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Rich Deustachio
02-19-2008, 09:20 AM
http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/19/technology/toshiba.ap/index.htm?postversion=2008021904

creativecontrol
02-19-2008, 08:48 PM
Thank God SOMEBODY won. Puts and end to this brainless format war.

OOZZEE
02-19-2008, 09:33 PM
good for Sony... but now they will cash in by keeping the discs high priced IMO

hrgiger
02-19-2008, 11:34 PM
Yeah, it's just too bad the other ones were better quality. Newtek should take a lesson in this, Sony just had better marketing tactics.

creativecontrol
02-20-2008, 07:18 AM
Yeah, it's just too bad the other ones were better quality. Newtek should take a lesson in this, Sony just had better marketing tactics.

How is that? Blu-ray has the higher bit rate, large capacity and better disk durability. They're not that different but Blu-ray did have the edge in quality I think.

Steamthrower
02-20-2008, 07:28 AM
Blu-ray's more expensive but also better In My Most Humble And Unedicated Opinion...

creativecontrol
02-20-2008, 07:33 AM
I think the price will certainly drop quickly, maybe even faster now that war is over. I do a lot of HD editing and compared the two fairly closely. I'm glad blu-ray won. It seemed HDDVD was just a little bit-starved and the compression was more noticable.

Red_Oddity
02-20-2008, 08:56 AM
So far i never noticed much differences, i often found that the video bit rate was equal, but BluRay offered uncompressed DTS (you have to fill up those 25 GB extra room with something).
Also, the whole menu authoring on HDDVD is alot more straight forward option wise.

And let's not forget, it's Sony, a company that has zero respect for their customers and uses pretty shady pricing schemes.

Signal to Noise
02-20-2008, 08:58 AM
Sony wins.

But the consumer loses.

creativecontrol
02-20-2008, 09:17 AM
pretty shady pricing schemes.

That's true.

creativecontrol
02-20-2008, 09:28 AM
Sony wins.

But the consumer loses.

I don't think so. The customer really loses with 2 formats. I think we'll see a major increase in HD systems now that people know what to pick. Either way would have been fine, just not both. On a $2000 home theatre, a $100 or $200 price difference on the player may not be significant.

The whole "I'm not buying until I see which one wins" may be over.

Signal to Noise
02-20-2008, 12:38 PM
I prefer a choices. At least there's still a choice b/w Standard and Blu-ray which means I will be sticking with standard def. In my book, Sony = form over function. I may still consider a Sony TV but everything else they 'make' I avoid like like the plague.

CreatvGnius
02-20-2008, 12:42 PM
good for Sony... but now they will cash in by keeping the discs high priced IMO

No *kiddin'*! Just like they'd done with their Memory Stick™ offerings over the years, keeping prices inflated, despite the decline in flash media pricing by other, apparently less greedy manufacturers in the media hardware & specialties industry.
-PeterG

ted
02-20-2008, 10:14 PM
This is a benefit as I see it. Now we don't have to burn multiple versions of each product for our clients. :thumbsup:
Now more people will invest in players and recorders. (I know several that were holding off). This will help bring down prices for the units and blank media over time.
This also helps companies develop thier products for a specific format which means we all get cooler products faster.
JMHO

The other good news is that I saw this coming and went with Blue Ray back in May.

Verlon
02-21-2008, 09:25 AM
How is that? Blu-ray has the higher bit rate, large capacity and better disk durability. They're not that different but Blu-ray did have the edge in quality I think.

HD DVD featured 1080p and lossless 7.1 sound which is the same as Blu-Ray. Blu-Ray had an edge in capacity and bit rate. HD DVD did have one very important advantage: The disks actually worked when you bought them.

I own both formats. I have a ~30-40 movies in each.

HD DVD user experience: Put the disk in and it plays. Now and again it says "There is an update. Mind if I go and get it?" Ethernet is part of the HD DVD spec (which is a finalized spec by the way...more on that in mere moments).

