestyle
02-21-2008, 04:00 PM
I'm happy about this news. all i been doing all day is reloading the page to see whats new. who has uploaded new images. thtas all i have been doing at work. so keep them coming.

prospector
02-21-2008, 04:01 PM
radiosity hair !
Little rough but when 9.5 released and many many more are working with this, there will be texturing solutions everywhere.
But LW CAN do it. :boogiedow
Which as mentioned before (carpets), opens all kind of possable uses

Cageman
02-21-2008, 04:02 PM
simple things can look good too..
eod

I think the sperical light tests look pretty good, don't you?

prospector
02-21-2008, 04:02 PM
BETA testing is about limiting yourself, test all angles, proceed little more, test all angles again etc, etc, etc...
well said

tyrot
02-21-2008, 04:03 PM
I think the sperical light tests look pretty good, don't you?

dear CAGE

JUST LOOK one post UP...and re-edit your post..

Best

mav3rick
02-21-2008, 04:03 PM
agreed.... whatever shows in public should be at least neat ... anyway we could spend all night talking about this.... when i am betatesting OPEN beta due my work i am betatesting while i work trying to do small projects with easy deadlines on beta software... during process i hunt for lot of bugs and at the end i have cool image and quiet of bugs behind me..

Hidden Halibut
02-21-2008, 04:03 PM
is somebody testing the new GI cache?

Yeah, I am right now...

You know we also have to figure out how everything works ourselves. You think there are manuals yet? No way...
I was rendering a fully GI-cache animation for you guys but I made some wrong settings, and it messed up (forgetting to set output options was a joke).

Some of this stuff is complex.
Anyway thanks for all the support.
There's a reason some of us are posting under different user names. We thought you would be happy seeing a glimpse.

As far as I know it, the open beta should be here soon, so you can all help.

jasonwestmas
02-21-2008, 04:03 PM
radiosity hair !
Little rough but when 9.5 released and many many mre working on this, there will be texturing solutions everywhere.
But LW CAN do it. :boogiedow
Which as mentioned before (carpets), opens all kind of possable uses

umm, where's the spec, shadow and light direction? All I see is flat color textures.

mav3rick
02-21-2008, 04:03 PM
I think the sperical light tests look pretty good, don't you?

agreed.

and IES examples from mr squirl looks good too

RonGC
02-21-2008, 04:05 PM
But if something comes out to sunlight...please please let it shine...



I would hope that goes triple for everyones comments posted.

I want to see what is coming in 9.5. These guys did not have to post pics and info they chose to, so try to keep it less personal, everyone.

Please keep the pics coming guys, you have me glued to the screen.

Ron

Lewis
02-21-2008, 04:06 PM
This is really crazy, when there was no INFO about 9.x people were complaining, whining, moaning.. now when there is many info people are complaining AGAIN ??? There is no win/win situation for NT :( ???

I wish that they NEVER again tell us what will be included in next version anymore since users are very ungratefull so it's bettert to keep secret untill is shiping?

Remember this is FREE upgrade and even if we get only Null PRO tool it's good since we don't need ot pay for it and it's better than last one :D :D.

cagey5
02-21-2008, 04:08 PM
I'm, just waiting for the latest fishy pic then I'm heading for bed. Thanks for the glimpses we've had so far. Really looking forward to getting stuck into the OB when it arrives.

arsad
02-21-2008, 04:08 PM
Yeah, I am right now...


thx for testing. Any idea when you can show something?
Do you render on a farm?

calilifestyle
02-21-2008, 04:08 PM
I have to ask what does Disk-Based GI Cache mean . i know Gi but disk based. is that good

prospector
02-21-2008, 04:09 PM
where's the spec, shadow and light direction?
there isn't a light in the scene and ambient is 0
nothing to throw specs.
Luminosity from illuminated poly
Just seeing if radiosity worked on fiberFX