The Blu-Ray user experience: Turn on the player and wait for it to FINALLY boot (thing windows XP with lots of drives for boot times). Put in your shiny new BRD. Note that it crashes the system. Hope it didn't crash so hard you have to do a hard reset. Go to the manufacturer's website. Hope there is an update. Get the update. Burn to a DVD with a program like Nero. Update your BRD player (takes 10-25 minutes). Hope the update works the first time. If not, repeat and hope it works the second time. Watch movie.

This wasn't some second rate brand X BR player. It was a top of the line Sony. When the format 1.1 disks came out, there simply WASN'T an update. 3:10 to Yuma, Sunshine, Resident Evil: Extinction? They would not play on any Sony player out there.

And we are paying more for this than HD DVD?

Luckily, I was upgrading to an LG combo player at the time. No doubt in my mind, the worst format won.

VHS had more capacity than Beta, too.

CreatvGnius
02-21-2008, 11:13 AM
HD DVD user experience: Put the disk in and it plays. Now and again it says "There is an update. Mind if I go and get it?" Ethernet is part of the HD DVD spec (which is a finalized spec by the way...more on that in mere moments).

The Blu-Ray user experience: Turn on the player and wait for it to FINALLY boot (thing windows XP with lots of drives for boot times). Put in your shiny new BRD. Note that it crashes the system. Hope it didn't crash so hard you have to do a hard reset. Go to the manufacturer's website. Hope there is an update. Get the update. Burn to a DVD with a program like Nero. Update your BRD player (takes 10-25 minutes). Hope the update works the first time. If not, repeat and hope it works the second time. Watch movie...

...And we are paying more for this than HD DVD?
Wow. Thanks for that sobering revelation, borne out of your :bangwall: horrific Blu-Ray experience, Verlon.
-PeterG

Signal to Noise
02-21-2008, 12:27 PM
...When the format 1.1 disks came out, there simply WASN'T an update. ...Resident Evil: Extinction? They would not play on any Sony player out there. ....


I don't think any player should have to play that movie! ;)

Steamthrower
02-21-2008, 02:44 PM
Ach. That movie. If played. Would burn. The player. Up. And then some.

Red_Oddity
02-22-2008, 03:30 AM
ANyone seen the horrible way Pirates of the C. was tranfered to BD? The crops are so bad that they are releasing a new version.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11479996&posted=1
Wow, such a superior format (then again, when you have monkeys authoring your BD, expect to slip on banana peels)

Philbert
02-22-2008, 05:57 AM
I have Blu-ray in my PS3 and 3 movies for it, all of which played perfectly fine, nothing about any updates either. I have HD-DVD in my laptop, but only one movie for it (Stardust) and that played fine as well. At least I'll be sure to get some cheap movies for my laptop. I wonder if Gamestop will be filling up with used HDDVDs.

Verlon
02-22-2008, 07:43 AM
Phil, the updates DO come, and the PS3 is probably the most "update friendly" of all the blu-ray players since it does have a network connection and you do have an incentive to use it.

Just be prepared if you buy a movie the day it comes out, that it might not play. And, sony is the company that put such draconian copy protection onto their movies that even their players could not play it (google something like "Sony copy protection casino royale" and you should land a few hits).

Or compare a copy of 300 in BR (that costs ~$5 more) to the HD version. Same picture...same sound... but not as many features or as nice a menu system.

Yes, I think it is better that there is ONE format. I just wish it was the other one.

loki74
02-22-2008, 01:13 PM
The Blu-Ray user experience: Turn on the player and wait for it to FINALLY boot (thing windows XP with lots of drives for boot times). Put in your shiny new BRD. Note that it crashes the system. Hope it didn't crash so hard you have to do a hard reset. Go to the manufacturer's website. Hope there is an update. Get the update. Burn to a DVD with a program like Nero. Update your BRD player (takes 10-25 minutes). Hope the update works the first time. If not, repeat and hope it works the second time. Watch movie.

This wasn't some second rate brand X BR player. It was a top of the line Sony. When the format 1.1 disks came out, there simply WASN'T an update. 3:10 to Yuma, Sunshine, Resident Evil: Extinction? They would not play on any Sony player out there.

Well, that really sucks...


But, idk, my folks got a PS3 for the purpose of playing Blu-Rays. They've got a handful of movies now, and from what I understand, they all play well. Since they're back in Vegas, I've not been able to verify that ALL of them work, but over Summer/Thanksgiving/Christmas breaks I did watch Ghost Rider, Superman, and the latest 007 with it. Looked great, had no problems.

zapper1998
02-22-2008, 03:55 PM
good for Sony... but now they will cash in by keeping the discs high priced IMO



:agree:
:dito:

Yep I think They are WAY over Priced...
when it cost the $1.45 to make em...

In town we have a company that produces the DVD's..
They also make the DVD's also..in the back half of the compex they are in..
And I have a friend that works there, so why do they cost so much....
GREED... its all GREED......

Sarford
02-22-2008, 04:09 PM
GREED... its all GREED......


Absolutely agree. That was the whole idea in the first place to upgrade to a marginal better system then DVD, to have firmer control on prices. That's also the idea behind the DMR.

zapper1998
02-22-2008, 04:38 PM
Absolutely agree. That was the whole idea in the first place to upgrade to a marginal better system then DVD, to have firmer control on prices. That's also the idea behind the DMR.

DMR???

Sarford
02-22-2008, 04:51 PM
ahem... DRM :p

Verlon
02-22-2008, 05:00 PM
I understand the need for DRM in today's environment. Truthfully, High Def dvds aren't priced horribly bad when you consoder what DVD went for when they were new (and adjust for inflation).

Certainly the bulk of the cost isn't the little plastic disk. I do think BR is a little up there, and I worry about them going back to that $39.99 point without HD DVD to keep them honest. I can only hope that this is not the case.

Jason Hurdlow
02-26-2008, 10:48 PM
Wow, you know I was getting sick of all the PS3 fan-boys on the "other" forums saying how BR was better and dancing all over HD-DVDs grave. It's very refreshing to see that most of the LW crowd actually understands that the better format for the consumer (and producers like us) actually lost. The extra capacity of BR will be nice for data storage, but other than that it's a very sad end to the "war". As was said above, it's good to have one format, but in this case we the consumer got stuck with the worst of the two choices.

loki74
02-28-2008, 12:08 AM
Wow, you know I was getting sick of all the PS3 fan-boys on the "other" forums saying how BR was better and dancing all over HD-DVDs grave. It's very refreshing to see that most of the LW crowd actually understands that the better format for the consumer (and producers like us) actually lost. The extra capacity of BR will be nice for data storage, but other than that it's a very sad end to the "war". As was said above, it's good to have one format, but in this case we the consumer got stuck with the worst of the two choices.


Whoa, whoa--I prefer BluRay! Don't generalize here! And please, let's not condescend... "actually understands that the better format lost?" It's still very much a matter opinion, I think, and just because someone happens to disagree with you, does not mean that they lack any "understanding."

Verlon
02-28-2008, 05:22 AM
Whoa, whoa--I prefer BluRay! Don't generalize here! And please, let's not condescend... "actually understands that the better format lost?" It's still very much a matter opinion, I think, and just because someone happens to disagree with you, does not mean that they lack any "understanding."


and notice Loki74 has 666 posts :devil:

Seriously, I acknowledge that BR has an edge in capacity (and with 3-layers HD disks, it is only an edge, not an overwhelming defeat). Do you own both formats? And if you do, can you honestly tell me your experience as far as putting a movie in the player (and having it actually work) is better on BR?

Once the movie is playing, the quality is the same, except for the HD movies having more features (see "The 300" disks). From player 'boot times' to compatibility of disks to sharing bookmarks, I have had a MUCH better experience with HD DVD. For 5GB, or even 20GB, of space that I am not even using, I'll take the fewer headaches.